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Ah but it does have to do with the subject, you see I am talking about violence while you are incapable of seeing more than one small piece of the problem.
In case you didn't notice Australians were the target.
I asked if they had come up with a final assessment of the harm done.
The only thing "obnoxious" about it was that it wasn't about how horrible guns are and how stupid Americans are.
Welcome back, your sock puppet form was getting boring.

Your post was obnoxious and aimed at Tweaks, since you thought Australians had been killed. you fucking made it, not me and not anyone else, so now you own it. Trying to link some tourists getting robbed and killed in PNG has fuck all to do with gun crime in America, not one iota.

For the record I have often said guns should be allowed in the US in certain circumstances, for protection from animals and criminals.
For the record If you think I ever need to be a sock puppet to throw insults your way, you are clearly mistaken.
For the record, I have never said all Americans are stupid.

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Did they get a final count on the number of Australian hikers hacked up with machetes in New Guinea this week

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Go back I never said any Australians were killed.
Of course not any American who says yes your Lordship you know better than us is real bright.
Right just like the English.
No you are quite obnoxious enough on your own so they must use cloning over there.

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US navy Shootings thread, your post #205

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Did they get a final count on the number of Australian hikers hacked up with machetes in New Guinea this week

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Go back I never said any Australians were killed.
Of course not any American who says yes your Lordship you know better than us is real bright.
Right just like the English.
No you are quite obnoxious enough on your own so they must use cloning over there.

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US navy Shootings thread, your post #205

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Did they get a final count on the number of Australian hikers hacked up with machetes in New Guinea this week

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak. Laws were created not change people behavior but to set a social boundary. Murder, rape, robbery, assault are behaviors that happen yet are against the law. Laws provide that if and when a person does violate a law our system has sanctions for it. So my question to pro gun groups is that do they want to ban all laws, then there would be no crime.

The statement that "guns kill people" is correct, after all how does a bullet enter a body? Metamorphosis?

As to the statement that guns influencing people" yes the can, depending on the person, they can be seen as phallic symbols, ego defense, etc.

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak. Laws were created not change people behavior but to set a social boundary. Murder, rape, robbery, assault are behaviors that happen yet are against the law. Laws provide that if and when a person does violate a law our system has sanctions for it. So my question to pro gun groups is that do they want to ban all laws, then there would be no crime.

The statement that "guns kill people" is correct, after all how does a bullet enter a body? Metamorphosis?

As to the statement that guns influencing people" yes the can, depending on the person, they can be seen as phallic symbols, ego defense, etc.

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak.

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak.

I never agreed to any such thing and even after one weak I think criminals would continue breaking gun control laws.

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak.

I never agreed to any such thing and even after one weak I think criminals would continue breaking gun control laws.

But guns are evil creatures with strange mind control powers which, like the force, exert great influence on the weak minded.

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak.

I never agreed to any such thing and even after one weak I think criminals would continue breaking gun control laws.

But guns are evil creatures with strange mind control powers which, like the force, exert great influence on the weak minded.

In another thread you told without a gun you feel like you have less stamina than the average young robber/drug dealer/thief so be forced to avoid a fight, but with your gun you confronted three times some shady character that pollute your neighbourhood, this means that the gun actually changed your perception making you accept a greater danger. I'm not saying you where wrong or whatever I just say that it will probably have the same effect on someone commiting a crime.

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak.

I never agreed to any such thing and even after one weak I think criminals would continue breaking gun control laws.

But guns are evil creatures with strange mind control powers which, like the force, exert great influence on the weak minded.

In another thread you told without a gun you feel like you have less stamina than the average young robber/drug dealer/thief so be forced to avoid a fight, but with your gun you confronted three times some shady character that pollute your neighbourhood, this means that the gun actually changed your perception making you accept a greater danger. I'm not saying you where wrong or whatever I just say that it will probably have the same effect on someone commiting a crime.

I believe he actually wrote something like he doesn't have the stamina to scrap with a younger person for a length of time thus the gun for self defense. And Bama, I think you mean *week* minded. May the force be with you.

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Ok, you were wrong not stupid.
Let me tell you how gun bans work here.
D C enacted a gun ban, and don't tell me but Virginia blah blah blah, the number of crimes with guns dropped a little.
Unfortunately the crime rate doubled all they accomplished was making it safe to rob, murder, and rape with a knife or because the thugs were younger and stronger.
The gun bans only effect was to make life easier for the criminals, I don't care how it works where you are that is how it works here.
Of course if, as the officials in D C clearly did, that preventing one gun murder is worth having a thousand people killed with knives it works.
That wasn't exaggeration they insisted that the few gun crimes they stopped made it worthwhile.

Please check some data, rather than repeating what you heard from someone else. When guns were banned in DC in 1975, crime rates dropped. They went back up after a few years, but remained relatively steady until the crack epidemic got really rolling in the mid-80s. Then, just like in every other city, crime rates skyrocketed. Ultimately, the crack epidemic ended, and crime dropped steadily through the 00s, and is now much lower than it was pre-ban.

To give you an idea - the murder rate in DC was 38.3 per 100k in 1974 (pre-ban), dropped to 26.8 in 1976, and didn't get back up to pre-ban levels until 1988. In 1991, it peaked at 80.6. It's now at 13.9. Despite DC's restrictive gun laws.

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Are you trying to tell me that all the guns in criminal hands will be turned in with no problem because of the civic mindedness of the criminals?

Really?

Australia's buyback program was extremely effective. People will do a lot for money.

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The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak.

I never agreed to any such thing and even after one weak I think criminals would continue breaking gun control laws.

But guns are evil creatures with strange mind control powers which, like the force, exert great influence on the weak minded.

In another thread you told without a gun you feel like you have less stamina than the average young robber/drug dealer/thief so be forced to avoid a fight, but with your gun you confronted three times some shady character that pollute your neighbourhood, this means that the gun actually changed your perception making you accept a greater danger. I'm not saying you where wrong or whatever I just say that it will probably have the same effect on someone commiting a crime.

I believe he actually wrote something like he doesn't have the stamina to scrap with a younger person for a length of time thus the gun for self defense. And Bama, I think you mean *week* minded. May the force be with you.

yes exactly, but like he accepts to challenge bigger and younger thugs because armed with a gun for the same reason a person that intends to support himself with illicit activities will challenge more difficoult targets if profitable, or will use violence in order to avoid complication. In this case the aviability of a tool designed to harm more efficiently like a gun changed the danger perception of the persons, it's not hypnosis but it's presence makes bamad accept a higher stakes gamble as, I wish him this never happens, but the first time he challenges the wrong big time criminal thinking he's just a common thug this will end badly, anyhow, like he said, you don't care how it works in other countries as when you have your gun to defend yourself your live is wonderfull whatever happens around, and from other posts you wrote I feel you also don't care about how other people can be safe even if in their country there is 1/10 of the guns there are in yours. By the way for me your problem are not guns or immigrants or soft judges, but that you live in a society that desn't offer any safety net, this brings that huge amount of drug in your streets (because there whouldn't be so much dealers if there where not a huge number of buyiers) and peoples in your prisons because once you fall you stop only at the bottom.

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Let me explain why American gun owners have a hard time with citizens of the UK telling us what to do about guns.

Some years ago, on the 19th day of April, 700 guys in red coats marched out of Boston with orders to destroy the weapons belonging to the Massachusetts militia at Concord. Now the powers that be had in the past asked the militia to help them deal with bad people, like the French.

But around that time, the powers that be had been passing taxes only meant for the citizens of a land known collectively as the colonies.

Well, make a long story short, this group of militia who had helped the guys in the red coats in the past decided that they were not going to give up their weapons and kicked the shit out of the red coats all the way back to Boston.

Now granted we needed some help from the french, but eventually, this red coat wearing pompous ass got his shit handed to him in a town called Yorktown. He was so embarrassed at losing that he sent a subordinate to hand over his sword while he pouted in his headquarters.

Ever since then, when brits start telling us what to do, we have tendency to get a bit pissed.

Now we have brits telling us if we properly regulated guns, the bad men who commit crimes with guns will eventually not have any guns. I agree there need to be some changes. Actually it would help tremendously if the current laws were enforced uniformly. But for the rest of the British system, nope.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

The agreement by the pro gun groups that gun control laws will not work because criminals will not obey the law is at best a weak. Laws were created not change people behavior but to set a social boundary. Murder, rape, robbery, assault are behaviors that happen yet are against the law. Laws provide that if and when a person does violate a law our system has sanctions for it. So my question to pro gun groups is that do they want to ban all laws, then there would be no crime.

The statement that "guns kill people" is correct, after all how does a bullet enter a body? Metamorphosis?

As to the statement that guns influencing people" yes the can, depending on the person, they can be seen as phallic symbols, ego defense, etc.

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Yes, Britain has strict gun laws that reduce deaths due to guns. But have you looked at their deaths due to bludgeoning? Deaths due to kniving?

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Thank you Eulero.

JLF, gun homicides per 100,000 in the US are 2.97 % In the UK its only 0.7 % Do you want me to do the maths ?