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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/8/2013 5:24:23 PM

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I just can't....

Sure you can! I know my math skills seriously suck, but my logic is usually pretty sound.

I'm fairly confident that even on its best day, Collarme could never be considered a homogeneous data source. Random sampling techniques on an unverifiable data source can't be trusted. Using a math equation, based off inconsistent variables and unverifiable data, in an attempt to justify a bias seems illogical to me.

Irrelevant since he made up his data. But impressive anyway, to hear from someone who understands stats and data.

This is true, I'll give ya that.

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/8/2013 5:48:38 PM

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When you call into question the legitimacy of someone else's kink, OP...you also open the door to questioning the legitimacy of your own kink. What makes yours legitimate and someone else's less than? There...that's my question.

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/8/2013 11:50:50 PM

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So a fetish or desire is less legitimate if it is not equitably reciprocated?

Not necessarily... but I think the important question is "what is *legitimate*". By this, I don't mean there are some fetishes that are more or less legitimate, as fetish. (Some are more or less practical, but that is a separate question!) In all my profile browsing or encounters, I think I only ever encountered one guy who had a castrating fetish; I also read one profile once of a guy who was proudly castrated. Extremely minority fetish, but interesting it scores 1 on my scale!

Of course my point was that a lot (probably most) of those women asking for "tribute" and/or claiming to be into "FinDom" are just opportunistic fakes -- I'm sure it is a fetish for *some*, just not in any way realistically represented numerically in profiles.

It raises other questions about some asymmetric interests... I once did an reasonably rigorous examination on alt.com of "man seeks 2 women" and "2 women seek man" (they provide detailed search pages with counts by category of profile this way) -- in Colorado, out of several 10s of thousands of male profiles there were a couple thousand M2W -- kind of accords with my experience of straight porn for men that so frequently features the "lipstick lesbian" sequence of 2 girls making out. But I remember there were I think 12 profiles of 2W-M. Twelve. Out of several thousand woman profiles. Enough to look at individually. And several of those were of butch lesbian couples looking for a male to be their bitch boy slave. I kinda doubt that is what those several thousand dudes were looking for. So I don't know, you all tell me... how "legitimate" is that seemingly widespread kink fantasy of many straight males? I don't doubt it is something that excites and motivates them -- but how connected to reality is it in terms of how many women are actually interested in putting on a girl-on-girl makeout session to turn on a guy? Some of these disparities are fascinating!

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 12:04:11 AM

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In all my profile browsing or encounters, I think I only ever encountered one guy who had a castrating fetish;

I put in castration as a search and found 9 profiles indicating an interest in castration on the first page.

Oddly enough, when I plugged in financial, I found just as many subs and slaves looking for financial domination.

And 7 male Dom profiles show up under "financial"

Mind you, those are just those profiles that are visible and that I havent hidden yet.

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 12:15:00 AM

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Of course my point was that a lot (probably most) of those women asking for "tribute" and/or claiming to be into "FinDom" are just opportunistic fakes --

So, are most of the men who offer "training" to novice female submissives. It doesn't mean that some people aren't genuinely offering some sort of training.

I'll agree there are many opportunistic people out in the world, but it doesn't mean that I get to decide if someone else's kink is legitimate or not.

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 1:08:14 AM

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Of course my point was that a lot (probably most) of those women asking for "tribute" and/or claiming to be into "FinDom" are just opportunistic fakes --
So, are most of the men who offer "training" to novice female submissives. It doesn't mean that some people aren't genuinely offering some sort of training.

I'll agree there are many opportunistic people out in the world, but it doesn't mean that I get to decide if someone else's kink is legitimate or not.

Great post OsideGirl. Maybe we should just let the BDSM folks who want to go ahead and make up some august council to decide these things? Then all the rst of us could make up a new acronym and continue on our merry way. How about something like TNFR (theres no fucking rules)?

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 1:19:49 AM

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You're defining legitimacy by how popular a fetish is among submissives.

This is your first rodeo isn't it.

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 8:32:44 AM

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Just because something is rare, doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate desire. If we put panty sniffing in here, it would come up almost no dommes would be interested yet lots of male subs would be. Does that mean we should tar and feather any guy who is interested in this?

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 8:39:50 AM

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Not necessarily... but I think the important question is "what is *legitimate*". By this, I don't mean there are some fetishes that are more or less legitimate, <snip>

Of course my point was that a lot (probably most) of those women asking for "tribute" and/or claiming to be into "FinDom" are just opportunistic fakes -- I'm sure it is a fetish for *some*, just not in any way realistically represented numerically in profiles.<snip>

so you don't mean that some fetishes are more or less legitimate but most of the ones who do X are fake and are not in any way realistically represented numerically in profiles. (we will just ignore the fact that the numbers in your OP were made up and not realistic in any way)

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 9:12:48 AM

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I just think you are taking swipes at a fetish that you don't agree with, but are trying to cloak it in some statistical bullshit in your attempt to give it an air of "legitimacy," OP.

So lets just cut the bullshit and call it what it really is.

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 10:32:38 AM

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Just because something is rare, doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate desire.

Of course not. That'd be silly!

What makes something an illegitimate desire is when someone else disapproves obviously :)

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 10:36:11 AM

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Of course my point was that a lot (probably most) of those women asking for "tribute" and/or claiming to be into "FinDom" are just opportunistic fakes --
So, are most of the men who offer "training" to novice female submissives. It doesn't mean that some people aren't genuinely offering some sort of training.

I'll agree there are many opportunistic people out in the world, but it doesn't mean that I get to decide if someone else's kink is legitimate or not.

Great post OsideGirl. Maybe we should just let the BDSM folks who want to go ahead and make up some august council to decide these things? Then all the rst of us could make up a new acronym and continue on our merry way. How about something like TNFR (theres no fucking rules)?

Perfect!

I mean really, if two people happily engage in something that I think is the dumbest thing on earth...what I think of it doesn't matter.

If someone gets taken in by a shyster, then they dust themselves off, acknowledge that they clearly weren't very thorough learning about that person, learn something and move on.

I'll happily give my opinion when asked, but it is not my job to protect people from themselves.

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RE: "Legitimacy Ratio (LR)" esp. so-called Fi... - 6/9/2013 10:47:06 AM

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... So I don't know, you all tell me... how "legitimate" is that seemingly widespread kink fantasy of many straight males? I don't doubt it is something that excites and motivates them -- but how connected to reality is it in terms of how many women are actually interested in putting on a girl-on-girl makeout session to turn on a guy? Some of these disparities are fascinating!

As legitimate as the fetish of a gay man wanting to indulge in take-down scenarios with straight dominant males not having been in prision; I guess.

Your attempt to illegitimize one kink while indulging in your own kink seems disingenuous and illogical to me.

You are as allowed your bias as anyone, but your theory and the fallible logic you use to come by your "Legitimacy Ratio" is amusing.

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