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MrRodgers -> RE: Obamacare...ask the capitalist. (9/26/2013 7:33:55 AM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Now we know of all of the nightmares associated with single-payer health care. All they can do is charge you about 1/2 and make you live 3-4 years longer. I have always felt that if you want to know what's really happening, i.e., the truth about how large economic issues are acting in and...being addressed in the marketplace.
Consulting the capitalist not directly invested, who has a much more dispassionate view because unique to the American corp. world, one often has to make a choice. Be say for example a car company that sells cars for a profit or be a health care buyer who sells cars to pay for health care. Chevrolet recently opened a plant in Canada rather than resurrect one in Detroit for rather obvious reasons in addition to what ? The health car question.
Now read the truth about Canadian health care. Here
Government spending in the US is already more than half of all health care spending in the US. How will adding more people to that system result in less spending? The Cleveland Clinic cut spending and let a whole bunch of people go for 3 reasons: Ohio hasn't expanded Medicaid, insurance companies are pressuring them to accept lower payments, and Medicare payments are being reduced. How is the system going to work to reduce the cost of care, when this is what hospitals are going to face? Is expanding Medicaid going to do that much to keep those jobs? Imagine what would happen if the "Doc Fix" Bill wasn't passed.
The cost of care, that is, the cost for a procedure in the US is higher than the cost for that same procedure in other countries. If lowering reimbursements from insurance companies and Medicare is already having an impact, how are we supposed to believe that single-payer is going to fare better? Procedure cost has to be reduced. The only other way to reduce overall health care spending is to reduce the number of procedures. Focusing on preventive care will help reduce the number of procedures some, and will shift some of the procedures necessary from more expensive ones to less expensive ones, but it won't cut overall spending by 50%.
Man you are right on the money. We in America and as I've written, uniquely in America patients (customers/citizens) exist for a profit. What most don't understand is under a single payer, govt. program practitioners must compete. For example, Germany has 200 insurance cos. all competing for business, this causes for example as in Japan head & shoulders MRI is $100, in America $1500. You think that holds down premiums ? Trouble is of course that Americans don't want to admit that we have created a greedy business culture.
What word would you use to describe the difference I use the word greed. Canadian doctors are limited to $200,000/yr. Now that doesn't mean like most of the greedy set, that he goes to jail if he makes more.NO, he is taxed at a higher rate. A very close relative is a surgeon and $200,000+ per year just wasn't enough. So he had to add specialist services (not really) just wanted to and to take advantage of his specialty (thoracic surgery) and is now up to $400-$500,000 a year.
Medicare being billed for 4 blood tests that never occurred, medicare being billed $20,000 for a check-up and $80,000 for a small outpatient procedure. I call that greed, what do you call it ?
Oh BTW, OBAMACARE ??? Reduces govt. medical outlays $100 billion/yr. and that's just for starters. The whole problem is about 100 years old. Put govt, in the practice of paying for anything whether it be medical procedures or a new jet fighter...greed takes over because the capitalist sees the govt. coming and rapes it.
I much rather have the fed. govt. as my payer for my services because I am free to gouge it. I can't gouge my paying customers...they're broke. I want the govt. to pay for all cars. next day...I am in the car business because I'll make millions...off the govt,
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