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jlf1961 -> A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 3:54:38 PM)

Is your health care system so overwhelmed that the critically ill are put on waiting lists for life saving procedures and more often than not die before they can get treatment?




PeonForHer -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 4:04:57 PM)

No. It's straining and there are many complaints, but I wouldn't say it's that bad.




Politesub53 -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 4:29:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Is your health care system so overwhelmed that the critically ill are put on waiting lists for life saving procedures and more often than not die before they can get treatment?


No not generally, but its getting worse with waiting lists in certain areas. Where I live there is a high population of elderly people, so there is a wait for some types of operation. Delays are seen as a downside most of us are okay with, in order to provide a fully inclusive health service.

Here are some facts on Cancer from last December.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20763860

You need to remember the NHS caters for everyone in the UK, quicker treatment is still available privately though if thats what one requires. Add to that there is no clamour for the NHS to become fully privatised by any of our major parties, or the population in general.




Yachtie -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 4:46:53 PM)


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treatment is still available privately though if thats what one requires.



How is that handled?




Politesub53 -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:01:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

treatment is still available privately though if thats what one requires.



How is that handled?


Anyone can walk into a private hospital and ask to be seen. i




DomKen -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:06:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

treatment is still available privately though if thats what one requires.



How is that handled?

You simply pay cash up front.




DomKen -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:07:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Is your health care system so overwhelmed that the critically ill are put on waiting lists for life saving procedures and more often than not die before they can get treatment?

Are they delaying your surgery?




Yachtie -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:08:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

treatment is still available privately though if thats what one requires.



How is that handled?

You simply pay cash up front.



Interesting. And if one does not have the cash?




Politesub53 -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:13:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Interesting. And if one does not have the cash?


Then you wait your turn like the rest of us, as I said before its a price we pay for inclusivity.....

I would just like to add that "private" doeant always mean better. Whats more than common is NHS surgeons also work in private hospitals. The only difference then are better food and quicker surgery. The NHS also send people privately in some cases, mainly due to the stupidity of our governments fetish with targets.




Yachtie -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:16:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Interesting. And if one does not have the cash?


Then you wait your turn like the rest of us, as I said before its a price we pay for inclusivity.....




I do hope the irony is not lost on you.




Politesub53 -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:19:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
I do hope the irony is not lost on you.



It seems if there is any irony being lost on anyone, it isnt me. Did you fail to read what I said about inclusivity ?




Yachtie -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:22:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
I do hope the irony is not lost on you.



It seems if there is any irony being lost on anyone, it isnt me. Did you fail to read what I said about inclusivity ?




[sm=rofl.gif]




jlf1961 -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:24:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Is your health care system so overwhelmed that the critically ill are put on waiting lists for life saving procedures and more often than not die before they can get treatment?

Are they delaying your surgery?



No, the reason for the question is the statements made by conservatives that people are dying in Canada because they are on waiting lists for life saving procedures, medicines, etc. So I decided to go to the horse to find out if they are seeing this kind of situation.

My kidney procedure is scheduled for November, which is no problem. All the delays in my treatment did not have to do with insurance, doctor availability, it was a transportation issue on my end. Since got a pass on the back problem keeping me from driving a normal vehicle, the situation has changed dramatically, although after the latest ct scans, the specialist is unsure if it is a cancerous tumor or a benign one, there has been no change in size in over 18 months. I still want it removed, so that is what we are going to do.




Lucylastic -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:29:03 PM)

hmmmmmm better a wait than not getting it at all
untill its emergency surgery


PS Jlf
Depending on the surgery...hers a link for the ontario wait times http://www.waittimes.net/Surgerydi/en/PublicMain.aspx
rural areas have longer wait times but considering ontario is bigger than texas, ...well you get it
I cant talk for wait times for less populated provinces




Lucylastic -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:36:42 PM)

the province wide wait for urinary cancer surgery is two months,
toronto is between 21-38 days.




Politesub53 -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 5:37:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
I do hope the irony is not lost on you.



It seems if there is any irony being lost on anyone, it isnt me. Did you fail to read what I said about inclusivity ?




[sm=rofl.gif]


Forgive me for not getting your point, although making one would have been helpful. [8|]




DomKen -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 6:01:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Is your health care system so overwhelmed that the critically ill are put on waiting lists for life saving procedures and more often than not die before they can get treatment?

Are they delaying your surgery?



No, the reason for the question is the statements made by conservatives that people are dying in Canada because they are on waiting lists for life saving procedures, medicines, etc. So I decided to go to the horse to find out if they are seeing this kind of situation.

My kidney procedure is scheduled for November, which is no problem. All the delays in my treatment did not have to do with insurance, doctor availability, it was a transportation issue on my end. Since got a pass on the back problem keeping me from driving a normal vehicle, the situation has changed dramatically, although after the latest ct scans, the specialist is unsure if it is a cancerous tumor or a benign one, there has been no change in size in over 18 months. I still want it removed, so that is what we are going to do.

Unfortunately I'm something of an expert on kidney diseases.
Are you having regular checks of your BUN and Creatinine? If those are going up that is a bad sign.
Also is your blood count stable? Kidneys make a hormone vital to red blood cell production. So if you are getting anemic tell your PCP or nephrologist to give you epo.
You also might want to start taking a vitamin D supplement. The kidneys are also involved in vitamin D synthesis.

If you have any of high blood pressure, diabetes or are simply overweight a single kidney may not be able to handle the load or may be too damaged to do it. Make damn sure you get regular tests of your kidney function after the surgery. If you're aggressive about it you might avoid dialysis and trust me you want to avoid dialysis.




dcnovice -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 6:04:07 PM)

FR

On the topic of wait times: When I was diagnosed with diabetes, the average wait for an appointment with a local endocrinologist was three months. Right here in the U.S. of A.




jlf1961 -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 6:17:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Is your health care system so overwhelmed that the critically ill are put on waiting lists for life saving procedures and more often than not die before they can get treatment?

Are they delaying your surgery?



No, the reason for the question is the statements made by conservatives that people are dying in Canada because they are on waiting lists for life saving procedures, medicines, etc. So I decided to go to the horse to find out if they are seeing this kind of situation.

My kidney procedure is scheduled for November, which is no problem. All the delays in my treatment did not have to do with insurance, doctor availability, it was a transportation issue on my end. Since got a pass on the back problem keeping me from driving a normal vehicle, the situation has changed dramatically, although after the latest ct scans, the specialist is unsure if it is a cancerous tumor or a benign one, there has been no change in size in over 18 months. I still want it removed, so that is what we are going to do.

Unfortunately I'm something of an expert on kidney diseases.
Are you having regular checks of your BUN and Creatinine? If those are going up that is a bad sign.
Also is your blood count stable? Kidneys make a hormone vital to red blood cell production. So if you are getting anemic tell your PCP or nephrologist to give you epo.
You also might want to start taking a vitamin D supplement. The kidneys are also involved in vitamin D synthesis.

If you have any of high blood pressure, diabetes or are simply overweight a single kidney may not be able to handle the load or may be too damaged to do it. Make damn sure you get regular tests of your kidney function after the surgery. If you're aggressive about it you might avoid dialysis and trust me you want to avoid dialysis.



The procedure is called an ablation, they are going to remove the tumor and nothing else, this is because the tumor is actually less than a centimeter in size.

I get blood tests every three months since the growth was discovered, kidney function is a bit impaired, but not so bad as to require anything drastic, basically every time I got a new CT scan.

Had my shrink take me off an anti depressant that was also an appetite stimulant due to the weight gain, since I was doing so good at losing weight.

I have changed my eating habits so drastically that some people are wondering if I am the person I say I am and not some pod critter. Pizza is once a month, I allow myself a small bag of chedder and sour cream potato chips a week, one soda a week, a couple of mixed drinks occasionally, and nothing deep fried.

Taking vitamin and mineral supplements, walking more, drinking close to a gallon of water a day.




DomKen -> RE: A question for Canadians, Brits and any other citizen of a country with nationalize health care (10/5/2013 6:33:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The procedure is called an ablation, they are going to remove the tumor and nothing else, this is because the tumor is actually less than a centimeter in size.

That is a relief. Good luck with the ablation. I've heard good things about that. Did you get a needle biopsy?





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