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Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/3/2013 11:40:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Its not just money.

Following article details how the heart rending story of how a California woman will be denied access to the doctors that have kept her alive with stage 4 cancer for 7 years.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304527504579171710423780446



Or http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/03/obamacares_widening_disconnect_120547.html#ixzz2jf03sxJf Follow us: @RCP_Articles on Twitter" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">84 year old widow

Where an 84 year old widow has her insurance increased from 3600 to 6400 a month.



Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/3/2013 11:41:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Its not just money.

Following article details how the heart rending story of how a California woman will be denied access to the doctors that have kept her alive with stage 4 cancer for 7 years.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304527504579171710423780446



Or http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/11/03/obamacares_widening_disconnect_120547.html#ixzz2jf03sxJf Follow us: @RCP_Articles on Twitter" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">84 year old widow

Where an 84 year old widow has her insurance increased from 3600 to 6400 a month.


Or Debra Kleinhoffer in Chicago - whose premium went from $145 to 650.




thompsonx -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/4/2013 3:14:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Its not just money.

Following article details how the heart rending story of how a California woman will be denied access to the doctors that have kept her alive with stage 4 cancer for 7 years.

You have mentioned many times that life is not fair...what is the problem[8|]



Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:17:17 PM)

I've no problem with life being not fair.

However, institutionalizing it, ie., making it a federal program to make life more unfair, is neither wise nor legal.

"We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice and ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare , and ensure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.



mnottertail -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:20:22 PM)

OH, not so, see the SCOTUS rulings on the equal protections clause, that are pretty unfair to some folks.   



Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:22:02 PM)

So CBS News reports:

QSSI (the contractor for obamacare) has a data tab widget that daily shows the numbers of enrollments.

So despite the administration saying the numbers are unavailable, time after time after time - its just another lie. The numbers are available - and contractors who participate in the daily war room meetings confirm that the numbers are available and discussed daily.

Another lie brought to you by the most transparent administration, ever.



thompsonx -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:24:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I've no problem with life being not fair.

However, institutionalizing it, ie., making it a federal program to make life more unfair, is neither wise nor legal.


You constantly blather on about personal responsibility and how life is not fair . Now you want us to cry with you over some percieved injustice to some poor person. Pardon me if I find your concern for the poor less than believable.

"We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice and ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare , and ensure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.


Funny bout that "promote the general welfare" shit...why is it that you are bitching about it?



thompsonx -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:27:23 PM)

However, institutionalizing it, ie., making it a federal program to make life more unfair, is neither wise nor legal.


The congress "elected "by we the people says it is legal, the scotus appointed by those we the people "elected" say it is legal...so what is your issue?



Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:28:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OH, not so, see the SCOTUS rulings on the equal protections clause, that are pretty unfair to some folks.   


Ron, I have to hand it to you. Only you, with a straight face, could say that EQUAL protection is unfair.

My congratulations. Have you considered political office?



thompsonx -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:30:29 PM)

"We the people, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice and ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare , and ensure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

There are some who claim that the preamble is not part of the constitution so I am glad that you are on record as agreeing that it is part and parcel of the constitutioon.
Now about that promote the general welfare shit. It would appear that the aca is fulfilling that pledge.



Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:30:51 PM)

Oh - and this just in:

In California, officials announced that a major insurer - Blue Shield of California Life and Health Insurance Co - has agreed to allow 115,000 state consumers who had been notified of cancellations to keep their lower-priced policies through the first quarter of next year

How is this even legal? Of course what does the administration care about that.

Delay the employer mandate
Grants for congressmen
Sure - hell why not allow an illegal delay...



thompsonx -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:35:09 PM)

I've no problem with life being not fair.

However, institutionalizing it, ie., making it a federal program to make life more unfair

You might want to run this by a grammar teacher it seems to be self contradictory.
ie:"I have no problem with life being not fair".
followed by
"however...making it more unfair"
is something you disaprove of.[8|]
roflmfao



mnottertail -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:36:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So CBS News reports:

QSSI (the contractor for obamacare) has a data tab widget that daily shows the numbers of enrollments.

So despite the administration saying the numbers are unavailable, time after time after time - its just another lie. The numbers are available - and contractors who participate in the daily war room meetings confirm that the numbers are available and discussed daily.

Another lie brought to you by the most transparent administration, ever.


yeah, gonna doubt it, couldnt find it, nevertheless say such a thing is true, and with all the fucking howling and shitting your pants you are out here doing over tech troubles and incompetence, here you are saying this tab is counting like the chads down in florida, spot on.

Yeah, no. Epic Fail.



thompsonx -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:37:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OH, not so, see the SCOTUS rulings on the equal protections clause, that are pretty unfair to some folks.   


Ron, I have to hand it to you. Only you, with a straight face, could say that EQUAL protection is unfair.

My congratulations. Have you considered political office?


Scotus also rueled that seperate but equal was also not equal...funny shit dat.



mnottertail -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:41:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OH, not so, see the SCOTUS rulings on the equal protections clause, that are pretty unfair to some folks.   


Ron, I have to hand it to you. Only you, with a straight face, could say that EQUAL protection is unfair.

My congratulations. Have you considered political office?


I got to hand it to you, you havent got a kindergarden reading comprehension level.

SCOTUS is pretty much a political office, and they are the ones saying equal protection aint, and you can make laws to fuck over certain classes of people with a rationale for it, to your hearts content.

But you go girl, you can learn to read.  There is a program.  Comprehension, there is nothing to do for you there.



Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:44:32 PM)

The Times is reporting

"Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, said that only three residents of her state had enrolled in health plans through the federal exchange as of Oct. 29. "

Three.



mnottertail -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:46:34 PM)

Senator Lisa Murkowski is a worthless cunt with no clue or veracity.



mnottertail -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 12:48:40 PM)

FR~   For the people that couldn't pass the test to ride the short bus.

Federal Communications Commission v Beach (1993), the Court went so far as to say that economic regulations satisfy the equal protection requirement if "there is any conceivable state of facts that could provide a rational basis for the classification."  Justice Stevens, concurring, objected to the Court's test, arguing that it is "tantamount to no review at all."   

The Court applies a middle-tier scrutiny (a standard that tends to produce less predictable results than strict scrutiny or rational basis scrutiny) to gender and illegitimacy classifications. 



Phydeaux -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 1:24:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So CBS News reports:

QSSI (the contractor for obamacare) has a data tab widget that daily shows the numbers of enrollments.

So despite the administration saying the numbers are unavailable, time after time after time - its just another lie. The numbers are available - and contractors who participate in the daily war room meetings confirm that the numbers are available and discussed daily.

Another lie brought to you by the most transparent administration, ever.


yeah, gonna doubt it, couldnt find it, nevertheless say such a thing is true, and with all the fucking howling and shitting your pants you are out here doing over tech troubles and incompetence, here you are saying this tab is counting like the chads down in florida, spot on.

Yeah, no. Epic Fail.


OH hell, no. I think you can pretty much discount anything this administration says the moment he says it.

You know - like if you like your health insurance, you can keep it.
Or... that red line in Syria.

So while I certainly know that the number will be politicized (like it already has been for failure to release) all I'm noting is the number is available. Claims to the contrary are false.

Look. The administration published numbers about enrollments - remember 5 million enrollments the first day - (subsequently changed to 4.7 million). They just didn't release the real enrollment because its a disaster.



mnottertail -> RE: Pink Slips for Health Insurance (11/6/2013 1:34:36 PM)

Oh, and you are the fellow who has never got one right to date, you think we should bet on you having the inside track on this one?

Whats the odds, it dont matter, I bet against.  I like betting sure things. 



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