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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 7/27/2006 9:08:30 PM   
Strict56


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Hands falling asleep is not a good sign. Because of the position your Master likes the drawbacks are lack of circulation wihich causes hands to fall asleep. I have medical training. Most Doms should take at least a basic first aid class so they can see problems starting. He needs to check a distal pulse or to pinch the finger slightly and count the seconds it takes for the skin to go to pink again. But watch for your hands feeling cold. Some positions are great on a video but in  real life they just dont work. There is never a good reason to do serious harm to a submissive.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/5/2006 8:16:57 PM   
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Here is my two cents:
 
Over the counter wrist splints can be purchased at most drug stores or at Wallmart. These aide in keeping the wrist in neutral position that Girl4you2 spoke of previously. These neutral wrist splints allows this area of your anatomy to "rest" and "repair" providing perm damage has not taken place.
 
This type of splint keeps the small carpal tunnel canal from being compressed. Compression of the medium nerve is the cause of most (not all) wrist/hand numbness. This numbness will over time, if not relieved, convert into a burning sensation..... go see a doc. If it is carpal tunnel, the surgery for it is simple with good prognoses. 
 
for a photo of sensory involvement:  http://www.drfoot.co.uk/wrist_pain/carpal.htm

If sensory involvent is not in those area, shoot me e-mail on collarme and I can help you figure out what some likly causes are so you are armed when you go to the doc.
 
(This post addresses a few comments I read from other writers, it does not addres the original question.)
 

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/8/2006 7:34:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: snellbucket

Hello,

My master is limited in what we can do because my hands fall asleep easily.

Questions:

How long can they be "asleep" before permanent damage is done? One of my master’s favorite positions is strappado (feet on ground of course) but my hands go numb after 15 minutes or so.

What are some good non-numbing tie positions?

Thanks!



If you have not, it is important you discuss the ease with which your hands fall asleep with a physician. This symptom can indicate a serious condition.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/14/2006 2:39:42 AM   
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As a massage therapist I can tell you that massage really works to help relieve carpal tunnel symptoms which believe it or not actually start in the neck. Please do yourself a favor and try to avoid surgery by finding a deep tissue massage and chiropractic adjustments. I recommend the CBP method of chiropractic but there are many others that work. Make sure you get a therapist that knows what the hell they are doing, it's hard to find but if you stick with someone in a medical enviroment you will probalby have better luck.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/23/2006 1:43:21 AM   
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numbness in hands and feet for a diabetic is called neuropathy and is not the same thing at all.
i honestly would get that checked out if you are having numbness in the hands. it is either carpal tunnel syndrome or some other nerve problem. i have the same problem. welcome to write off line if you wish



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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/24/2006 8:24:57 PM   
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Hands going numb is not normal for any length of time.  It is a circulation / nerve issue or both.  He needs to consult a medical professional about this. There could be serious circulation issues, nerve entrapment or both.  Don't take this lightly!  Get it check out.

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/24/2006 11:26:56 PM   
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While most people here are going on about carpal tunnel, two other have had a valid point as well.  There could be trouble with your spine, specifically your neck and nerves being compressed there.
 
Don't wait long on this either, you could suffer permanent nerve damage.  From either case, the carpal tunnel or from spinal compression.
 
I am recovering from spinal surgery and we are awaiting to see if I have permanent damage or not.
 
Good luck,
 
LeatherRose

 

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/26/2006 1:36:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: snellbucket

Hello,

My master is limited in what we can do because my hands fall asleep easily.

Questions:

How long can they be "asleep" before permanent damage is done? One of my master’s favorite positions is strappado (feet on ground of course) but my hands go numb after 15 minutes or so.

What are some good non-numbing tie positions?

Thanks!



I developed carpel tunnel a few years ago. <ouch> I also recommend this to the ladies that I mentor.


Get a pair of wrist braces from your local drug store ... or WalMart even ... Put the wrist braces on prior to getting your happy ass tied up.



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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/28/2006 3:24:16 AM   
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greetings my dear
 
he has it too tight and he must learn how to not tight them in that way.
 
it is not you hands it is his wrong tighting
 
mons

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/30/2006 12:48:32 AM   
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why do people still do things even though they are uncomfortable. use your heads!!
please yourself before anyone else.
when using leather cuffs, make sure they can rotate.........

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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/30/2006 10:50:55 PM   
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It is important to determine why your hands fall asleep.  It can be either reduced circulation, or nerve compression or damage.  There are many causes for both. 

If the bondage is causing circulation to be reduced, the affected area will appear dark red, then purple.  This is a sign of venous blood pooling there.  That can be tolerated for quite a while, perhaps a half hour, because blood is still coming in.  Test capillary refill by pressing with the thumb - the spot should turn much lighter while being pressed, then red again quickly when pressure is released.  If the hands are pale white and cold, it means arterial blood is cut off.  That takes a lot of pressure.  It must not last more than about 5 minutes, or tissue damage may begin.

Numbness due to decreased blood supply may be caused by arterial disease, or by low blood pressure.  It may manifest just by the position of the hands being kept raised above the head, without any bondage.  See a doctor about this one.  It can indicate disease that needs to be treated.

Numbness due to nerve compression must be remedied immediately.  The condition that caused it must be identified and not repeated.  Nerve compression injuries are cumulative, and do not always resolve.  They are also quite common among bondage bottoms, especially those who are often suspended.  The hands can be numbed by pressure at several different points on the arm, not just at the wrist.  It is actually more common for this sort of damage to occur in the middle of the upper arm than at the wrist, unless metal cuffs are used.  The wise bondage top knows the position of nerves likely to be affected by various ties, and avoids putting excessive pressure on them.  Thin and light-bodied women are more susceptible to these problems because there is less padding of muscle protecting the nerves.

In a strappado position, it is also possible for the position itself to put pressure on the brachial nerve plexus, which is located near the armpit.

Finally, diabetic neuropathy should be ruled out.  It begins with sporadic numbness and/or tingling in various spots in the hands and feet.  The nerves also become much more sensitive to damage from other pressure.  And it is often compounded by the reduced circulation that diabetes also causes.  Neuropathy often begins before other symptoms cause a diabetic to seek medical care.   A friend lost both his feet because he didn't know he had diabetes, and his feet got infected.  He couldn't feel the pain due to neuropathy.


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RE: Hands Falling Asleep - 8/31/2006 12:12:17 PM   
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Grizzly!

Finally, someone who is laying out clearly, and why, the numbness could be originating from many different sources.  To assume it is only: carpal tunnel,  loss of circulation, a spinal problem, diabetes or something else, many are acting as if they know what the source is and have THE answer.  Any of these things can cause numbness and other things as well.

It is important to see a physician and rule out any major disease that could be causing this and then systomatically working from the spine outward for any mechanical (neurological or vascular) that could be the culprit.  Some problems can be fixed, some can't.  I have Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (formally RSD) and any of my limbs can fall asleep at any time.....for no apparent reason at all.   Having gone through comprehensive testing, including Electronic Conduction Testing (ECT) in order to see how the nerves transmit pain in normal positions, I can say that it is a laborious process.

However, splints, balls in the hands, etc won't do a darn thing if it's not something like carpal tunnel disease.

See your doctor and explain how and in what positions it happens.  Don't worry about his/her reactions.  Trust me, they've heard it all.

Sunshine


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