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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 4:10:57 PM

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Yup, and one Lt. James Baughman of the 56th Pennsylvania was there, damn (expletive deleted) Yankee great great grandfather.

Maybe that is why I do not get along with my mom's family all that well.

You mean they still hold a grudge over the War of Northern Aggression?

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 5:12:44 PM

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Yup, and one Lt. James Baughman of the 56th Pennsylvania was there, damn (expletive deleted) Yankee great great grandfather.

Maybe that is why I do not get along with my mom's family all that well.

You mean they still hold a grudge over the War of Northern Aggression?

You see, my father is from Madison County NC, aka Bloody Madison. Only one of my ancestors on father's side fought for the south, and that was a Cherokee that lost family on the trail of tears, thankfully he had kids before he left for the war, because in 1864 he was captured and executed by the Union. He had a nasty habit of giving union dead haircuts, and mutilating the bodies.

The rest of my father's family did not fight for either side, since they lived in the mountains and a) did not own slaves, and B) were too busy trying to make a living on farms that had upwards of 12% slope.

As for me, I was born in the south, raised in the south, with the exception of 3 years spent in Germany, and owe my allegiance to Texas, the South, the United States.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 5:27:19 PM

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You mean they still hold a grudge over the War of Northern Aggression?

Or the War of Northern Stupidity, as I tend to call it.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 6:03:56 PM

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Yup, and one Lt. James Baughman of the 56th Pennsylvania was there, damn (expletive deleted) Yankee great great grandfather.

Maybe that is why I do not get along with my mom's family all that well.

You mean they still hold a grudge over the War of Northern Aggression?

You see, my father is from Madison County NC, aka Bloody Madison. Only one of my ancestors on father's side fought for the south, and that was a Cherokee that lost family on the trail of tears, thankfully he had kids before he left for the war, because in 1864 he was captured and executed by the Union. He had a nasty habit of giving union dead haircuts, and mutilating the bodies.

The rest of my father's family did not fight for either side, since they lived in the mountains and a) did not own slaves, and B) were too busy trying to make a living on farms that had upwards of 12% slope.

As for me, I was born in the south, raised in the south, with the exception of 3 years spent in Germany, and owe my allegiance to Texas, the South, the United States.

My family was all over, some were still in Germany some were Yankees though I don't know if they fought and the others were plains Indians so either neutral or with the South.
I grew up in Mo which as you know was a pacifist haven and a rock solid Yankee state.
Was your grandfather at Ft. Pillow?
Not surprised he was executed upon capture, didn't know they did that but I was aware that when they caught blacks fighting for the south they executed them.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 6:40:52 PM

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Yup, and one Lt. James Baughman of the 56th Pennsylvania was there, damn (expletive deleted) Yankee great great grandfather.

Maybe that is why I do not get along with my mom's family all that well.

You mean they still hold a grudge over the War of Northern Aggression?

You see, my father is from Madison County NC, aka Bloody Madison. Only one of my ancestors on father's side fought for the south, and that was a Cherokee that lost family on the trail of tears, thankfully he had kids before he left for the war, because in 1864 he was captured and executed by the Union. He had a nasty habit of giving union dead haircuts, and mutilating the bodies.

The rest of my father's family did not fight for either side, since they lived in the mountains and a) did not own slaves, and B) were too busy trying to make a living on farms that had upwards of 12% slope.

As for me, I was born in the south, raised in the south, with the exception of 3 years spent in Germany, and owe my allegiance to Texas, the South, the United States.

My family was all over, some were still in Germany some were Yankees though I don't know if they fought and the others were plains Indians so either neutral or with the South.
I grew up in Mo which as you know was a pacifist haven and a rock solid Yankee state.
Was your grandfather at Ft. Pillow?
Not surprised he was executed upon capture, didn't know they did that but I was aware that when they caught blacks fighting for the south they executed them.

My grandfather was captured in Virginia, while trying to desecrate the bodies of some union soldiers. He left Cherokee NC, went to Richmond VA and joined there. It was the south that executed black union soldiers.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 7:15:28 PM

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Funny, my brother took his wife and kids to visit Gettysburg two years ago and said he was walking around there at dusk and got a "very eerie feeling."

I thought about going along on one of those "ghosts at Gettysburg" tours, but I decided to check around for myself around dusk. I didn't see any ghosts, although some people say that they're out there.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 8:00:08 PM

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Funny, my brother took his wife and kids to visit Gettysburg two years ago and said he was walking around there at dusk and got a "very eerie feeling."
And, President Lincoln's Gettysburg address is widely considered to be the most eloquent speech by any president ever.

I have been to Gettysburg three times and have had similar feelings. It's one of the reasons I believe in empathic ability.

The first two times, I had no inkling of what might have been going on but I felt the pain, confusion, hopelessness, and sadness and will never forget it.

It's an awe-inspiring place and when you get really familiar with the terrain and the accounts of the battle, you really can almost put yourself there. I can't go, anymore. It tears me up, inside. Hell, there's a small cemetary near Washington Crossing Park (on the Jersey side) that used to have the same affect on me (and don't get me started on the times I've been to the Tomb Of the Unknowns at Arlington).

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 8:11:00 PM

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It was the south that executed black union soldiers.

That is well known but it was also standard practice for the north to execute black confederates.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 8:51:48 PM

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That is well known but it was also standard practice for the north to execute black confederates.

Did they execute whites as well?

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 8:57:43 PM

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Yup, and one Lt. James Baughman of the 56th Pennsylvania was there, damn (expletive deleted) Yankee great great grandfather.

Maybe that is why I do not get along with my mom's family all that well.

I was hoping to make it to Gettysburg this year but just couldn't do it. I had a great, great, grandfather on the Confederate side, Pvt. Charles Ledbetter (26th North Carolina), who was wounded in Pickett's Charge.

A lot of historians speculate on whether or not the Confederates could have won the war but I don't think they ever had a real chance. The ability of the Union to gather and supply troops was way beyond the capacity of the South to ever match. A well known writer, Shelby Foote, went as far to say that the Union fought the war with "one hand tied behind it's back."

Just in case anyone is interested, there is a PBS documentary on the Civil War produced by Ken Burns that is really good and well worth watching if you can find it.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 9:07:44 PM

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I got the pbs series.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 9:31:53 PM

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How ironic that the descendant of the Yankee lives in Texas and the descendant of the Rebel lives in Michigan.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 9:34:34 PM

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That is well known but it was also standard practice for the north to execute black confederates.

Did they execute whites as well?

No the sent them to a prison in Chicago that was as bad as Andersonville

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 9:36:59 PM

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Considering how my mom (born in PA) and my father (born in NC) got along, I grew up in the home game of The Civil War.

And I lived up to my rebel roots, I got a delayed enlistment into the army after turning down an appointment to the Air Force Academy (Father was career Air Force) left for basic the morning after I graduated, and my father has not talked to me in 32 years. Actually he disowned me.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 9:39:05 PM

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Yup, and one Lt. James Baughman of the 56th Pennsylvania was there, damn (expletive deleted) Yankee great great grandfather.

Maybe that is why I do not get along with my mom's family all that well.

I was hoping to make it to Gettysburg this year but just couldn't do it. I had a great, great, grandfather on the Confederate side, Pvt. Charles Ledbetter (26th North Carolina), who was wounded in Pickett's Charge.

A lot of historians speculate on whether or not the Confederates could have won the war but I don't think they ever had a real chance. The ability of the Union to gather and supply troops was way beyond the capacity of the South to ever match. A well known writer, Shelby Foote, went as far to say that the Union fought the war with "one hand tied behind it's back."

Just in case anyone is interested, there is a PBS documentary on the Civil War produced by Ken Burns that is really good and well worth watching if you can find it.

The only chance the south had was if
A the north just decided it wasn't worth it
or
B they could get France and/or England to come in on their side.

unfortunately for the south Egypt became a major supplier of cotton about this time.

Don't forget, even after Gettysburg McClellan almost beat Lincoln running on a peace ticket.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 10:14:45 PM

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Considering how my mom (born in PA) and my father (born in NC) got along, I grew up in the home game of The Civil War.

LOL!

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...my father has not talked to me in 32 years. Actually he disowned me.

That's really unfortunate but honestly, I can hardly be surprised. The relatives I have in the South are still kinda weird about having us come visit too. I think they consider us traitors. Southerners are just strange about that war.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 10:16:02 PM

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That is well known but it was also standard practice for the north to execute black confederates.

Did they execute whites as well?

No the sent them to a prison in Chicago that was as bad as Andersonville

So does the bitterness and three misrepresentations/lies mean the south still isn`t over it?

Maybe possibly perhaps in the next 150 years?

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 10:24:14 PM

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Considering how my mom (born in PA) and my father (born in NC) got along, I grew up in the home game of The Civil War.

LOL!

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...my father has not talked to me in 32 years. Actually he disowned me.

That's really unfortunate but honestly, I can hardly be surprised. The relatives I have in the South are still kinda weird about having us come visit too. I think they consider us traitors. Southerners are just strange about that war.

My dad disowned me because I joined the army, his plan was for me to go to the Air Force Academy, make a career out of the air force. Problem, I wore glasses, so if I did become a pilot, it would be trash haulers or bombers.

I went army, airborne, rangers. Pissed him the fuck off.

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 10:24:36 PM

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Considering how my mom (born in PA) and my father (born in NC) got along, I grew up in the home game of The Civil War.

LOL!

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...my father has not talked to me in 32 years. Actually he disowned me.

That's really unfortunate but honestly, I can hardly be surprised. The relatives I have in the South are still kinda weird about having us come visit too. I think they consider us traitors. Southerners are just strange about that war.

The bitterness and hard feelings are taught like a religion in many parts.....the only parallel I can think of is how the Palestinians teach their children to hate Jews.

It`s gets dyed in the wool after a few generations......

And what has it gotten either of them?

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RE: 150 Years Ago This Week - 7/3/2013 10:28:00 PM

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So does the bitterness and three misrepresentations/lies mean the south still isn`t over it?

Maybe possibly perhaps in the next 150 years?

You need to learn the difference between bitterness and knowledge.

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