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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 7:55:41 AM   
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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 9:35:40 AM   
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Far more? Really? Three. That's it. Three? That's all you need to extrapolate to the whole? You have just made yourself irrelevant with your blinders.

Who wrote anything about the whole? What I wrote "Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?" yachtie demanded proof I provided said proof. I really have no idea what you're arguing about.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 9:37:04 AM   
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Separate but equally stupid.




Slow week in wingnut land. Nothing from Bachmann or Palin.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 9:38:20 AM   
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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 9:47:06 AM   
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Far more? Really? Three. That's it. Three? That's all you need to extrapolate to the whole? You have just made yourself irrelevant with your blinders.

Who wrote anything about the whole? What I wrote "Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?" yachtie demanded proof I provided said proof. I really have no idea what you're arguing about.


Maybe it's your attempt to paint all of their followers as violent?

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 9:56:56 AM   
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Far more? Really? Three. That's it. Three? That's all you need to extrapolate to the whole? You have just made yourself irrelevant with your blinders.

Who wrote anything about the whole? What I wrote "Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?" yachtie demanded proof I provided said proof. I really have no idea what you're arguing about.


You wrote it. And then, you just quoted it.

"...whose followers have a well documented history..."

That's as bad and wrong as saying that followers of Islam/Catholicism have a well documented history of violence. Is it true? Not exactly. Are there followers of Islam/Catholicism/Beck/Jones that have a history of violence? Yes. Not acknowledging that it's only some followers, and just saying "followers" extrapolates it to the whole. Same horseshit as accusing the Tea Party of being racist.


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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 9:57:50 AM   
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Far more? Really? Three. That's it. Three? That's all you need to extrapolate to the whole? You have just made yourself irrelevant with your blinders.

Who wrote anything about the whole? What I wrote "Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?" yachtie demanded proof I provided said proof. I really have no idea what you're arguing about.


Maybe it's your attempt to paint all of their followers as violent?



That's pretty much as how I took it. Of course, I'm damnably mistaken as I'm sure I'll be corrected.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 10:09:04 AM   
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That's pretty much as how I took it. Of course, I'm damnably mistaken as I'm sure I'll be corrected.

I'm sure you're appropriately frightened by the idea.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 10:37:17 AM   
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Far more? Really? Three. That's it. Three? That's all you need to extrapolate to the whole? You have just made yourself irrelevant with your blinders.

Who wrote anything about the whole? What I wrote "Glenn Beck and Alex Jones whose followers have a well documented history of violence?" yachtie demanded proof I provided said proof. I really have no idea what you're arguing about.


You wrote it. And then, you just quoted it.

"...whose followers have a well documented history..."

That's as bad and wrong as saying that followers of Islam/Catholicism have a well documented history of violence. Is it true? Not exactly. Are there followers of Islam/Catholicism/Beck/Jones that have a history of violence? Yes. Not acknowledging that it's only some followers, and just saying "followers" extrapolates it to the whole. Same horseshit as accusing the Tea Party of being racist.


I don't know how many times I'll have to write this, only read what I write. Do not add words. Do not imagine I wrote whatever crazy shit you'd like to argue against.

There is no way to read what I wrote to make it say "all" followers.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 10:42:20 AM   
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I don't know how many times I'll have to write this, only read what I write. Do not add words. Do not imagine I wrote whatever crazy shit you'd like to argue against.
There is no way to read what I wrote to make it say "all" followers.


Neither did you say "some" followers.

I don't have to imagine you writing crazy shit to argue against.


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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 10:44:16 AM   
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Must I go over the real history of these guys ?



Anything to get the subject away from the incompetence of this administration, right?

But you can't specify that incompetence.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 10:50:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Whose followers have a well documented history"
Whose: possessive form of who
followers: plural meaning someone who follows a leader
have: verb meaning to possess or hold
a: singular article
well: adverb roughly synonymous with fully
documented: means that evidence exists
history: things that happened in the past

NONE OF THOSE WORDS MEANS OR IMPLIES "ALL"

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 10:58:50 AM   
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"Whose followers have a well documented history"
Whose: possessive form of who
followers: plural meaning someone who follows a leader
have: verb meaning to possess or hold
a: singular article
well: adverb roughly synonymous with fully
documented: means that evidence exists
history: things that happened in the past
NONE OF THOSE WORDS MEANS OR IMPLIES "ALL"


Correct. Not a single one of those words means or implies "all."

However, whose followers have a history can mean "some followers of that person/place/thing have a history" or "all followers of that person/place/thing have a history."


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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 10:59:29 AM   
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But you can't specify that incompetence.



LOL. I point it out on a regular basis.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 11:14:31 AM   
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NONE OF THOSE WORDS MEANS OR IMPLIES "ALL"

Really?

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followers: plural meaning someone who follows a leader

By selecting a group without specifying a subset you implied "all".

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 11:43:19 AM   
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NONE OF THOSE WORDS MEANS OR IMPLIES "ALL"

Really?

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followers: plural meaning someone who follows a leader

By selecting a group without specifying a subset you implied "all".



That's pretty much as how I see it. Of course, I'm damnably mistaken as I'm sure I'll be corrected.


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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 2:32:42 PM   
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"Whose followers have a well documented history"
Whose: possessive form of who
followers: plural meaning someone who follows a leader
have: verb meaning to possess or hold
a: singular article
well: adverb roughly synonymous with fully
documented: means that evidence exists
history: things that happened in the past
NONE OF THOSE WORDS MEANS OR IMPLIES "ALL"


Correct. Not a single one of those words means or implies "all."

However, whose followers have a history can mean "some followers of that person/place/thing have a history" or "all followers of that person/place/thing have a history."


No, it simply means more than one follower has a history of violence. That is it.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 2:33:22 PM   
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People were hoping for better than Bush. We didn't get it. Not by a long shot. Matter of fact, appears the Nobel Peace Prize is looking to be the War Prize. Not surprising, when transparency is spelled secrecy.

OK, widely known I'm no fan of Obama and a huge fan of open government. But still, I remember digging into that the last time there was a brouhaha about who was visiting. I don't remember details but I remember walking away satisfied that those exclusions were reasonable and sensible although they certainly could be abused. I wanted to come to a different answer but I could not.


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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 2:34:47 PM   
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NONE OF THOSE WORDS MEANS OR IMPLIES "ALL"

Really?

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followers: plural meaning someone who follows a leader

By selecting a group without specifying a subset you implied "all".

Wrong. What I wrote is all I meant. More than one of those people's followers have been violent due to the things those guys said. Go back and look again and again at the words I wrote. Look up all the definitions. None mean or imply all.

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RE: War is Peace (Orwell, 1984) - 8/31/2013 2:54:21 PM   
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"Whose followers have a well documented history" is to be regarded as "means more than one follower has a history .... That is it."


Really now, imagine saying "The General, whose troops have a well documented history ..." means only "more than one of his troops has a well documented history ..."

The stupid, it burns.

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