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ORIGINAL: joether

I actually find a number of intelligent and educated people, regardless of their political view to suck at grammar and spelling (myself included). I've also found the same when it comes to public speech.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Have you ever heard of Oklahoma City, Americans don't need guns to commit evil acts.

Well duh....I never said they did. Interesting though that some of those defending guns have to keep going off topic or name calling to get a point across.

I have yet to see anyone of you argue with facts and figures.

First that is inaccurate, we just don't come up with facts and figures you like.
Second as has been proven here repeatedly anyone can find a survey that "proves" their point.
Third Oklahoma city is not off subject, it was illustrating a point.
In along with my previous point, that when you eliminate firearms the U S still has a higher murder rate than the UK (not a point of pride to be sure) is to point out that our society is much different and more violent than yours.
Most of our crimes are caused by drug money fueled gangs. Moving to more primitive weapons only increases their power. Since those are facts which do not promote gun control they are dismissed by non Americans and by some Americans who want the easy solution of blaming an inanimate object when the real problem is feral teens and gangs.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I cant recall you ever posting facts, from a reputed unbiased website, which prove me wrong. Most of those posting facts on gun crimes which mention the UK use websites run by gun owners or similar associations.


First an unbiased site is one that agrees with you.
Second a society which has had virtually no chance in murders, murders with guns perhaps, but not murders in general is of zero importance in this conversation.
Third Are you assuming that anyone who owns a gun is unreliable?
That would be like me saying that the fact that you do not own a gun invalidates everything you say and I AM NOT SAYING THAT

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Since this is suppose to be about the 2nd Amendment here is something interesting.

http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/2013/09/26/second-amendment-often-misrepresented/

And I did not write this article.

As I pointed out in my last post you can find a link to "prove" anything.
This post unless you are predisposed to believe it to the kool aid level is completely irrational.
PS it also contradicts your favorite misconception concerning slavery.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Since this is suppose to be about the 2nd Amendment here is something interesting.

http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/2013/09/26/second-amendment-often-misrepresented/

And I did not write this article.

As I pointed out in my last post you can find a link to "prove" anything.
This post unless you are predisposed to believe it to the kool aid level is completely irrational.
PS it also contradicts your favorite misconception concerning slavery.

Does not contradicts my conceptions, adds to it.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Since this is suppose to be about the 2nd Amendment here is something interesting.

http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/2013/09/26/second-amendment-often-misrepresented/

And I did not write this article.

As I pointed out in my last post you can find a link to "prove" anything.

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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Since this is suppose to be about the 2nd Amendment here is something interesting.

http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/2013/09/26/second-amendment-often-misrepresented/

And I did not write this article.

As I pointed out in my last post you can find a link to "prove" anything.

I also find it amusing that this supposed expert has a glaring error in the 3rd paragraph. "For example one can own military style weapons, but cannot own a machine gun." I was going to say that perhaps he can't get a machinegun, depending on what state he lives in, but he lives in PA. The Federal government hasn't made MGs illegal, just costly and requiring a specific permit. I know for a fact that PA allows class 3 firearms, including belt-fed MGs. I've seen plenty of MGs for sale, all it takes is an application, a squeaky clean record, time, and money.

I haven't read the rest of the article yet. When someone gets something that simple wrong right at the beginning, I tend to lack faith in the rest of what they have to say. Maybe I'll finish it later.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Granted much crime is caused by also caused by drug gangs, but for that our murder rate would be even lower. I have never blamed guns per se, just the assault type rifles and the ease with which guns seem to be obtainable. I have also said people living in rural areas needs guns for protection.


Another understandable misconception.
In this country you are more likely to be killed by a baseball bat than a rifle of any kind.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I cant recall you ever posting facts, from a reputed unbiased website, which prove me wrong. Most of those posting facts on gun crimes which mention the UK use websites run by gun owners or similar associations.


First an unbiased site is one that agrees with you.
Second a society which has had virtually no chance in murders, murders with guns perhaps, but not murders in general is of zero importance in this conversation.
Third Are you assuming that anyone who owns a gun is unreliable?
That would be like me saying that the fact that you do not own a gun invalidates everything you say and I AM NOT SAYING THAT

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ORIGINAL: treat4u1954

You are kidding!? More homicides by baseball bat than rifle of any kind? Gibberish -- debate and disagree over facts, not utter ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

I also find it amusing that this supposed expert has a glaring error in the 3rd paragraph.

Most of the references posted by Nosathro have considerable humor value, and the error you are pointing out is only the least of the one's at that link.

Bergmann explained that most scholars agree that the part about the militia is written first because it was the most important aspect of the amendment. It gave the right to regulate militias to the national government. In a way, this was an early predecessor to the National Guard... When the National Guard was created, the issue of owning a gun for a militia is eliminated, so the question of individual gun ownership becomes the focus of the Second Amendment.

This is, of course, complete and utter bullshit.

Such a reading fails to note that the Framers used the term "militia" to relate to every citizen capable of bearing arms, and that Congress has established the present National Guard under its power to raise armies, expressly stating that it was not doing so under its power to organize and arm the militia. ~Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, 97th Congress

Heller's finding of an individual right confirmed the consensus of legal scholars.

The Court reached this conclusion after a textual analysis of the Amendment, an examination of the historical use of prefatory phrases in statutes, and a detailed exploration of the 18th century meaning of phrases found in the Amendment... Finally, the Court reviewed contemporaneous state constitutions, post-enactment commentary, and subsequent case law to conclude that the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms extended beyond the context of militia service to include self-defense. ~S. Doc. 112-9 - Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis, and Interpretation

In other words, that link is just more of his magic math.

K.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Granted much crime is caused by also caused by drug gangs, but for that our murder rate would be even lower. I have never blamed guns per se, just the assault type rifles and the ease with which guns seem to be obtainable. I have also said people living in rural areas needs guns for protection.


Another understandable misconception.
In this country you are more likely to be killed by a baseball bat than a rifle of any kind.

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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Since this is suppose to be about the 2nd Amendment here is something interesting.

http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/2013/09/26/second-amendment-often-misrepresented/

And I did not write this article.

As I pointed out in my last post you can find a link to "prove" anything.

I also find it amusing that this supposed expert has a glaring error in the 3rd paragraph. "For example one can own military style weapons, but cannot own a machine gun." I was going to say that perhaps he can't get a machinegun, depending on what state he lives in, but he lives in PA. The Federal government hasn't made MGs illegal, just costly and requiring a specific permit. I know for a fact that PA allows class 3 firearms, including belt-fed MGs. I've seen plenty of MGs for sale, all it takes is an application, a squeaky clean record, time, and money.

I haven't read the rest of the article yet. When someone gets something that simple wrong right at the beginning, I tend to lack faith in the rest of what they have to say. Maybe I'll finish it later.