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A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/29/2006 9:05:45 PM   
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This is a manifesto; a manifesto about Female Supremacy. I'm posting it here to see if I'm on the right track -- if Women think it makes sense.

As far as manifesto's go, it's a little silly, as I'm phallically unqualified to chart the future of the Female Supremacy movement. So I'm afraid that this manifesto has no audience – those who find Female Supremacy absurd won't enjoy it, and those who believe would probably prefer feminine leadership.

But here it is anyway.

Before I get started with my proper argument, I'd like to say a few words about terminology. We say that we believe in Female Supremacy and that men should be slaves to Women. And that's unfortunate, because it tends to remind people of some terrible evils -- of White Supremacy and of American race slavery.

Female Supremacy, at least as I will define and explain it here, is not at all similar to White Supremacy, and the consensual slavery of a man to a Woman is nothing at all like race based slavery. There are many, many ways in which they are different, but the most important is that there is absolutely no coercion in Female Supremacy. Everything is consensual.

With that out of the way, I can begin. Here we go:

There are, in our amazingly diverse and complex world, men and Women who want to live in situations in which Women are in charge. The forms this desire can take vary quite a bit – some people hunger for something that is very much out of a BDSM fantasy, other people prefer situations structured around values derived from the feminist movement, and there is probably someone staking out almost every point in between.

Exactly what these people want, or why they want it, isn't the point. And whether they are right to want it isn't really the point either. And believe me, I have no interest in trying to persuade you that you should want it too. In the vision of the Female Supremacist movement presented in this manifesto, there is no evangelism.

The point is that these people exist; they are real, they are tangible, they live and breathe. Or, I should say: We are real, we are tangible, and we live and breathe. We are few in number, compared to the rest of society, a very small minority at best. But we exist!

So let's make a simple definition: A Female Supremacist is a person who wants to live, for real, in a situation in which Women are in charge.

What I'm calling the Female Supremacy Movement is what I'd like to see grow and flourish – a movement of Female Supremacists, for Female Supremacists. A movement to make life easier and more manageable for all of us. A movement that helps us figure out how to meet one another, how to recognize kindred spirits, and most importantly, how best to live in a world that is at best puzzled by us, and at worst hostile to us.

This is not, I should point out, the same thing as wanting a world in which Women run everything. And again, I have to point out that it is consensual. I am not suggesting that even one single man who is unwilling should be under the rule of a Woman. All I'm saying is that it should be easier for those of us who do want to live this way to make it work. And I am suggesting that if we come together, we can make it easier.

I have specifically laid down my definitions here in ways that leave out lots of things that are often attributed to Female Supremacists, by both friends and foes.

Foes accuse us of being essentially like White Supremacists, with Women replacing whites as a master class. This is, of course, another way of saying that we are evil. But under my definitions, there is no compulsion; we are completely self selecting as a group. No one is here who doesn't want to be,

Friends often point to an ancient golden age in which women ruled, and peace was the norm rather than an exception. We need to return to that time, if we can, in the same way we need to return to nature. That's not the sort of argument I'm making here. I don't know if such a golden age existed, or how we could return to it if it did. I can't imagine that in today's world, anything coming close to such a return is even remotely possible.

Other friends point out characteristic differences between masculine and feminine personalities, and suggest that these differences show that we'd all be better off with women in charge. I'm not unsympathetic to this argument; I think there's more than a little truth to it. But even so, I'm not making that argument as part of my manfiesto. It's important for me to explain why.

I'm trying to kick off a discussion among "us", and about us. I'm not trying to tell "them" what they should do, or why they should do it. I'm asking us to think about what we should do, and why we should do it, to talk about these things.

So I'm not trying to defend Female Supremacy to the rest of the world, and I'm not trying to convert anyone to Female Supremacy. I'm not trying to put together arguments to show that Female Supremacy is a better way to live. Those are things you'd say to people on the outside, to them; we already know.

Part of this is because I believe that Female Supremacy is something that's deeper than arguments can reach. For me personally, it's just something that's always been there in one form or another. I don't think that anyone will be persuaded to be a Female Supremacist. You either feel it, or you don't. It either fits, or it doesn't.

So what I am trying to suggest is that we should talk to one another, figure out what our values and interests are, share tips on how to live in the real world that exists today. We should build networks and communities, and try to fight isolation. We should look for ways we can be open to discovery by Female Supremacists who are alone, and disconnected from a larger community. We should think about how to carve out our own psychic spaces in this world, how to protect them, how to decorate them.

This is what my manfiesto calls for.

Thanks to all for reading.
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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 4:08:06 AM   
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First off, I don't mean this as a direct insult to you, so if it's taken that way, I apologize, but as I have been a member, an officer, founder, whatever, of a number of significant femdom and female supremacy organizations, one thing has always fascinated me, and that's the propensity of male submissives to write manifestos about female supremacy.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 5:00:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

First off, I don't mean this as a direct insult to you, so if it's taken that way, I apologize, but as I have been a member, an officer, founder, whatever, of a number of significant femdom and female supremacy organizations, one thing has always fascinated me, and that's the propensity of male submissives to write manifestos about female supremacy.


I thought that was a bit arrogant. Yes, you've been involved in these groups but I wonder if you actively support them. hmmm or maybe its just that they don't meet YOUR agenda. I think that is what it is. That makes me wonder why you'd even make such a comment to another man. I think its great that he has the courage to even post this here.


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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 6:03:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

First off, I don't mean this as a direct insult to you, so if it's taken that way, I apologize, but as I have been a member, an officer, founder, whatever, of a number of significant femdom and female supremacy organizations, one thing has always fascinated me, and that's the propensity of male submissives to write manifestos about female supremacy.


I realized that there was this element to it -- I wasn't sure how strong the element was, though.

I'm with someone, and we're trying to make it work, and there are lots of things to figure out...

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 6:05:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

I thought that was a bit arrogant. Yes, you've been involved in these groups but I wonder if you actively support them. hmmm or maybe its just that they don't meet YOUR agenda. I think that is what it is. That makes me wonder why you'd even make such a comment to another man. I think its great that he has the courage to even post this here.



Thanks very much for replying -- it means a lot to me.


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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 8:01:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fsboy

So let's make a simple definition: A Female Supremacist is a person who wants to live, for real, in a situation in which Women are in charge.



Technically, this definition isn't correct. A Supremacist is someone who believes that a person or, more usually, a group of people, are superior to all other groups based on some attribute(s), either real or perceived. your manifesto isn't saying that, exactly. What I hear is you arguing for your personal right to submit to Women because you admire the traits that you see.   you don't state that all men should submit to all women because women are inherently superior. you do state that being involved in such a lifestyle should be consensual. Both of these statements go against what most supremacist groups teach. These groups feel that everyone should believe what they believe because it's a "Universal Truth" and that believing such is really inevitable because we will eventually see that the group is truly superior due to the attribute(s) displayed. That's not what I'm reading here, so I, myself, would hesitate to call your views as Supremacist. you’re merely expressing your choice.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 8:09:08 AM   
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Matriarchal society is not a new concept and has only of late (in the fullness of the world's time, to date) been maligned.

I see no reason for its castigation...  Matriarchal societies have been prosperous and happy in every case I am aware of.

What  I am contributing here is along the lines of ; the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today. 

Nothing other than the obvious.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 8:16:03 AM   
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I personally think that female supremacy is a bad idea, just as male supremacy is.  There are generalizations that can be applied to each gender - men are typically larger and stronger than women, women tend to think more of the consequences of actions on family and children than men, etc, etc.

However, it is utter idiocy to say that one gender is better than the other.  There are some men who are better at something than some women, just as there are some women who are better at something than some men.  And each gender has, unfortunately, more than its fair share of morally bankrupt losers who choose to be leeches and abusers.  But to elevate one over the other... oy!  Haven't you learned from history that this falls under the category of "a very stupid idea"?

One needs to seperate reality from fantasy.  If you wish to live in a world where women are supreme, then in your daily life try to make women feel good about theirselves.  There are many, many ways to do this.  Respect them, be nice to them, be their friends, their lunch-buddies, and even their submissives or slaves.  Though I suspect a lot of them would like to add foot massagers, maids, boy friday, yard boy, car boy, etc..  :) 

But one does NOT need to write a manifesto to make women feel supreme.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 11:27:42 AM   
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Yes, that's an important distinction.

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

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ORIGINAL: fsboy

So let's make a simple definition: A Female Supremacist is a person who wants to live, for real, in a situation in which Women are in charge.



Technically, this definition isn't correct. A Supremacist is someone who believes that a person or, more usually, a group of people, are superior to all other groups based on some attribute(s), either real or perceived. your manifesto isn't saying that, exactly.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 11:42:32 AM   
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Matriarchal social structures I can get behind (this sounded more like what FSBOY is trying to describe than Female Supremacy). The reasons that I don't think I can get behind the concept of female supremacy -do- go back to definition. Many of the individuals that I've met whose philosophical direction has been predominantly Female Supremacy, as opposed to Matriarchal Social Progress, have been insistant that the only purpose for men in the society that they envision is to be at a woman's feet and attending to the dirtiest of jobs that she will not soil her hands with, no matter what that man's thoughts, talents, skill-set, or whether or not he, too, is supportive of the idea that women might deserve an opportunity to try to fix some of the damage of our years of patriarchy.

I can't buy into this. As a pastoral care provider, I have the opportunity to work with people from all walks of life, with a variety of opinions. I've heard ideas that I could embrace from manly men, girly girls, and every step on the continuum from one to the other, including those who prefer not to choose a gender-expression at all. I find it unreasonable that the only valid criteria for judging another's possible contributions rests on that individual's genitalia.

On the other hand, I've spoken with many women who truly feel that, in order to get past the 'stuck" place where we are right now, politically, socially, and communally, we need a -completely- different perspective -- one that would truly benefit from a matriarchal structure, and a greater presence of the different mindset of women in resolving our crisis. THIS I also believe in, and work towards, in ways that do not demean or diminish -any- individual genuinely interested in re-shaping the guiding concepts of our world.

Do SR and I keep male servants -- absolutely, and without a problem. We are pleased to accept their adoration, their willing obedience, their efforts at growth and self-actualization... but we also accept, on the same terms, any member of the continuum of genders, with the same hopes for each of them... that, when all is said and done, they will obtain a greater reward in their own sense of self and the years of expression of ther servitude than even the value of their service to us.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Matriarchal society is not a new concept and has only of late (in the fullness of the world's time, to date) been maligned.

I see no reason for its castigation...  Matriarchal societies have been prosperous and happy in every case I am aware of.

What  I am contributing here is along the lines of ; the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today. 

Nothing other than the obvious.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 12:06:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

First off, I don't mean this as a direct insult to you, so if it's taken that way, I apologize, but as I have been a member, an officer, founder, whatever, of a number of significant femdom and female supremacy organizations, one thing has always fascinated me, and that's the propensity of male submissives to write manifestos about female supremacy.


you may not have meant it as a direct insult but I found your comment but rude and insulting. Just because you have belonged to all of these organizations does not make you the be all, end all, expert with the right to critisize anyone elses feelings. This guy made it perfectly clear he was not declaring himself the leader of the freakin male submissive world, just stating his feelings. At least that is how I read it. I think it took not just a little bit of courage to post those feelings. Your sarcasm was not warranted.


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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 2:45:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

First off, I don't mean this as a direct insult to you, so if it's taken that way, I apologize, but as I have been a member, an officer, founder, whatever, of a number of significant femdom and female supremacy organizations, one thing has always fascinated me, and that's the propensity of male submissives to write manifestos about female supremacy.


you may not have meant it as a direct insult but I found your comment but rude and insulting. Just because you have belonged to all of these organizations does not make you the be all, end all, expert with the right to critisize anyone elses feelings. This guy made it perfectly clear he was not declaring himself the leader of the freakin male submissive world, just stating his feelings. At least that is how I read it. I think it took not just a little bit of courage to post those feelings. Your sarcasm was not warranted.



Sorry you took it that way. Nothing I can do about that.

There was absolutely no sarcasm meant. Nor was there any attempt at indicating that my involvement in these organizations made me any kind of expert. What I was stating was that I am often quite surprised that in most of these organizations it's rarely the women involved who write manifestos of female supremacy, but it's usually the men. Every now and then I would run across one written by a woman, but it was usually the men writing them.

And I'm as guilty of this as the rest of them, as I've been responsible for no small number of "manifestos" on female supremacy over the years as well.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 6/30/2006 2:47:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

First off, I don't mean this as a direct insult to you, so if it's taken that way, I apologize, but as I have been a member, an officer, founder, whatever, of a number of significant femdom and female supremacy organizations, one thing has always fascinated me, and that's the propensity of male submissives to write manifestos about female supremacy.


I thought that was a bit arrogant. Yes, you've been involved in these groups but I wonder if you actively support them. hmmm or maybe its just that they don't meet YOUR agenda. I think that is what it is. That makes me wonder why you'd even make such a comment to another man. I think its great that he has the courage to even post this here.



Sorry to hear you feel that way about me, but perhaps it's better to know that now than later.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 7/1/2006 11:03:26 AM   
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Very nice post fsboy.  Very well put.  I think that is a veiw of FS can accept on some level.


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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 7/2/2006 12:02:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fsboy:
So let's make a simple definition: A Female Supremacist is a person who wants to live, for real, in a situation in which Women are in charge.


--First let Me say that I enjoyed reading your manifesto/writings but I do think that it's not really about female supremacy. It's more about matriarchy and people being in consensual Female-led relationships and lifestyle. "Matriarchy Manifesto" is more appropriate. I think that many use the term 'female supremacist' because there's not really a good word to describe someone who believes in matriarchy and the female-led lifestyle. I've being using the term "Female-led" alot lately in my writings and I have seen other websites on that topic that say the same things you are saying.


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What I'm calling for.....A movement to make life easier and more manageable for all of us. A movement that helps us figure out how to meet one another, how to recognize kindred spirits,


--There are several munches across the country that promote Femdom/malesub and meet. Ever hear of the organization Club FEM? http://www.clubfem.com . There is also a book and society about the Female-led lifestyle and several good yahoo groups.


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and most importantly, how best to live in a world that is at best puzzled by us, and at worst hostile to us.......We should think about how to carve out our own psychic spaces in this world...


--I am in the planning stages of creating a real matriarchal community in the south for people to live together who believe in the Female-led lifestyle between a Woman and man. It will also be environmentally friendly and peaceful.

If anybody is interested, send a message to me privately and I'll tell you more.

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 7/2/2006 2:28:13 AM   
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Friends often point to an ancient golden age in which women ruled, and peace was the norm rather than an exception. We need to return to that time, if we can, in the same way we need to return to nature. That's not the sort of argument I'm making here. I don't know if such a golden age existed, or how we could return to it if it did. I can't imagine that in today's world, anything coming close to such a return is even remotely possible.



Of course such a golden age existed.  Cleopatra ruled, and peace was the norm,  It was the norm because she had both male and female slaves at her beck and call jumping at her every whim.  She was orgasmically happy, because all were there to pleasure her.  The world is always at peace when a female is sexaually satisfied :)
Ok~that was just a little sense of my sarcasm.  On a much more honest note~in my opinion~supremacy, wether it be white, male or female, is not a good idea,  Sure communites exist, but never will they be a Utopia. Just as BDSM lifestyles are not a Utopia.  You've always got someone on the outside looking in in disagreement, which causes conflict within and outside of the unit. Supremacist I am not, I never make any male submit to me.  Dominant and in control of my surroundings, that I am.  Men are all my equals until I allow them to submit.  I would have to agree with Domina Lisa in saying "Female-led" as opposed to Female supremacy.    

Very good post though, and glad to see you took the intitiative to post it.
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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 7/2/2006 5:26:47 PM   
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I personally do not go for either male or female supremacy.  I think either can be dominant or submissive, and either can have good sense or have poor judgement chuckles. 

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RE: A gentle Female Supremacy Manifesto - 7/6/2006 12:30:07 AM   
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I agree with Bladeswing There is a very big differance in a Matriarch and a Supremist.
A Woman who rules a family or Dominates a group or is a respected Woman ruler Or a Old Feisty Large Breasted Woman is far from a Woman who feels she is superior to All based off Her sex.
Cleopatra was not a Supremist, She was a Matriarch.

Im a Matriarch in My life not a Supremist.
What I hear you discribe in this manifesto is
a Matriarch.
Id like to add that not all Female Supremists have anything to do with alternate lifestyles such as BDSM.


Now having said all this, any boys or gurls who do beleive in Female Supremacy and having not been able to find such in their life can send their tributes to Me  a Matriarc instead to cure what ever ails you to My PayPal  ~smiles really REALLY big.~


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