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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 4:10:09 AM

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Doesn't take an Einstein to figure out our species, are our own worst enemy and are contributing or causing global warming and break down of the ozone layer. The Ozone layer might not cause global warming, but it does effect the health of us and sea life, by extreme Uv ray exposure. There is no place for pollution to go but hang in the air with global warming. So for every tree we cut down and don't replace, its just another drop of water to fill the cup of catastrophic disasters occurring. We are changing our atmosphere. Have natural disasters, I say that loosely, occur at a more frequent rate? We are changing the natural balance of things, but on the other hand, it does not good to worry excessively about it, because its something that is going to happen anyway, but humans are speeding up the process by our pollutants.
There is no doubt there are corrupt money worshipping fools out there, that would take tax dollars to line their own pockets or agenda if allowed, intended to go to the science of saving the earth. BUt I also have faith there are incredible people in office who do the right things for the right reasons and that has more power then any corrupt man ever thought of having. In the end that man is destroyed.

We all can do our part as private individuals by planting a tree or two, buying more energy efficient vehicles, among other things. Even on a small scale we can help, if all individuals did this, we would be part of the solution not part of the problem. There is no solution in arguments, just actions. I think it is human nature for people to blame someone else for something, instead of taking responsibility for what we can do our selves. If we continue to think we are to small to change things, we will be.

Just my two cents, which is not based on anything but opinion, because honestly I have very little education in science or CO2 emissions as the more educated I am sure can tell.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 6:10:03 AM

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I wonder how global temperature trends line up with the reduction in flora. That is, what part is played by the loss of trees, grass, etc. being replaced by pavement, cement, buildings, houses, etc.

My kids had a function at their school one night and as we were walking to the front entrance, I couldn't help but notice the heat radiating from the brick building.

I have used the thermal mass properties of asphalt to finish cleaning off my driveway after snowstorms.

Air conditioning adds to the amount of heat outside of a living space. That has to eventually add up, doesn't it?

Every time an abandoned building isn't reused or the site reused (demolish the building to erect a new one), we take away a little bit more greenspace. The more greenspace is taken away, the less nature we have consuming CO2.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 6:46:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

I wonder how global temperature trends line up with the reduction in flora. That is, what part is played by the loss of trees, grass, etc. being replaced by pavement, cement, buildings, houses, etc.

My kids had a function at their school one night and as we were walking to the front entrance, I couldn't help but notice the heat radiating from the brick building.

I have used the thermal mass properties of asphalt to finish cleaning off my driveway after snowstorms.

Air conditioning adds to the amount of heat outside of a living space. That has to eventually add up, doesn't it?

Every time an abandoned building isn't reused or the site reused (demolish the building to erect a new one), we take away a little bit more greenspace. The more greenspace is taken away, the less nature we have consuming CO2.

Excellent point. Take an egg put it on the pavement on a hot day vs. grass, see where it fries.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 9:35:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

I wonder how global temperature trends line up with the reduction in flora. That is, what part is played by the loss of trees, grass, etc. being replaced by pavement, cement, buildings, houses, etc.

My kids had a function at their school one night and as we were walking to the front entrance, I couldn't help but notice the heat radiating from the brick building.

I have used the thermal mass properties of asphalt to finish cleaning off my driveway after snowstorms.

Air conditioning adds to the amount of heat outside of a living space. That has to eventually add up, doesn't it?

Every time an abandoned building isn't reused or the site reused (demolish the building to erect a new one), we take away a little bit more greenspace. The more greenspace is taken away, the less nature we have consuming CO2.

That is all true.

What is hard is to quantify is how much effect it is having.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 9:44:08 AM

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Perhaps O2 levels ? Probably not because whatever makes CO2 tends to use O2.

Damn, what if all we have to do is plant more trees and all this bullshit is for nothing ?

Actually most of the O2 comes from the oceans, but then those aren't exactly in pristeen condition either.

And why do I argue against it ? Because something else is going to kill us way before global warming. In fact, bring it on. Put another fucking nail in the coffin of our economy and then we can have people revert to canibalism and all that cool shit. That'll fucking fix global warming, there'll be less people to warm it.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 12:23:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
FR,
I wonder how global temperature trends line up with the reduction in flora. That is, what part is played by the loss of trees, grass, etc. being replaced by pavement, cement, buildings, houses, etc.
My kids had a function at their school one night and as we were walking to the front entrance, I couldn't help but notice the heat radiating from the brick building.
I have used the thermal mass properties of asphalt to finish cleaning off my driveway after snowstorms.
Air conditioning adds to the amount of heat outside of a living space. That has to eventually add up, doesn't it?
Every time an abandoned building isn't reused or the site reused (demolish the building to erect a new one), we take away a little bit more greenspace. The more greenspace is taken away, the less nature we have consuming CO2.

That is all true.
What is hard is to quantify is how much effect it is having.

LMMFAO!! No shit! Thank God the "Science" of AGW is "settled," then, right?

That is exactly my point, Ken. We still don't know what is going on yet. How are you supposed to fix a problem when you don't really know what is going on?

Damn.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 2:41:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
FR,
I wonder how global temperature trends line up with the reduction in flora. That is, what part is played by the loss of trees, grass, etc. being replaced by pavement, cement, buildings, houses, etc.
My kids had a function at their school one night and as we were walking to the front entrance, I couldn't help but notice the heat radiating from the brick building.
I have used the thermal mass properties of asphalt to finish cleaning off my driveway after snowstorms.
Air conditioning adds to the amount of heat outside of a living space. That has to eventually add up, doesn't it?
Every time an abandoned building isn't reused or the site reused (demolish the building to erect a new one), we take away a little bit more greenspace. The more greenspace is taken away, the less nature we have consuming CO2.

That is all true.
What is hard is to quantify is how much effect it is having.

LMMFAO!! No shit! Thank God the "Science" of AGW is "settled," then, right?

That is exactly my point, Ken. We still don't know what is going on yet. How are you supposed to fix a problem when you don't really know what is going on?

Damn.

We do know a lot though. We know that we are putting more CO2 into the air than can be removed by existing mechanisms (the amount of CO2 in the air is rising quite quickly).
We know that bulldozing greenspace for more parking lots is a problem. The problem lies in quantifying exactly what those effects are, i.e. how much CO2 won't be absorbed and how much hotter the local area will be because of the concrete.

As to global warming, we are as sure about that as we are about evolution and nuclear physics. To fix the problem we need to either emit less CO2 or greatly increase the rate at which it is removed from the atmosphere.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 2:59:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: As to global warming, we are as sure about that as we are about evolution and nuclear physics. To fix the problem we need to either emit less CO2 or greatly increase the rate at which it is removed from the atmosphere.

Except, of course, that we're not. Nasa has said the IPCC theory of global warming is *wrong*.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 3:03:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: We know that bulldozing greenspace for more parking lots is a problem. The problem lies in quantifying exactly what those effects are, i.e. how much CO2 won't be absorbed and how much hotter the local area will be because of the concrete.

As to global warming, we are as sure about that as we are about evolution and nuclear physics. To fix the problem we need to either emit less CO2 or greatly increase the rate at which it is removed from the atmosphere.

Or maybe we don't.

Personally, it may surprise you to find that I am in favor of reasonable things like tax penalties for bulldozing greenspaces. Hell, there's a lot of land in detroit that could be returned to fallow - or recycled for plants etc.

All in favor of that. I'm in favor of getting rid of ethanol subsidies - which encourage the burning of malaysian swamps and brazilian swamps. I'm in favor of ending food subsidies.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 3:05:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

FR,

I wonder how global temperature trends line up with the reduction in flora. That is, what part is played by the loss of trees, grass, etc. being replaced by pavement, cement, buildings, houses, etc.

My kids had a function at their school one night and as we were walking to the front entrance, I couldn't help but notice the heat radiating from the brick building.

I have used the thermal mass properties of asphalt to finish cleaning off my driveway after snowstorms.

Air conditioning adds to the amount of heat outside of a living space. That has to eventually add up, doesn't it?

Every time an abandoned building isn't reused or the site reused (demolish the building to erect a new one), we take away a little bit more greenspace. The more greenspace is taken away, the less nature we have consuming CO2.

Even more important than that is the thermal loads we are imposing by our power plants, AC's cars etc. As a rule of thumb - we get 2 units of heat for every unit of useful power.

But thats just another factor that the IPCC didn't consider when it was pushing the idea of C02 caused global warming.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 3:34:28 PM

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And one more quick link:

Due to global "warming" evaporation from pans/lakes etc should increase, right.

Except - it hasn't. Just another one of the dozens of problems I've documented about "global warming"

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/5/2013 7:54:51 PM

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~ FR ~

Frightening projection for Arctic melt

The Arctic Ocean could be free of ice in the summer as soon as 2010 or 2015 - something that hasn't happened for more than a million years, according to a leading polar researcher. Louis Fortier, scientific director of ArcticNet, a Canadian research network, said the sea ice is melting faster than predicted by models created by international teams of scientists, such as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

"The frightening models we didn't even dare to talk about before are now proving to be true," Fortier told CanWest News Service, referring to computer models that take into account the thinning of the sea ice and the warming from the albedo effect - the Earth is absorbing more energy as the sea ice melts.

According to these models, there will be no sea ice left in the summer in the Arctic Ocean somewhere between 2010 and 2015. "And it's probably going to happen even faster than that," said Fortier, who leads an international team of researchers in the Arctic looking for clues to climate change.

Arctic Sea Ice Gone in Summer Within Five Years?

An already relentless melting of the Arctic greatly accelerated this summer—a sign that some scientists worry could mean global warming has passed an ominous tipping point... This week, after reviewing his own new data, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: "At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions..."

NASA scientist James Hansen, the lone-wolf researcher often called the godfather of global warming, on Thursday was to tell scientists and others at the American Geophysical Union scientific in San Francisco that in some ways Earth has hit one of his so-called tipping points, based on Greenland melt data.

K.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/6/2013 10:21:09 AM

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I had absolutely no idea how evil cows are. destroying the atmosphere with their intelligence of mass producing themselves at alarming rates, feeding themselves antibiotics that weaken their ability to fight infections in men, and the skill they have of manufacturing their own feeds, building their own pastures by destroying trees and they actually dare to defecate on the ground and they pump it into the ocean too. We are really going to hate it when they start doing as we do, and lay mass quantities of brick and asphalt on top of the desert they create by grazing and making the land barren where no grass stands, but I bet the ground is cooler before they lay the asphalt and erect buildings where no grass or trees can grow back at all.
Of course, we also have great minds, who cant seem accept anyone else's opinion, because it requires years of intense study or reasoning to take into account, any source of possibly viable information, because we have to look at graphs, and studies and make things much more complicated then need be. Does appear those graphs and sciences have came up with a solution yet does it? I believe in science, I find it fascinating, and I admire anyone who has dedicated their life to research to make our livers better, but also has common sense and can see some of the simplest things , can actually adjust a situation. If you leave the baking soda out of a recipe, chances are it will not rise. Scientists who are to busy trying to be right, or playing GOd, miss out on a key ingredient, they are not God so therefore they are blind to certain factors.
Faith is when you step out, and believe although the system seems to be failing, you step out and trust something bigger then yourself to take care of it. Its not wishful thinking, its a complete knowing, the good will prevail and the bad will be defeated. When you reach that place, your focus is not on the ones in office who show their face in one light but take actions in another. Faith is believing we are on our way to better future, no matter how bleak it looks. I have faith there are scientists out there who work with a higher power, and those are people of the highest most successful visions. I also believe there are people in office who are so passionate and good in their wants for the people, they would fight to the death for it, literally, not out of selfishness, but for humanity.
Call me a hopeless optimist or naïve or uneducated, I will not take offense. That is true faith.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/7/2013 7:23:21 AM

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/8/2013 5:02:02 AM

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Unlocked. Numerous posts from numerous posters were removed because they made other posters the topic, as were posts that replied to or quoted them. As a reminder, you may attack the post but not the poster.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/8/2013 5:05:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: As to global warming, we are as sure about that as we are about evolution and nuclear physics. To fix the problem we need to either emit less CO2 or greatly increase the rate at which it is removed from the atmosphere.

Except, of course, that we're not. Nasa has said the IPCC theory of global warming is *wrong*.

Present a link.

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/8/2013 5:07:00 AM

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Unlocked. Numerous posts from numerous posters were removed because they made other posters the topic, as were posts that replied to or quoted them. As a reminder, you may attack the post but not the poster.

Thanks for at least leaving in the totally off-topic conversation that included pictures of really cool cars!

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RE: 4% drop in CO2 emissions in one year - 8/8/2013 4:34:39 PM

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Except, of course, that we're not. Nasa has said the IPCC theory of global warming is *wrong*.

If that's what I think it is I read it. It states that solar energy was being reflected by CO2 in the atmosphere back to space. That's about all it claimed. Subsequent articles ABOUT the original NASA report made some claims that seem like they came out of thin air.

Actually CO2 DOES reflect solar energy. That is the same property that makes it a "greehouse" gas. However I still don't believe the whole thing, at least the extent that is claimed by the chickenlittlish types.

A big enough war will solve most of this though, so vote republican. Or Hillary, she's been chomping at the bit to start shit for a long time, but hides it pretty well.

Thing is to use conventional weapons that kick up soot and shit. That plus the healthy trimming of the population would fix us right up.

And folks, that is precisely what needs to happen. If PEOPLE are causing the problem, what is the most logical solution ? Those cows, as malevolent as they are, could be thinned out as well once there are less people eating them.

I don't blame the cows really.

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