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BamaD -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:30:54 PM)
My dad disowned me because I joined the army, his plan was for me to go to the Air Force Academy, make a career out of the air force. Problem, I wore glasses, so if I did become a pilot, it would be trash haulers or bombers. I went army, airborne, rangers. Pissed him the fuck off. Thought it sounded like inter service problem. Still unfortunate having a son in the rangers should be a source of pride for anyone.

jlf1961 -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:34:17 PM)
The family tradition dating back to the other side of the pond was for the men in the family to enlist, be ground troops of course, and after fathering a couple of kids, get maimed or killed in action. My generation of both sides of the family that went military broke with that tradition and did not get horribly maimed or killed.

BamaD -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:35:18 PM)
The bitterness and hard feelings are taught like a religion in many parts..... Like northerners who dismiss anything a southerner says because it must be out of bitterness over the war and you all know for a fact that every one of us is a dyed in the wool racist

DaddySatyr -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:36:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Still unfortunate having a son in the rangers should be a source of pride for anyone. Huah, troop!

BamaD -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:37:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 The family tradition dating back to the other side of the pond was for the men in the family to enlist, be ground troops of course, and after fathering a couple of kids, get maimed or killed in action. My generation of both sides of the family that went military broke with that tradition and did not get horribly maimed or killed. Good for your generation. George C Scott in Patton "it's not your duty to die for your country but to let some other poor bastard die for his"

jlf1961 -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:39:36 PM)
I am not racist, I hate everyone regardless of skin color, unless they are ex army, loves pit bulls, and understands that in the sixties and up to the mid 70's, MOPAR was god's gift to gear heads, which was taken over by the anti christ.... I mean a freaking Dodge Charger with 4 doors? What spawn of Satan came up with that idea?

BamaD -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:43:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I am not racist, I hate everyone regardless of skin color, unless they are ex army, loves pit bulls, and understands that in the sixties and up to the mid 70's, MOPAR was god's gift to gear heads, which was taken over by the anti christ.... I mean a freaking Dodge Charger with 4 doors? What spawn of Satan came up with that idea? No doubt related to the man who did the same thing to the T-bird then screwed up Vietnam. I would have to exempt ex-military regardless of branch.

RottenJohnny -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 10:51:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 My dad disowned me because I joined the army, his plan was for me to go to the Air Force Academy, make a career out of the air force. Problem, I wore glasses, so if I did become a pilot, it would be trash haulers or bombers. I went army, airborne, rangers. Pissed him the fuck off. Gotchya. I misunderstood. Interesting though. When I was younger I wanted to join the Air Force but I never did. My father had served in the army at the end of the Korean War and didn't want his kids in the military at all. He made sure we went to college instead. But while I have the chance, I'd at least like to thank you for your service.

Edwynn -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 11:18:24 PM)
~FR~ A child's account of the battle of Atlanta: http://americancivilwar.com/women/carrie_berry.html Aug. 3. Wednesday. this was my birthday. I was ten years old, But I did not have a cake times were too hard so I celebrated with ironing. I hope my next birthday we will have peace in our land so that I can have a nice dinner. Aug. 15. Mon. We had no shells this morning when we got up and we thought that we would not have any to day (but, my, when will they stop) but soon after breakfast Zuie [Carrie's baby sister] and I were standing on the platform between the house and the dining room. It made a very large hole in the garden and threw the dirt all over the yard. I never was so frightened in my life. Zuie was as pale as a corpse and I expect I was too. It did not take us long to fly to the cellar. We stayed out till night though we had them all day but they did not come so near us again. Aug. 16. Tues. We had shells all night. There was a large piece came through Mama's room directly after we went to bed and fell on the little bed and I expect if we had been sleeping there some of us would have ben hurt. Cousin Henry and Cousin Eddy came to see us to day. They told us that they did not think the Federals would be here much longer to torment us and I hope that it may be so for we are getting very tired of living so. Aug 24. Wed. We have ben frightened twice to day by fire. I have ben wanting to go home all day to get some grapes but it has ben too dangerous. Aug. 25. Thurs. Mama woke me up irly this morning and told me there were no shells falling and told me I must run over and see what had become of Aunt Healy. We had not herd from her in so long. I stayed til after dinner. We had such a nice dinner and so many nice grapes but best of all we had no shells all day. [As we can see, it's all about the grapes for miss Carrie.] Aug. 29. Mon. Zuie and I went over to Aunt Hattie Smiths this morning to see if we could find our school teacher We stayed all day with her. We had a very pleasant time playing with Ellen. Fri. Sept. 16. I ironed till dinner and got through and I had a hollowday the rest of the evening. We have had a nice time playing and I think I will sleep sound to night. Sat. Sept. 17. Mama went up to Aunties this morning and I had to keep house for her. I hemmed Sisters dress this evening. Thurs. Sept. 29. We and ironed to day and we got done by two o'clock and I went up to Aunties after I was done here and she gave me some rasenes. Fri. Sept. 30. I have ben sewing some to day on my apron. There are so many soldiers pacing backward and forward. Sat. Oct. 1. It is very warm for the first day of October but we will look out for a frost before long. I have been making my doll a frock for Sunday. Tues. Oct. 4. I finished Sister's little dress to day and I have be up to Aunties once or twice. I feel so lonesome I cant stay at home. I wish it was so that I could go to school. Tues. Nov. 8. This is Zuie's birthday and she has be very smart. We lost our last hog this morning early. Soldiers took him out of the pen. Me and Buddie went around to hunt for him and every where that we inquired they would say that they saw two soldiers driving off to kill him. We will have to live on bread. Sat. Nov. 12. We were fritened almost to death last night. Some mean soldiers set several houses on fire in different parts of the town. I could not go to sleep for fear that they would set our house on fire. We all dred the next few days to come for they said that they would set the last house on fire if they had to leave this place. Sun. Nov. 13. The federal soldiers have ben coming to day and burning houses and I have ben looking at them come in nearly all day. Mon. Nov. 14. They came burning Atlanta to day. We all dread it because they say that they will burn the last house before they stop. We will dread it. Tues. Nov. 15. This has ben a dreadful day. Things have ben burning all around us. We dread to night because we do not know what moment that they will set our house on fire. We have had a gard a little while after dinner and we feel a little more protected. Wed. Nov. 16. Oh what a night we had. They came burning the store house and about night it looked like the whole town was on fire. We all set up all night. If we had not set up our house would have ben burnt up for the fire was very near and the soldiers were going around setting houses on fire where they were not watched. They behaved very badly. They all left the town about one o'clock this evening and we were glad when they left for no body know what we have suffered since they came in. Thurs. Nov. 17 Everything was so quiet we were afraid that the yankees will come back and finish burning the houses but they did not. They have left. Some Confederates came in here to day and the town is full of country people seeing what they can find. We have ben picking up some things. Fri. Nov. 18. We children have ben plundering about to day seeing what we could find. Mama has been trying to straiten up for the house was torn up so bad.

Edwynn -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/3/2013 11:20:35 PM)
Spelling aside, not many 10 yr. olds in this day can express themselves so well.

dcnovice -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 12:00:13 AM)
quote: No the sent them to a prison in Chicago that was as bad as Andersonville Humankind pretty much sucks sometimes.

jlf1961 -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 12:01:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: No the sent them to a prison in Chicago that was as bad as Andersonville Humankind pretty much sucks all the time. Fixed your typo

dcnovice -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 12:02:46 AM)
quote: I got a delayed enlistment into the army after turning down an appointment to the Air Force Academy (Father was career Air Force) left for basic the morning after I graduated, and my father has not talked to me in 32 years. Actually he disowned me. That seems like something of an overreaction. Had you sought the USAF Academy appointment?

dcnovice -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 12:27:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: No the sent them to a prison in Chicago that was as bad as Andersonville Humankind pretty much sucks all the time. Fixed your typo Please don't put words in my mouth, particularly ones with which I vigorously disagree. To borrow from Max Ehrmann, "But let [the world's travails] not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism." To take just one recent example from the headlines: [image]http://celebrityexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/last-alarm-300x300.jpg[/image] Back in 1980, historian Barbara Tuchman delivered the NEH's Jefferson Lecture, entitled "Mankind's Better Moments." The text seems to be copyrighted, but I did find audio. On a personal note, as one trudging through major medical issues, I've seen and benefitted from not just familial and friendly love but the kindness of strangers. During the month I spent in and (occasionally) out of hospitals, I was sometimes almost overwhelmed by the web of care embracing me.

BamaD -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 1:15:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: No the sent them to a prison in Chicago that was as bad as Andersonville Humankind pretty much sucks sometimes. That was the only point I was trying to make.

slvemike4u -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 1:54:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I disagree. If Lee had 'won' as Gettysburg, Meade and Grant could have marshaled their forces to protect Washington. Any delay in the taking of Vicksburg would simply have delayed what was then...the inevitable because by that time Union incompetence was a thing of the past. The draft riots notwithstanding (the Northern draft began in 1862 2 years prior to the national draft) it still produced another 100,000 troops and in 64 100,000 free and freed blacks had joined the war. It is doubtful that Lee could have taken D C but a victory at Gettysburg would have let Lee move into the industrial heart of the north while Grant was marshaling forces to defend D C. While they were called draft riots they were really race riots with better than 150 blacks lynched in NYC. Had this not been stopped as quickly as it was how many of those hundred thousand blacks who, by your own statement, had not joined up would have? Gettysburg was Lee's first defeat had he won it would have stricken a serious blow to northern morale. Remember McClellan nearly defeated Lincoln in 64 on peace platform. A southern victory a Gettysburg could easily have changed that. Not saying it would have but the distinct possibility has to be taken into account. QFT plus I just had to post to this thread,cause I do care about history....passionately care [:)]

slvemike4u -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 2:02:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Yup, and one Lt. James Baughman of the 56th Pennsylvania was there, damn (expletive deleted) Yankee great great grandfather. Maybe that is why I do not get along with my mom's family all that well. I was hoping to make it to Gettysburg this year but just couldn't do it. I had a great, great, grandfather on the Confederate side, Pvt. Charles Ledbetter (26th North Carolina), who was wounded in Pickett's Charge. A lot of historians speculate on whether or not the Confederates could have won the war but I don't think they ever had a real chance. The ability of the Union to gather and supply troops was way beyond the capacity of the South to ever match. A well known writer, Shelby Foote, went as far to say that the Union fought the war with "one hand tied behind it's back." Just in case anyone is interested, there is a PBS documentary on the Civil War produced by Ken Burns that is really good and well worth watching if you can find it. The only chance the south had was if A the north just decided it wasn't worth it or B they could get France and/or England to come in on their side. unfortunately for the south Egypt became a major supplier of cotton about this time. Don't forget, even after Gettysburg McClellan almost beat Lincoln running on a peace ticket. The outcome was never a foregone conclusion. Lincoln never considered the survival of the Republic to be a preordained outcome. The men that charged on the third day were certainly of the opinion that their efforts could effect the results.

Yachtie -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/4/2013 2:13:37 PM)
FR During the filming of "Gettysburg" one reenactor (Union) found himself stationed at the center wall, within yards, where his great-great-grandpappy really did what he was reenacting. He said that, during all the reloading and firing, he could not stop crying.

Edwynn -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/5/2013 4:49:57 AM)
On a lighter note; my GG Grandad, of direct Irish import, fought on the side that most people living in Macon Ga. at the time would have. At the cessation of hostilities, the Union Military Government (because there is always a Military Government for some spell afterwards in any of these situations) decreed that all citizens had to sign an Oath of Loyalty to the Union. The Irish bartender refused this offer, and spent a year in prison as result. This because Federal expenditures did not have the luxury then that they do now, and one year of incarceration was all they could afford at the time. I'm sure that many here would find some justification, exoneration, vindication, etc. of various current views on Federal spending today, but the two completely time-different countries, two completely different economic landscapes, and two completely different worlds altogether should tell us of the inadequacy of such attempt. I do not at all mean to make light of the horrendous situation in this country during the hostilities and in the immediate aftermath. I just find it somewhat amusing, relatively speaking, my GG Grandad and the Union Military Government standing toe-to-toe in their "standing on ceremony" 'who blinks first' competition in this episode. In any case, I never got anything out of my Aunts and Uncles and Grand Aunts and Grand Uncles other than that the outcome of this affair was the only proper one to be obtained, and I never heard or even 'sniffed' any subtle indication that another outcome was the way it "should have been." I wonder sometimes why it instantly curdles my blood when I hear any of this 'South gon' rise again!' crap, but then I remember once when one of my Grand Uncles bolted upright from his chair (when I was very young) in response to somesuch idiotic comment from some visitor. He didn't say anything, he just glared. I was too young to understand his response then (or any meaningful understanding of what the idiot in question had said), but I certainly understand it now. Frivolous and stupid comments on such a horrendous episode in our history should not be abided in any way. I hope that my anecdote above will be taken not as adventure into that territory, but rather as a relatively inconsequential, albeit humorous, account of one small aspect of the denouement.

Edwynn -> RE: 150 Years Ago This Week (7/5/2013 5:05:11 AM)
PS I think that my ancestors got from the affair that the country won, after everybody fought for the side they happened to be interred to at the time. Consideration of whichever side that happened to have 'lost' or 'won' in the conflagration should take a back seat to the fact that there was only one outcome possible. At horrendous cost, yes. But the country won in the end.

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