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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 8:21:06 PM   
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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 8:43:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, good line ser, but all i am saying is that when the topic title has "religion" in it, and maybe a third of religions are non-linear as opposed to any stuff that led to Dubba Dubba style Christendom (including Roman Beliefs), then to answer from a perspective limited to beliefs limited to linear chronological thinking means the post cannot be a proper answer to my own post.




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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 8:45:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SerWhiteTiger

God save us from linear thinking.


I nominate this for Sunny Quote of the Day. . . .

For NoBimbosAllowed: I get what you're saying, believe it or not. Which is why we don't really know what goes on in the minds of those who belong to organized religions, every one of which would appear to have its own mystical sect or branch of mysticism (e.g., Charismatics, Kabbalists, Sufis, twirling Dervishes, etc. Hare Krishnas have a bad rap so I won't include them here; God forbid I open another can of worms.)

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 8:53:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		uh, no, completely off the planet from any point that could have applied to my own, and again, you have limited your reply to people from near the Byzantine or East of the Byzantine.

Thus COMPLETELY ignoring major religious political groups from FAR west of that, WHITE FOLKS, in fact, such as the Goddodin, from when before Cymry (aka Wales) and Alba (aka Scotland) where separated.

AND the pre Christian Irish.

THus you point and reply falls down like Joan Rivers slipping in a puddle from her own malfunctioning "depends" diaper.

You went COMPLETELY "americano-centric' here despite thinking your weren't, and also your point is completely prejudiced to less than 3000 years of history, and thus in the interest of 'religion',

FAILS.

The INTENT of your post, however, SUCCEEDS AND WINS.

which is faith over religion as an object lesson.


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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 8:55:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you don't believe in God and a judgment of your actions then what the hell do you have to be depressed about? What you do in life means nothing if after death there is only oblivion... but everything if you have faith.

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 8:57:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"If you don't believe in God and a judgment of your actions then what the hell do you have to be depressed about?'

If you're a bimbo from Sex In the City, the answer is "a lack of a man I do not care about whom I can con into buying me crappy over priced shoes and handbags, and the fact that my thighs are not thin enough to be acceptable in a nude shot on some third rate reality TV show, and btw, I am a Stehen Fry approved Atheist.'

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 9:04:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes...I can understand your reasons for depression...but we religious get the double whammy... We are depressed at times by our worldly situations just as you... and... on top of that the depressive thought of our day of reckoning to boot.

ps...We also get to experience the spirituality of the soul through the mind and church that more than offsets the occasional guilt and depression. Even if not true I am better off in life with the belief that there may be something besides the hell of oblivion at my death.

Butch

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 9:13:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Butch, I think you misread my post. I am not depressed (though I can become depressed at the appropriate circumstances as cited by real doctors as opposed to louts and media-tapeworms such as 'Dr. Phil').

I am also NOT an "agnostic", nor am I an atheistic.


and yet I am not beholden to snake-charmers or lovers of Golden Tablets living in Utah.

The limits of USA experience of religion, as per this thread, are not the limits of religion, OR Faith, compadre.

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 9:16:08 PM   
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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 9:17:15 PM   
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I wasn't aware that this thread was intended to cover a comprehensive history of comparative religions or else I would have brought up the Heretic Akhnaten and Zoroastrianism.

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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed

your point is completely prejudiced to less than 3000 years of history, and thus in the interest of 'religion'


No, the Charismatics are Catholics. Last I heard we have many of them right here in the U.S. As for Protestant Mysticism, there are Pentecostals and Quakers, which I left out so as to not start a dispute on the validity of that assertion. I didn't think Mystery Cults west of Byzantium were contemporary enough to mention--don't believe there have been any more bona fide active members for a number of centuries.

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you have limited your reply to people from near the Byzantine or East of the Byzantine.

Thus COMPLETELY ignoring major religious political groups from FAR west of that, WHITE FOLKS, in fact, such as the Goddodin, from when before Cymry (aka Wales) and Alba (aka Scotland) where separated.

AND the pre Christian Irish.


Are the Goddodin related to the Druids, in all seriousness? Never heard of them before. There was a council of wise elders in Britain called the Witenagemot, but as far as I know they weren't considered a religious group. I don't want to derail this thread, so you can message me privately if you wish.

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 9:23:18 PM   
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"The limits of USA experience of religion, as per this thread, are not the limits of religion, OR Faith, compadre."


I make nor made any limits on your religion or lack of one...I only meant to say atheists have less to be depressed about because they do not have to worry about their salvation...Plain and simple I should think.

Butch

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 9:57:42 PM   
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What you do in life means nothing if after death there is only oblivion... but everything if you have faith.


This is the stupidest thing I've heard in months.


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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 10:01:31 PM   
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Even if not true I am better off in life with the belief that there may be something besides the hell of oblivion at my death.


No, that's just the indoctrination talking. As someone who's experienced both ways I can assure you that the grass is greener on this side of the fence.



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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 10:28:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Are the Goddodin related to the Druids, in all seriousness? Never heard of them before. There was a council of wise elders in Britain called the Witenagemot, but as far as I know they weren't considered a religious group. I don't want to derail this thread, so you can message me privately if you wish. "

No, people who don't know crap about Celtic beliefs mistake the EUROPEAN Druids with the animistic and complex beliefs of the Clannadhs west of there. This is not to say you don't know crap about many things, but your are replying from a cursory scan of non Christian stuff which frankly means your comments as per replies to my own mean nada.

True or false: you knew "St Angus" and "St. Brigid" were in fact PAGAN Irish gods, subsumed by the vatican, before I mentioned it here, yes or no?

because if the answer is "no", considering the beliefs and depressions of the Irish people and how they FORMED much of the backbone of the USA and Canada work culture and in fact much of the law Enforcement culture of both countries. And the pre-Christian NON LIMITED TO CHRISTIAN OR ROMAN moronic linear crap led to much of the psychology of said peoples, as proven by the fact that they were never willing to give up the Goddess Brighaid ('bridget') or God of Good Sex and Poetry Aengus Mac Ogh ("angus').

The Goddodin had jack crap to do eith the Druids, again, looking to the druids as a reply to comments about non-Roman based theologies in what is now called the UK is lazy. Sorry, it is. And no, I'm not going "private" because yes, this DOES pertain to the title and topic of the thread. Simply because you don't want top emotionally engage with material tat basically implies that if you limit your scope to anything based on "good behaviour and obedience equals a good afterlife" lock-step stuff, doesn't mean I am off topic. It's like doing a math contest where you want to use only even numbers because they appeal to you and ignore all 1's, 3's, and 9's.

No go.



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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 10:50:12 PM   
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No, I didn't, but quite frankly I don't know much about Catholic saints since I'm Protestant. I did know, however, that St. Patrick was an early Christian before the advent of the Catholic Church, so this info doesn't surprise me.

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True or false: you knew "St Angus" and "St. Brigid" were in fact PAGAN Irish gods, subsumed by the vatican, before I mentioned it here, yes or no?


And you're right. I am too lazy to read all XCII verses of The Gododdin Poems by Bard Aneurin from The Four Ancient Books of Wales, so I shall depart with the opening verse:

Of manly disposition was the youth,
Valour had he in the tumult;
Fleet thick-maned chargers
Were under the thigh of the illustrious youth;
A shield, light and broad,
Was on the slender swift flank,
A sword, blue and bright,
Golden spurs, and ermine.
It is not by me
That hatred shall be shown to thee;
I will do better towards thee,
To celebrate thee in poetic eulogy.
Sooner hadst thou gone to the bloody bier
Than to the nuptial feast;
Sooner hadst thou gone to be food for ravens
Than to the conflict of spears;
Thou beloved friend of Owain!
Wrong it is that he should be under ravens.
It is evident in what region
The only son of Marro was killed.

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 10:52:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

As someone who's experienced both ways I can assure you that the grass is greener on this side of the fence.

Because, of course, everybody is just like you.

K.

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/6/2013 11:04:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, despite your petulance, at least you now realize that yes, your reticence to check out OTHER RELIGIONS THAT HELPED FORM YOUR COUNTRY and the culture that raised you (since half of protestantism is but a reaction to catholicism) and no you have taken one step towards having the stones to post what you posted in your first reply.

Now read a bit more, spend 50% of the time you've spent being po'd here and using that time to be looking up some stuff about the folks we've bantered about, and you'll be well-dressed to attend the party in which religion and depression is THOROUGHLY discussed.

and btw, passive aggressive as compared to direct debate is "wild turkey" compared to Glen Fiddich whiskey. Or bargain ground chuck compared to filet mignon.

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/7/2013 3:14:55 AM   
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I have 4 main sources I receive information. The Bible, prayer, a growing living church with a anointed minister mastering in religious studies, and the everyday teachings of this anointed woman.

I understand that these may be helpful sources of spiritual guidance, but I don't see any of them as a factual source for the scientific/medical question of what causes the illness of depression.



The medical community nor scientists can pinpoint the complexity of depression and treat it with success with all individuals. It would be great if there was the magic pill but we all know there is not one. The spiritual health of an individual is every bit as important as their physical health, probably even more so. There is no surgery or science t fix it because it is invisible. We are much more then a physical body.
Lets say we could make it visible using seeds for an example. We plant two seeds in the ground of equality in all ways, with the same benefit of good soil andsun. One we feed on a regular basis, we fertilize it, prune it, and water it. The other we deny water to and don't fertilize it either. One will obviously grow much larger and healthy then the other. Basically if our thoughts were considered seeds, one must consider which thoughts do we feed?
One can not see thoughts they are also invisible, so wouldn't it make sense that it is possible that the solution could also be invisible.


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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/7/2013 3:17:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		excellent points.

also the importance of separating circumstantial depression from chemical-depression cannot be underscored heavily enough.

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RE: religion may cause depression - 10/7/2013 9:55:04 AM   
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No, that's just the indoctrination talking. As someone who's experienced both ways I can assure you that the grass is greener on this side of the fence.


Believe me GotSteel I can understand your disillusionment with religion...or religions. I would bet the Pope, if honest with himself, has had moments of doubt. I myself wonder how an all powerful God would allow some of the tragedies and atrocities to befall his children. I have also been bitter with the death of love ones despite my prayers. But even with doubts something inside me, not indoctrination, keeps my faith alive. I happen to believe this something is important and a power that has shaped this world and will continue to do so even if you do not believe in its existence.

I do respect your non belief and understand where it comes from. I personally think a final judgment will not depend on belief in religion or a God or Gods but only in your actions in life. So my bottom line is the grass can be just as green on both sides of the fence.

Otherwise it is not really important if some believe and some do not the results will be the same in the end... If there is no afterlife we will both rest equally and if there is, and we are good people, we will both be judged equally. Being good people is what's important not religion.

Butch

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