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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 8:10:27 PM   
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Methane, the primary component of natural gas, is toxic to most life and is a major greenhouse gas


Nope. Not toxic. Per wikipedia, and per my own organic chem course.

It is in fact a major greenhouse gas. But the amount released here is trivial compared to what Pemex vents to the atmosphere.

The huge danger is that it's explosive. That, plus the fact that this kind of accident shouldn't happen.

The cited article doesn't mention the blowout preventer. A better link gives more detail, still not mentioning the preventer.

Methane displaces oxygen and can lead to asphyxiation. People die from leaking gas lines because of that. Gas explosions are actually rare and require that the methane and oxygen be mixed inside a rather narrow range of concentrations.

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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 8:15:16 PM   
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Methane displaces oxygen and can lead to asphyxiation. People die from leaking gas lines because of that. Gas explosions are actually rare and require that the methane and oxygen be mixed inside a rather narrow range of concentrations.


ANYTHING can displace oxygen (except for oxygen itself) and lead to asphyxiation. Every single gas, water, grains in grain elevators, quicksand. That's not a measure of toxicity.



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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 8:21:36 PM   
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Methane displaces oxygen and can lead to asphyxiation. People die from leaking gas lines because of that. Gas explosions are actually rare and require that the methane and oxygen be mixed inside a rather narrow range of concentrations.


ANYTHING can displace oxygen (except for oxygen itself) and lead to asphyxiation. Every single gas, water, grains in grain elevators, quicksand. That's not a measure of toxicity.

It works for me. Breath it and you die.

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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 9:22:56 PM   
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Methane displaces oxygen and can lead to asphyxiation. People die from leaking gas lines because of that. Gas explosions are actually rare and require that the methane and oxygen be mixed inside a rather narrow range of concentrations.


And what are the chances of asphyxiation in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico?

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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 9:49:32 PM   
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Methane displaces oxygen and can lead to asphyxiation. People die from leaking gas lines because of that. Gas explosions are actually rare and require that the methane and oxygen be mixed inside a rather narrow range of concentrations.


And what are the chances of asphyxiation in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico?

For the marine life near and above the well head? Quite a lot I imagine.

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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 10:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ken, I replied to your request for a link, with a link but it was removed by a mod.

Don't be so lazy and just put the fucking keywords in yourself and you'll have 12,824 hits in 0.034 seconds.

Actual figures may vary because I pulled them out of a hat, but the FACTs about BP wanting to shriug the responsibility off on someone else is not.

In the next day or so we will see if I am still here.

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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 10:55:38 PM   
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despicable assholes, the fine cant be enough...


Wow thats quite a rabid hatred. Thats loo-loo land.

Look, I'm not really a halliburton fan - but destruction of computer simulations? Simulations which are guess work and attempts to test an engineering problem and have little probative value?

Halliburton recommended to use 21 centralizers. BP used 6. Haliburton wanted to see if it contributed to the blow-out and found that it didn't. This hardly seems like ground breaking case.

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RE: Another one - 7/25/2013 11:05:28 PM   
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RE: Another one - 7/26/2013 2:50:56 AM   
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Ken, I replied to your request for a link, with a link but it was removed by a mod.

Don't be so lazy and just put the fucking keywords in yourself and you'll have 12,824 hits in 0.034 seconds.

Actual figures may vary because I pulled them out of a hat, but the FACTs about BP wanting to shriug the responsibility off on someone else is not.

In the next day or so we will see if I am still here.

T^T

I saw and you must have missed some developments.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/us-bp-halliburton-idUSTRE80U1WC20120131

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RE: Another one - 7/26/2013 5:50:08 AM   
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Methane displaces oxygen and can lead to asphyxiation. People die from leaking gas lines because of that. Gas explosions are actually rare and require that the methane and oxygen be mixed inside a rather narrow range of concentrations.


ANYTHING can displace oxygen (except for oxygen itself) and lead to asphyxiation. Every single gas, water, grains in grain elevators, quicksand. That's not a measure of toxicity.

It works for me. Breath it and you die.



You will have to lead a life with nothing but air in it, then. No liquids of any sort, including water, no granulated solids including grains and flours. Sorry.

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RE: Another one - 7/26/2013 8:44:37 AM   
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Methane displaces oxygen and can lead to asphyxiation. People die from leaking gas lines because of that. Gas explosions are actually rare and require that the methane and oxygen be mixed inside a rather narrow range of concentrations.


And what are the chances of asphyxiation in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico?

For the marine life near and above the well head? Quite a lot I imagine.


In the immediate area, perhaps. But from the article Lucy posted, it sounds like it won't stay in the ocean and affect a very large for a long time, unlike oil.

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RE: Another one - 7/26/2013 10:49:25 AM   
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Speaking of the BP/Halliburton catastrophe.
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2013/July/13-crm-850.html
Got no idea what the maximum fine is but its likely not all that much compared to Halliburton's daily profit.

That maximum fine? $200,000
Halliburton reported a profit of $679 million in the second quarter of 2013.

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RE: Another one - 7/27/2013 1:29:22 AM   
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That maximum fine? $200,000
Halliburton reported a profit of $679 million in the second quarter of 2013.


They shouldn't fine companies, they should make them produce a warm body for imprisonment. Even if the fines are significant, which they're not, they never get paid by the culpable parties. the money comes from the lower employees, the shareholders or the customers.

Start putting the motherfuckers in jail if you want to see them act in a responsible manner.

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