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Phydeaux -> Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/2/2013 11:47:58 PM)

Cause: Obamacare.
The Longshoreman oppose Obamacare; Oppose the AFL-CIO.

Duh.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/01/Citing-Obamacare-40-000-Longshoremen-Quit-the-AFL-CIO




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 12:51:43 AM)

Well, gee, if Blight-fart says it, it must be so. Right? Really, is this newsworthy?
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DaddySatyr -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 1:15:04 AM)

Apparently the Longshoremen aren't the only ones unhappy with ObummerCare. Many don't have the political clout to go off on their own but I wonder how the Union vote will go in 2016?



Regards,



Jimmy Hoffa




Lucylastic -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 4:12:11 AM)

Here is the actual letter sent to Richard Trumka President of the AFL-CIO

http://www.scribd.com/doc/164542066/ILWU-Disaffiliation-8-29-2013

yanno just to bring facts to the table




Zonie63 -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 4:26:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, gee, if Blight-fart says it, it must be so. Right? Really, is this newsworthy?
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Actually, quite a number of news services are carrying this story, so I think it's safe to assume that it's true that the Longshoremen have broken off with the AFL-CIO. If it happened, then it happened. It doesn't matter who the messenger is.




tweakabelle -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 4:37:02 AM)

So, it turns out Obamacare is one relatively minor part on a long list of longshoremens' complaints, and that their particular complaint is more about a broken promise by Obama re taxing the health care reform than the reform itself.

Could the OP have been more misleading if it tried? Invariably, when someone from the far Right mentions union activity supportively, there's some serious chicanery in there somewhere. Thanks for exposing it Lucy




Lucylastic -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 4:54:20 AM)

something about breitbart puts me into search mode, it helps with the hives i get from reading it.
skeeevy place




tweakabelle -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 5:09:54 AM)

I've tried wearing gloves and disinfecting the keyboard but that wasn't as successful as I hoped for ........

That means the problem must lie with the website.[;)]




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 5:24:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, gee, if Blight-fart says it, it must be so. Right? Really, is this newsworthy?
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So.... you are blaming the source?




thompsonx -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 5:37:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, gee, if Blight-fart says it, it must be so. Right? Really, is this newsworthy?
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So.... you are blaming the source?


Only for it's failure to report the truth.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 5:44:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

Well, gee, if Blight-fart says it, it must be so. Right? Really, is this newsworthy?
[sm=binky.gif]


Actually, quite a number of news services are carrying this story, so I think it's safe to assume that it's true that the Longshoremen have broken off with the AFL-CIO. If it happened, then it happened. It doesn't matter who the messenger is.

It happened but not for the reasons stated by Brietbart. The health care situation only received passing mention toward the end of the letter. The reason for leaving seems to be that the parent union is competing against the longshoremen and in some cases even crossing their picket lines as scabs.

Unfortunately, some folks don't know how to read a letter.




Lucylastic -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 5:44:34 AM)

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FatDomDaddy -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:00:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It happened but not for the reasons stated by Brietbart.



Huh.... what say Brietbart say was the reason???

Let's see... they reported "The ILWU President made it clear they are for a single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy and are upset with the AFL-CIO for going along with Obama on the confiscatory tax on their "Cadillac" healthcare plan"

The piece then goes on to say "The Longshoreman leader said, "President Obama ran on a platform that he would not tax medical plans and at the 2009 AFL-CIO Convention, you stated that labor would not stand for a tax on our benefits." But, regardless of that promise, the President has pushed for just such a tax and Trumka and the AFL-CIO bowed to political pressure lining up behind Obama's tax on those plans."

It then goes on to point out the ILWU's dissatisfaction with immigration.

At the end is... brace yourself, I know it may be hard to accept, ILWU President Robert McEllrath actually spelling out why they are breaking with AFL-CIO on C_SPAN. You seem to want to ignore that part.

I wonder why?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:02:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy



Huh.... what say Brietbart say was the reason???


Did you read the fucking headline?

"Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO" in HUGE font




Lucylastic -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:11:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It happened but not for the reasons stated by Brietbart.



Huh.... what say Brietbart say was the reason???

Let's see... they reported "The ILWU President made it clear they are for a single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy and are upset with the AFL-CIO for going along with Obama on the confiscatory tax on their "Cadillac" healthcare plan"

The piece then goes on to say "The Longshoreman leader said, "President Obama ran on a platform that he would not tax medical plans and at the 2009 AFL-CIO Convention, you stated that labor would not stand for a tax on our benefits." But, regardless of that promise, the President has pushed for just such a tax and Trumka and the AFL-CIO bowed to political pressure lining up behind Obama's tax on those plans."

It then goes on to point out the ILWU's dissatisfaction with immigration.

At the end is... brace yourself, I know it may be hard to accept, ILWU President Robert McEllrath actually spelling out why they are breaking with AFL-CIO on C_SPAN. You seem to want to ignore that part.

I wonder why?


THe letter does not say the bolded part''''' But, regardless of that promise, the President has pushed for just such a tax and Trumka and the AFL-CIO bowed to political pressure lining up behind Obama's tax on those plans."


this is a snippet of the appropriate part....

Someone is spinning


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Yachtie -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:12:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

So, it turns out Obamacare is one relatively minor part on a long list of longshoremens' complaints, and that their particular complaint is more about a broken promise by Obama re taxing the health care reform than the reform itself.




Obamacare is not the sole why of it by a long shot, but neither is it a minor part as Tweak (marginalizing?) says, as this statement (the letter, p.3) demonstrates -

"The federation has not stood its ground on issues that are most important to our members." (enhancement added)




Lucylastic -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:17:53 AM)

And yet, there are two pages full of other information, two sentences on the taxed health care plan and then ANOTHER paragraph on more issues.


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tweakabelle -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:18:56 AM)

quote:

Let's see... they reported "The ILWU President made it clear they are for a single-payer, nationalized healthcare policy and are upset with the AFL-CIO for going along with Obama on the confiscatory tax on their "Cadillac" healthcare plan"

The piece then goes on to say "The Longshoreman leader said, "President Obama ran on a platform that he would not tax medical plans and at the 2009 AFL-CIO Convention, you stated that labor would not stand for a tax on our benefits." But, regardless of that promise, the President has pushed for just such a tax and Trumka and the AFL-CIO bowed to political pressure lining up behind Obama's tax on those plans."

It then goes on to point out the ILWU's dissatisfaction with immigration.

At the end is... brace yourself, I know it may be hard to accept, ILWU President Robert McEllrath actually spelling out why they are breaking with AFL-CIO on C_SPAN. You seem to want to ignore that part


I read the same piece but came away with a completely different understanding.

The main reason stated by the ILWU, clearly outlined in a complete paragraph of its own at the top of its list complaints, related to an inter-union dispute. A further series of lesser complaints - of which taxing health care reforms was one (note: not Obamacare itself) - followed lower down in the letter bundled together in a paragraph or two.

Isn't it odd that the main reason for the ILWU's departure wasn't even mentioned in your rendering of the ILWU's reasons for leaving? Could that be because, in your words, "You seem to want to ignore that part"? It doesn't do anything to help your personal campaign against Obamacare, does it?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:21:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

So, it turns out Obamacare is one relatively minor part on a long list of longshoremens' complaints, and that their particular complaint is more about a broken promise by Obama re taxing the health care reform than the reform itself.




Obamacare is not the sole why of it by a long shot, but neither is it a minor part as Tweak (marginalizing?) says, as this statement (the letter, p.3) demonstrates -

"The federation has not stood its ground on issues that are most important to our members." (enhancement added)

Something tells me they could live with the Obamacare a lot better than their parent union actually crossing their picket lines and filing Unfair Labor Practices complaints against them in court.




Yachtie -> RE: Longshoreman break with AFL-CIO (9/3/2013 6:23:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

And yet, there are two pages full of other information, two sentences on the taxed health care plan and then ANOTHER paragraph on more issues.



Yes. Most of it was an historical look-back on their affiliation. So what? The healthcare issue is one of the most important issues to the members.

Is there some reason you wish to marginalize that?




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