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NuevaVida -> Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 8:56:14 PM)

First, my disclaimer. The Mister and I have talked and are continuing to talk about this topic, and are basically leaving no stone unturned with regards to how I’m processing things. So this isn’t a question of advice, but of seeking to discover how others have maneuvered, and maybe I can learn some insight along the way.

That said, he has transferred his job up here, and we’re in the process of merging our households (Yay!). He is selling his house, and the plan is to buy a house up here for us to live in. He is buying the house, and we will both make a home together.

To my own surprise, I had a very hard time adjusting to the concept of him buying the house and me….well…contributing in other ways while saving my money. I’m talking pretty short of screaming and gnashing of teeth. He has been the epitome of patient while I’ve processed and worked out my fears, concerns, and incredible discomfort with the idea of not paying the mortgage. Again, we’ve talked this through, and it’s (mostly) not an issue for me now.

For me, what it boiled down to was an issue of pride and value. As I’ve posted here over the years, I was in a 20 year marriage in which I was the one relied upon for income and support. In fact, in that marriage, money was pretty much the only thing I contributed that he enjoyed and valued (he otherwise didn’t like me very much). Add to that, I have never been financially supported since I was 18 years old. I’ve always paid my way, and during times of hardship when I’ve had to borrow money, I quickly repaid my debt.

So for me, it was a combination of pride and of hmm…questioning what I’d be contributing? If I’m not being relied on for income, then what am I bringing to the table? Add to that a concern of, if he’s buying the house, will I feel like a guest in it once I’m living there? And then a big whammy - - If I’m not paying for it, I’m not in control. Yes! Control! In an M/s relationship! But there you have it. That’s what I found myself struggling with.

Meanwhile, he just wants to take care of me, and to see me rebuilding the nest egg I lost in my divorce (I’ll continue to work).

There have been no concerns at all about how we’ll interact and adjust relationship-wise, once we’re finally under one roof. We’ve evolved together rather wonderfully over the years, and both of us are confident that we’ll continue to do so with this big positive change coming our way.

So now that I’ve worked past the bulk of my money-related issues, I started wondering how others handled their merging of households.

Did one person handle all the mortgage/rent payments? If so, was it strange to let go of that?

Did the person making the payments prefer it that way? Did he/she feel more in control as a result? Were there resentments?

Did the person being supported feel vulnerable as a result? Was it an adjustment to feel financially supported?

Were other household expenses shared?

Did both people work? (or all people, if a poly situation)

Were there other financial concerns that came into play?

I understand finances is a pretty personal topic, and I don’t recall seeing other threads about how it felt to be supported financially, or how it felt to support someone else financially. Maybe because it’s a personal topic. Or maybe nobody really had concerns about it! But I appreciate any contribution.

Again, the issues I wrote about have been talked about and worked through, and he knows I’m starting this thread to see if there’s a gem of insight that might contribute to my own internal brain churns, while he and I continue to talk.




Winterapple -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 9:35:34 PM)

We're just now getting to the merging of households
and finances stage. I admit I have trepidation and anxiety
about it. This doesn't have anything to do with not trusting
him or his judgement. It stems from issues I struggle with
related to my parents divorce. But when we are under one
roof it'll be in both our names and we'll both be paying for
it.




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 10:32:54 PM)

Congratulations on merging [:)]

Crazy how anxieties can have nothing to do with our current relationships and everything to do with the past. For me the trick is recognizing that and trusting not only his judgment, but trusting myself, as well, in the present day.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 10:39:35 PM)

What a fantastic group of questions, Nueva

Yes, he pays all the bills, but then he has money control. To say this was a huge adjustment for me is an understatement. Like you, I've always worked and contributed my share and often then some.

The biggest issue was in the feeling 'taking care of,' which should be a great feeling with someone you love, but it made me very uncomfortable for (okay I admit it) years.

Because I no longer 'have' to make money, I get to pursue what I enjoy. Currently I am working on some writing projects that have me thrilled.

Take it slow and steady, and you will eventually adjust to the lose of power, and may even come to enjoy it, as I have.




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 10:44:02 PM)

Thanks for your encouraging reply, Chatte. I was hoping I wasn't the only one out here who had ever felt that way. It was pretty surprising to me to finally reach what we've been working for, for years, and to feel those emotions that came up - that was unexpected.

Yeah, discomfort in being taken care of, go figure. But then it was a huge adjustment for me even at the beginning, when he insisted on things like opening my door, etc. Baby steps, eh?




myotherself -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 11:08:47 PM)

Master and I are in the process of selling our respective homes and merging our money...and lives [:D]

We plan to pool our money and use it to pay mortgage, bills and savings. However this is the first time in my life that I've never had control of 'my' money and it's giving me sleepless nights too. I know it'll be a good thing in the long term (I'm pretty crap with money, to be honest and he's much, much better) but the adjustment is an issue for me.

I'm feeling your pain, that's for sure!




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 11:16:37 PM)

Congratulations to you, as well, myotherself! Like you, I've never been great with money, but I've managed lol. For me it's been more an issue of what I'm actually contributing then, that's been the issue, and I'm working through that one.

Wishing you more restful nights. [:)]




seekingreality -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 11:42:30 PM)

You ask some good questions. Here are some points I would make:

1. There is nothing wrong with one person buying a house and allowing another to live in it. You just need to be aware that it's his house, and he can ask you to leave at any time. So you should aside some money in case that ever happens and you need to leave quickly.

2. I think you need to make sure that he is really okay with you not paying for utilities or other expenses, and this won't become an issue down the line. If it is important for you to make a financial contribution, I think you need to openly discuss that with him.




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/26/2013 11:51:54 PM)

Thanks, Seeking. In our talking, talking and more talking, we've covered those topics and then some. Now that we've talked things out I was interested in how others did things, and how people have adjusted to similar scenarios. :)




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 2:18:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: seekingreality

You ask some good questions. Here are some points I would make:

1. There is nothing wrong with one person buying a house and allowing another to live in it. You just need to be aware that it's his house, and he can ask you to leave at any time. So you should aside some money in case that ever happens and you need to leave quickly.



Not true in most Western countries.

While it's true that the home owner can ask somebody not on the mortgage to leave, they can't do this on short notice once residency is established.
At that point they need to give a reasonable notice (usually at the very least one month, sometimes a lot longer) before they're able to insist that you leave (in which in most cases they still can't physically kick you or your stuff out).

Just because you live in a house that's in somebody else's name doesn't mean that you can be put out in the street overnight.... which isn't to say that planning for the potential of that happening isn't a good idea anyways.




areallivehuman -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 3:28:08 AM)

I moved my girl in about a year and a half ago. She faced some of the same issues, namely, an insistence that she be allowed to contribute to the expenses. I simply told her to leave her money in her checking account, and that account would be our new roof savings account. She is free to use her own money as she sees fit; knowing it has to be saved, she doesn't spend it frivolously. I also allow her to buy groceries most of the time, while I take care of the mortgage and utilities.
Turned out her debt load was a bit higher than we anticipated, but she'll be in better shape in another 6-8 months. Perhaps Nueva, you can assume certain monthly bills, or groceries, so you can feel you're contributing, and bank the rest of your money, knowing it is there to be used by the family as necessary.




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 5:25:24 AM)

Thanks, arealivehuman. We've discussed and worked out that option, as well, regarding what I can contribute to, and I will also be saving to rebuild my nest egg.

It's interesting that your girl had similar concerns. Is she now feeling like the house is her home? Or does she feel like a guest in it?




theshytype -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 6:47:55 AM)

A few years ago, my husband transferred to Kansas.  I stayed behind due to the kids.  So, for a year,  we had separate residences and paid our "own" bills.  Once we found a place in Kansas and I moved over, something changed and he took over all the bills.  Everything had always been 50/50 since day one until that move. 

I did have feelings of guilt but realized it was something he loved doing.  He never had the ability before.  He struggled in the beginning and I was, for a good portion, the one with more income and a steady job. 
I still contribute in other ways (groceries and kids needs are my responsibility) so I don't feel worthless.
I know my situation is different.  Because of a piece of paper, I'm entitled to half of everything regardless.  Still, those concerns were there. I had always been in control of the bills, paying them from a mutual account. It was something I never thought I could relinquish control of (I am a control freak when it comes to certain things). Turns out, I quite enjoy not having control over them anymore!

If I were in your exact situation I, personally, would not want to be in charge of the mortgage if my name were not on it and I wouldn't want my name on it unless I was by myself or carried that piece of paper.  That could create a huge headache should the relationship fail.  I'd feel strange at first, but over a short time I'd get over it and be thankful for the nest egg I built.  

I've lived in a hotel, apartments, rental homes, my own homes, and they all felt the same.  Whether I owned them or not, they still felt like my home because that's where I lived with the people I loved.  I see your situation no different.  You may not own it, but it's still your home.  I think, over a short amount of time, you'll feel the same.




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 7:55:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: theshytype

I've lived in a hotel, apartments, rental homes, my own homes, and they all felt the same.  Whether I owned them or not, they still felt like my home because that's where I lived with the people I loved.  I see your situation no different.  You may not own it, but it's still your home.  I think, over a short amount of time, you'll feel the same.

Thank you for sharing, theshytype. What you wrote here was a good reminder of what I knew but seemed to be forgetting. I'm adding it to my brain churnings. :)

Home is where the love is.




kalikshama -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 11:28:37 AM)

NuevaVida, are you two married? I'm going to reserve my comments on the mortgage issue until I know.

My man is extremely generous. I'm used to being in 50:50 relationships or carrying more financial weight, so I'm uncomfortable with it, and assiduously reciprocating in other ways. (This does not include sex :P )




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 12:17:26 PM)

No we are not married. He's selling his house and transferred his job to my area to be together.

My interest in this thread though, is how others felt in similar (or different) situations. He and I have talked already about married vs non married, and our thoughts on both.

My discomfort is similar to what you expressed, as I've always carried the financial burden and this is a big paradigm shift for me.




mnottertail -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 12:18:38 PM)

And to have the basis we need here. You rent? Or own? And how much you got in the bank?




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 12:29:25 PM)

I'm guessing you need my account numbers, too, Ron? [8D]




mnottertail -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 12:37:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

I'm guessing you need my account numbers, too, Ron? [8D]



Nah, but it helps to know if you rent or own, and are you hurtin, ok, or well off in the bank.

That will make a difference in how you should feel and what you should do.

But thanks, that was kinda hawt.




NuevaVida -> RE: Moving, money and mortgage (8/27/2013 12:46:01 PM)

Heh glad you enjoyed.

I rent, and make a good income. Lost my house and nest egg in divorce and have been rebuilding. But I'm quite comfy making ends meet.

He owns, and does fine, too. There's not a financial crutch or need or dependence in either direction. Together we will be very comfy. The idea is he will buy the house and I will save, contribute to some utilities and extras, and have some fun money.

And shoes. I told him I'll probably buy more shoes lol.




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