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Phydeaux -> RE: Suing over not wanting to pay $18/month for health insurance! (10/28/2013 1:14:29 PM)
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Tazzy hadn't responded yet.
Your agreement with leonine's description certainly does show that I wasn't putting words into your mouth at all.
Do you believe a person has a right to receive something they can't pay for, based solely on need? That is, they can demand it be provided to them without any promise of reimbursement for the service or product based solely on need?
I am guessing you dont include the right to have a standing army ready to protect your nation, or an efficient police force, or justice sytem, or civil works such as transport, water and sewage. None of which your tax even begins to cover.
Bingo, Polite! There is no right to a standing army. Authority was granted to government (by the People) to raise a standing army.
Police force, justice system and all the civil works are all reasons we have a government, but, not a single one of those things is an actual right.
Actually 'police force', and 'justice system' are rights covered under the 2nd Amendment. "A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary for the SECURITY of a FREE STATE,..." Ever heard of that line? Yeah its the first half of the amendment that 99.99999999% of conservatives forget exists. Yeah, the founding fathers didn't have much use for six or eight lane highways back in the late 18th century. How well could the USA operated without highways in 2013, DS? How do canals, roads, rail, and airports help the economy in the nation, DS? How about if we just got rid of them; how well would the country run in the next ten years?
As the United States rose up, many of the ideas and concepts of the founding fathers simply never explained how to approach different situations. They said that future generations of Americans would know how best to keep the nation going. Or are you one of those 'limited intelligence and wisdom folks that 'unless its spelled out' we cant do it' types? Go find me in the US Constitution or the Federalist Papers were it states you can be on the internet, DS.....
The US Government evolved from its starting point. If you have a problem with that, then its safe to say you have a problem with every company, military organization, charity, and religious group in America. They all started with meager resources and flourished with time. The sort of logistical frame work they started is simply not the same as the current incarnations. Over time, rules, ideas, and events changed the entity. Right now, we do not consider black people as slaves, do we? Or that women are not allowed to vote? Or that we can just get on an airline without anyone checking us or our luggage? These are all pivotal moments in US History that the founding fathers could never have predicted. So the concept of our government changed.
You seriously underestimate the founding fathers.
While the founding fathers did not have I-95 - they understood the necessity of trade, and so made provision for the regulation of trade between the states. It is under the framework they created that things like the interstate highway system were created.
And while they didn't forsee women voting, they did put in place a mechanism to allow the modification of the constitution.
what they crafted was do so well that in 200 years we have only seen fit to amend it a couple of dozen times.
As for slavery - it was an issue they fully understood but could not solve - and in this case they believed the creation of the country was more important. And this too, eventually was resolved and ratified into the constitution.
The constitution doesn't concern itself with the internet, or the Apollo program.
Rather, it is a framework for how we govern ourselves. What things (internet, Apollo program) the government can do; and what things it can't. What things are left to the states, and what things fall upon the people - or the federal government.
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