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BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/13/2013 11:52:31 PM)
You can see this same sort of backwards thinking in the courts. The injured party comes last, the professionals come first and if there is no money left, well that's just too bad. And so yes, I blame legal think for this which is allegedly rational.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/14/2013 12:16:08 AM)
They make it as difficult as possible for the patient and the patient's uncompensated caregiver. They are not of the body.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/14/2013 12:30:05 AM)
This unfortunately degrades both what is achievable and the quality of care. We can do better.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/14/2013 4:14:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM We can do better. My analysis suggests that ObamaCare may work to lower the cost of medical care, but I doubt it will fully address the problem since some of it has to do with illegitimate assumptions the legal system makes. The patient does not have less of an interest than the professionals. The courts I believe regard the interest of the patient as owner's equity. The owner gets what remains after everyone else has had their fill.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/14/2013 4:43:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM They make it as difficult as possible for the patient and the patient's uncompensated caregiver. They are not of the body. What I am saying here is that the needs of the patient and the patient's uncompensated caregiver to use a term used in economics are regarded as externalities.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/14/2013 4:54:46 PM)
Owner's equity is an externality. The owner of the corporation is thought to have control of the corporation and is therefore responsible for its demise. This is not a reasonable assumption as illness is concerned. We do not control whether or not we are going to get sick. Though it could be argued that we are not entirely without control the degree of control we have does not satisfy the definition of control used by accountants.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/14/2013 5:02:19 PM)
The system as I've pointed out overtly punishes you.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 5:59:42 PM)
I wrote someone I know the following entitled "ObamaCare on Long Term Care": "Please notice ... that Medicare does little for you when you require long term care. That she has Medicare means little. This is something I was aware of when you were not. ... He doesn't want to hear from me again. His politics clouds his judgment. I say no to politics. Politics is not concerned with truth. If ObamaCare attempts to address the problem in the future it is going to confront the following problem. If it was about saving money, the percentage of money spent on long term care will go up though the amount of money put out in total will decrease. Long term care was jettisoned for a reason. It is the one arena where ObamaCare, the methodology, is unlikely to succeed in. The proponents for ObamaCare are not proponents of life though they claim to be. When life becomes inconvenient, they prefer death. The truth shook his world.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 7:16:27 PM)
At the rehab center/nursing home I shook things up to ensure she received the care she needed. The residents gave me respect so as to thank me. There are people who work there who do all they can, more than they have to. It is my understanding that there were days long ago when it was worse than it is now. There is much room for improvement, however. As was pointed out in the election the ObamaCare methodology was not the property of the Democrats nor Obama the Republicans nonetheless fought against it. Regardless, more than one approach is going to be needed to bring this beast down. Hopefully, ObamaCare was a step in the right direction. The assumptions made by the legal system need to be addressed among other things. It is wrong for the patient and the patient's uncompensated caregiver to be regarded as an externality. But how does this happen? Surely, naive common sense says this cannot be.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 7:25:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Surely, naive common sense says this cannot be. There is a tendency when a thing is difficult to see to dismiss it as unreal. It is as Plato described it. The truth lies in the shadows and in objects that you cannot grasp.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 7:39:11 PM)
When a doctor writes out a prescription, it is a meta-action. It is not an action per se. The distinction may seem subtle, but it is an important one. It is a meta-action because it is about the patient and the keyword here is about. Only what the patient or caregiver does is an action. The actions of the majority of the professionals who take care of you are meta-actions, not actions. This fact puts the patient and their caregiver on the outside. It makes you an externality and not of the body as absurd as that may seem. It is a tendency that must be fought, not encouraged. The legal system on the other hand likes things that make sense. On the inside things make sense. Those things that come from the outside don't. As such the legal system is a disservice to the patient. Stated in another way, the legal system has a systemic bias towards insiders. Stated in yet another way, the legal system concern itself too much with making sense as ironic as that may seem. There is a relationship between opposites. It makes so much sense that it makes no sense at all.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 7:46:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Surely, naive common sense says this cannot be. There is a tendency when a thing is difficult to see to dismiss it as unreal. It is as Plato described it. The truth lies in the shadows and in objects that you cannot grasp. In other words, a world where science and objectivity is King is not a world of reason.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 7:55:23 PM)
In a world of reason we can only take science and objectivity as our mistress.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 8:14:16 PM)
I pointed out in another thread What makes it a war crime? http://www.collarchat.com/m_4536133/tm.htm that a relationship exists between opposites. I pointed out that the Orwellian war is peace is not altogether untrue. A new harmony often brings about a new imbalance. Does the very notion of a war crime, for example, encourage war? It does. Was it intended to encourage war? No. The fact is that it does. It encourages wars which are police actions, but as I pointed out that no war can be regarded as a police action. Instead of having to concern yourself with being stalked by a predator such as a lion, what you get is a world where you are surrounded by cold blooded crocodiles. The more things change, the more they remain the same. So instead of engaging in war on occasion you engage in war continuously, but the wars are less deadly. Half a dozen one or the other has anything really changed? It is the cold war all over again.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 9:31:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Goodness cannot be half baked. It must be so total that it can warp space and time. On this point I am agreement with the Church.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/17/2013 10:41:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM The proponents for ObamaCare are not proponents of life though they claim to be. When life becomes inconvenient, they prefer death. If what I said is untrue, then why were they willing to compromise on this point? Why was this the fault line?

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/20/2013 8:54:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM The proponents for ObamaCare are not proponents of life though they claim to be. When life becomes inconvenient, they prefer death. If what I said is untrue, then why were they willing to compromise on this point? Why was this the fault line? What is troubling is how little money long term costs in reality. I suspect what they are worrying about is that there is a secret the Republicans don't want out. They are murdering people. How can I say it is expensive on one hand say it isn't on another? People who require long term care often die shortly there after and as such it isn't as expensive as they say. They also play games. For example, there are the weeks the patient receives no care. That has got to save them a bundle. There is a lot of false information.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/22/2013 8:00:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I dunno. The modern GOP has several very solid planks in the platform. Do everything possible to repeal Roe vs Wade. Fight all tax hikes. Fight cuts to defense. Fight gun control. Complain that government (i.e., social programs) is too big. Push Christianity. Oppose anything Obama proposes, especially Obamacare. They're deeply torn on immigration and marijuana legalization. If they were to allow Obamacare, that would involve pragmatism over ideology. They're not wired that way. I suspect they're also livid because Obama rammed it through using reconciliation after the GOP refused to discuss Obamacare. Originally from Interesting Take on Obamacare http://www.collarchat.com/m_4550263/tm.htm It could be argued that the fault line was the result of pragmatism over ideology. The Republicans are opposed to ObamaCare and as such it was as much their fault line. The Republicans seem to be suffering from a guilty conscience as they are pro death. They don't really want to fight death. They feel that death is their friend. As I've outlined already there is reason to believe that the exchanges will work, but I do have concerns. As Christianity is concerned I suspect that many overlook how our Lord Jesus Christ has the luxury of being God. We don't. My impression is that the Republican love affair with Christianity is a love affair with death since it is felt by some that a lack of acceptance of death maybe an indicator that you are lacking in faith and if you do not accept the cruelty of the world as legitimate you too are lacking in faith. I do not believe that Jesus was a Buddhist. We must follow the third way not because it is Buddhist, but because it is the truth. Because it is the truth, Jesus spoke of it.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/22/2013 8:04:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Yeah, corporate welfare, and starve and inflict the disease upon the people. Originally from Interesting article from the Cato Institute... http://www.collarchat.com/m_4549256/tm.htm As I said they feel death is their friend.

BenevolentM -> RE: ObamaCare and Making it Work for You (9/22/2013 7:12:03 PM)
The Republicans also feel that it is wrong for the patient to be regarded as an externality. I am uncertain if they feel this way as it concerns the patient's uncompensated caregiver. The problem with the Republican view is that the Republicans believe you are entitled to this benefit only if you paid for it. If you didn't, their answer is drop dead.

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