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What is your truth?

Truth is subjective/relative.

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Truth is absolute.

52% (25)

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 4:32:23 AM

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Or 1 + 1 = 3 (or more) depending on how often they decide to "add"

And if that is the kind of equation that is being used, most of us know deep down the absolute truth. That kind of math doesn't add up.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 4:36:10 AM

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No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

Are you stating that as fact, or is it just your point of view?

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 4:57:12 AM

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Or 1 + 1 = 3 (or more) depending on how often they decide to "add"

And if that is the kind of equation that is being used, most of us know deep down the absolute truth. That kind of math doesn't add up.

They are all symbolic equations, and they all add up fine in their respective contexts.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 4:58:46 AM

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Or 1 + 1 = 3 (or more) depending on how often they decide to "add"

And if that is the kind of equation that is being used, most of us know deep down the absolute truth. That kind of math doesn't add up.

It adds up just fine if you realize 1 to be a man, 1 to be a woman.....

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 5:33:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Or 1 + 1 = 3 (or more) depending on how often they decide to "add"

And if that is the kind of equation that is being used, most of us know deep down the absolute truth. That kind of math doesn't add up.

They are all symbolic equations, and they all add up fine in their respective contexts.

K.

Yes I understand the symbolism. I was just having a bit of fun with this. Life is puzzling, and we receive little clues along the way, or what we can perceive as clues. 1+1 actually does equate to 2. But 1+1 doesn't not actually equal 3, or 4, or 5, etc. So if one was to take that as a clue and apply it to what is actual right or true, then 2 is the answer.
The truth is one could say 2+2=4, or or 2+6=8, and it really wouldn't make any sense in this discussion. The fact is the equation 1+1 was what brought on the thought provoking process, in this place and time, as to what the real answer is. What the real clue could be.

Hahaha I think my head just exploded.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 6:15:39 AM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth, then clearly, to recognise this Truth, a human being would have to be capable of objectivity.

No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

I am, as that is one of the characteristics of a supergenius.

ETA: Well, on the other hand it may be argued that I am not a human being...

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 6:19:50 AM

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For example, that 1 + 1 = 2 is a fact not a truth.

Actually it is an axiom.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 8:41:57 AM

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kdsub said "No but you don't even know IF it is round or even has another dimension...but that is besides the point. What is important is at that time there was no other truth except the human perspective at that particular time. My whole point is not if this is true or that but that truth cannot be separated from mankind in the way you propose."

I think I get what you are saying here. Which is essentially that a truth based on ignorance is still the truth for the people of that time. Which is why I try to avoid the word "truth" and stick with facts and opinions. The fact is that we now have the scientific knowledge to know the Earth is round. To deny that fact because you prefer your opinion over the fact is inappropriate.

When one puts their opinion as a higher source than a fact, they are deceiving themselves.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 12:41:35 PM

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Except it is not necessarily ignorance...well yes but not I think in the way you are meaning it. Logical minds using the best observations of the day may absolutely believe they have found a truth. And this particular truth may stand the test of time for hundreds of years... Then new technology and testing methods may prove the truth wrong but in a way that was not possible when it was first proposed.

That is one example. Another may be a social change over time that changes a truth or eliminates it all together. Imagine asking this question 150 years ago anywhere in your or our nation "Is it true that marriage is only between a man and a woman" Well at that time it was true and not bigotry or ignorance... there was no concept of same sex marriage then. Of course it would not be true today. So the truth changes... and always will as long as Mr. Spock does not live among us.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 1:33:20 PM

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Some truths are more true than others and others are just plain false. Using the method of the less false equals more truth then you will have things more true than others. Those things that are more true, are closer to the truth/fact. We could go into a long discussion of quantum physics and show that everything is actually perception. It will get no where.

Dig deeper, do extensive research and then decide for yourself. Saying that everyone determines their own truth is a lazy statement. Instead, everyone earns by action (or inaction) their own truth may be closer to the truth ;)

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 10:32:32 PM

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Or 1 + 1 = 3 (or more) depending on how often they decide to "add"

Or if they are <really> in love, 1 + 1 = Infinity.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/3/2013 10:36:07 PM

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1+1= .25 of what the husband had when he was single after the wife decides to run off with some coworker of hers and files divorce.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 12:41:28 AM

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You both must have had a mad professor instead of a math professor.
The assets didnt get lost in oblivion they just got transfered to the coworker and cheating wife wich makes it again 2 people.
One love added by another love might entail infinite happiness. Still you need two persons for it.
Same as the 2 people getting a baby need 1 sperm + 1egg = 2 not 3

The only thing I am getting here some people do not want to admit the laws of nature are set values within every variable.
You talk of peace as if it is attained by everybody entitled to live their own lie.
Wich devalues reality into an illusion and the world will always be at war for it.
How sad.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 10:11:49 AM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth, then clearly, to recognise this Truth, a human being would have to be capable of objectivity.

No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

And you make this assertion about human inabilities to be objective out of your inability to be objective? Do you see the contradiction here?

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 10:20:28 AM

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I'll leave the math to others. Never one of my best subjects!

It is fashionable to believe it is right and proper for everyone to believe their own perception of facts. In my (Oh So) humble opinion, this is madness. It is an illusion. Unfortunately a good deal of the time, the illusion is not perceived as preposterous as it actually is.

Here are some facts that are, I believe, immutable.

One can jump off the top of a ten story building, without any artificial or mechanical aid, and fly. Fact - you are going to go splat!

One can stand in front of an oncoming train and by shear power of your will, stop that train before it hits you. Fact - What's left of you after you fail will not be pretty.

Too literal?
Okay. The American War on Drugs can be won. We already tried this with the war on alcohol during Prohibition. Fact - we lost. The War on Drugs is a variant of the war on alcohol, and this current war will fail as completely as that one did.

Beliefs are beliefs. Facts are facts. Both have a useful function in modern society. Pretending beliefs are facts has no useful function; quite the opposite, this pretense destroys our ability to function constructively as a society.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 10:33:04 AM

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Beliefs are beliefs. Facts are facts. Both have a useful function in modern society. Pretending beliefs are facts has no useful function; quite the opposite, this pretense destroys our ability to function constructively as a society.

While accepting the distinction between beliefs and reality, between subjective and objective truth, I cannot arrive at your conclusion of detriment to constructive social functioning. People do not pretend their beliefs are facts. The KNOW they have THE truth. On this basis they form mutually self-affirming interest groups. These interest groups, belief tribes, compete with each other. Sometimes compromise emerges from the competition; more often not. So, the history of American society is an ongoing civil war. That is just the way it works. It is delusionary to expect harmony in a populace of 330 million people with different interests. The free market of ideas and political action does not work out of harmony, but discord.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 1:15:56 PM

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People do not pretend their beliefs are facts. The KNOW they have THE truth. On this basis they form mutually self-affirming interest groups. These interest groups, belief tribes, compete with each other. Sometimes compromise emerges from the competition; more often not.

That's a very broad brush. Not everybody imagines that they have the final truth. There are many people who watch with a mixture of amusement and despair as pestilent ideologues do their best to tear apart the fabric of society .

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 2:02:07 PM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth, then clearly, to recognise this Truth, a human being would have to be capable of objectivity.

No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

And you make this assertion about human inabilities to be objective out of your inability to be objective? Do you see the contradiction here?

I don't think there's a contradiction. Tweakabelle's statement 'No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything' was pretty clearly an objective statement. No hint of 'my view is that . . .' in there whatsoever.

Er . . . .

I have a headache. :-(

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 2:35:03 PM

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Truth exists as an absolute. Our knowledge of the truth, however, is a series of close approximations based on observation and reproducible result. The observation, regulation of stimuli, and the approximation itself may each be flawed. Therefore, though there is an absolute truth in every imaginable circumstance; we have inherently flawed means of recognizing it, and no absolute means of determining if we are correct. I believe the current system is about as close as it gets though. If the sun came up every other day of my life....it may not be certain, but I'm still confident that it will light up my world tomorrow.

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RE: What is your truth? - 7/4/2013 8:44:29 PM

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If here is such a thing as objective Truth, then clearly, to recognise this Truth, a human being would have to be capable of objectivity.

No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything.

And you make this assertion about human inabilities to be objective out of your inability to be objective? Do you see the contradiction here?

I don't think there's a contradiction. Tweakabelle's statement 'No human being is capable of being truly objective about anything' was pretty clearly an objective statement. No hint of 'my view is that . . .' in there whatsoever.

Er . . . .

I have a headache. :-(

When your headache clears, perhaps you could be kind enough to point how any human being might achieve the status of "objective" about anything.

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