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Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking for p... - 7/31/2013 9:12:54 AM   
AAkasha


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If you are frustrated with the number of "pay pigs" that email you but then do not deliver on their promises, I am here to help you.

Even if you have invested a lot of time with a very good set of sexy photos and alluring profile pushing all the right buttons (degrading your potential slaves, telling them they are losers and you will suck them dry, demanding they treat you like a greedy princess that does not deserve the shit on the bottom on their shoes), you have to understand your target audience.

You probably have seen and are imitating some of the other profiles that are like this, or seen the web sites of what look like very successful "money dommes" that are rolling in actual $100 dollar bills or have pictures of men sending money, or a rolling side bar of who is sending cash and gifts. It looks lucrative and like a dream come true. Their target audience (and yours) is a group of submissive men who have a humiliation fetish similar to cuckolding.

If you are serious about female domination, you need to learn about different types of subs. They have different buttons.

A humiliation sub who is drawn to 'pay princesses' has a fantasy that he cannot afford this woman, but other men can. His fantasy is that he is always rejected and when he approaches this woman, he will fail. He probably has a small penis fetish too. He thinks he is not good enough, but other men are. What he craves is humiliation, failure, and rejection. So your profile is his fetish - 100%. So is rejection and failure. When you make your profile and post it, you have already satisfied 75% of his fantasy. When he types the email to you, that's about 20% more. When he sees you read the email, that's 5% more and he probably orgasmed. If you don't write back, it's ok - he's been rejected and that's what he wants. He wants to be rejected. He saw your fantasy and knows he is not good enough, he wrote to you and jerked off. If you write back, he starts masturbating again! Then he tells you he can't afford your demands. He's hard again. He might even cum again by saying he can't afford it. If you ignore him but read the message, he has gotten 2 orgasms total out of you. If you write back and tell him he is an asshole time waster loser, he will come a third time. And probably save the email if it is good.

Summary? Unless you get off on being used, do not go into the role of "pay princess" looking for piggies. They get off on being rejected and reading profiles and looking at pictures. They get off on just looking at them and writing to you and knowing you read it. Hell, they even get off on being deleted unread - that's rejecting in its finest form.

Who actually is making money off of subs? I make pretty good money off of submissive men. In fact I just came back from my PO box with almost 20 boxes, mostly makeup. How did I do it? First, I absolutely and honestly adore every man that submits to me. I know him intimately. I know his buttons. When we play together, I invest (of myself)intimacy and energy that is equal if not higher than the energy I invest in my real job, at a level that my accountant looks at every year and says "Akasha you really need to cut down the time you spend on that "little side job"" - it's a losing side job, but I take what I invest in it for either "gifts for consideration " (things like makeup) or money I use for travel when I see play friends.

Also, my web site, which built my credibility as a live human being honestly into kink, existed for free for ten years - an entire decade - before ever being behind a paywall. If you want to charge money for anything, in any capacity, you have to invest in building a reputation first. I never knew what the web would become in 1995 (no one did) I was just posting on USENET and started a web site as a "home" for my stories. Nowadays if you are going to charge for your training or fantasy play thats fine, but with so many people doing the same thing you need a brand and a reputation. I could quit my job tomorrow and have no problem filling my day with Skype training, email training and more. My accountant would kill me. I would never make the same money I do in my real job and I would burn out on kink.

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 7/31/2013 9:49:09 AM   
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What happened to all the other posts?



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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 7/31/2013 11:11:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

What happened to all the other posts?


There was a problematic paragraph in the original thread, which the OP has removed. If anyone's comments are still relevant and you would like them back to repost on this thread, please CMail me.

ETA - by relevant I mean NOT referring to the paragraph that was deleted.


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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 7/31/2013 12:38:42 PM   
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So what you are actually saying AAkasha is, don't give up your day job because even when you are really good at this, have an impeccable reputation and spend or have spent a lot of time and effort building that reputation, Fin Domme isn't really lucrative enough to make a decent living?

Now with Pro Domming, you can make a very good living but only if you spend the same amount of care and time building up your reputation, have a chambers in a prime location and specialise in something that is very much wanted. Besides that you need to know how to run a business and just like you, any sensible pro Domme will put her books through an accountant. Successful pro Dommes work extremely hard. The ones that don't are the ones who believe they can do this from their living room without any formal training and don't want to put the time and effort in.

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 7/31/2013 1:10:52 PM   
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Well written, if there were a "love it" button here, I'd click it. However, I seriously doubt that a single member of your "target" audience will read it.

The above was my original reply to the original post here. Wish I could remember the name of the program I've got that remembers the texts of the last twenty or so things I've posted. It does come in handy.

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 7/31/2013 1:26:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

So what you are actually saying AAkasha is, don't give up your day job because even when you are really good at this, have an impeccable reputation and spend or have spent a lot of time and effort building that reputation, Fin Domme isn't really lucrative enough to make a decent living?

Now with Pro Domming, you can make a very good living but only if you spend the same amount of care and time building up your reputation, have a chambers in a prime location and specialise in something that is very much wanted. Besides that you need to know how to run a business and just like you, any sensible pro Domme will put her books through an accountant. Successful pro Dommes work extremely hard. The ones that don't are the ones who believe they can do this from their living room without any formal training and don't want to put the time and effort in.



I don't think being a professional dominatrix of any kind is a lucrative job for the long haul as a career for anyone because of the burnout factor but I can't speak for everyone. I also feel the same way about doing something I love for money when it comes to something like NHL hockey. Why not pursue a job working in PR or marketing in the NHL? Because I worry that if all the stress of making money and what I associate angst with in a paying job is wrapped into my passion I will start to have a real love/hate relationship with it and it would be ruined.

Also, femdom lust runs hot and cold with me. I always have an energy flow. But it peaks at times, and then it slows. I could never run a dungeon full time because I take emotional breaks. I was doing phone sessions like a maniac in my 20s and I had endless energy and lust. Now? Not so much. Every now and then I pick it up. I do things here and there. I am much more busy in my real job. If work is slow I might do more. I write less now than I used do. I get ideas and go crazy for awhile then I slow down.

But there is a business behind running a business and there's no such thing as easy money in ANYTHING. I wish that thread was not pulled from a couple hours ago of the lady saying the guy was a scammer because he promised to send her stuff and didn't. that's what this thread is about. These women don't realize they are targeting a market that gets off on being told they are losers for NOT being able to deliver. He was wanking off to her post and she was giving him what he wants even more. He loves this. As much as men come here posting about how upset they are about these findoms and their princess posts, they shouldn't be - these women are getting nothing, wasting their time, and giving FREE kink to an audience of subs who love their free fetish, and collarme is making money hand over fist. The only aggravation is wading through them. Hide and move on.

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 7/31/2013 1:36:57 PM   
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Totally agree about the burn out. Saying that, I have friends that have been seriously doing this for ten years or more and these women live in grand houses with no mortgage. If you can keep going and you are good, you can earn more than the average lawyer.... Saying that, you have to be good.

I just mentioned on the fin Domme thread, the problem with many of these women (and by no means all just in case my post gets misinterpreted once again!) is, even if they did get a sound contact who paid up, these women wouldn't be able to fulfil the domination part because the majority of them don't have a clue. Many of these women don't understand the first thing about how real financial domination works. If they did they wouldn't be writing the sort of profiles we so often see.



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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 8/2/2013 11:16:19 AM   
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Quick. Someone PM me what was deleted! :)

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 8/2/2013 1:36:28 PM   
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As a fin domme I appreciate and agree with what you're saying in a few senses. I have had a handful of submissive a that literally just got off on sending me gifts and money without much recognition on my part so in that sense I really think they wanted a "Pay Princess." But those were usually fairly short lived and lasted an average of about two months. I assume they either for bored or ran out of money. However my long term at submissives, I do have more knowledge of their preferences. I don't consider myself a "pro domme" bc I don't charge for cam sessions but I am happy to indulge a subs kinks as a reward here and there if its within my comfort zone. So I think a "Pay Princess" can be successful in rare occasions but it won't be long term. I also agree about femdom lust running hot and cold. For me it depends on what's going on in my personal life. I recently had to part ways with a sub because he wanted a domme who saw every single man as being her submissive and treated them as such. That was a bit too much for me.

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 8/2/2013 5:57:43 PM   
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How anyone would/could get off on sending tribute to someone they haven't even met, is wholly beyond my mental capacity.

Then again, stranger things have occurred, so, that's simply proof there is someone for everyone.

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 8/3/2013 5:36:34 PM   
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This makes a lot of sense! Im very into the whole findom thing always looking for ways to improve

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RE: Open Letter to "Pay Princesses" Looking f... - 8/4/2013 3:59:02 PM   
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I mean, unless you are into Findom, you wont understand. This is a legitimate fetish that many people are into.

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