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No sex in Japan... - 10/25/2013 6:11:43 PM   
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I found this an interesting read. I can understand their point actually.

Being a foreign woman in Asia, it's like being close to completely invisible. The foreign men generally have "yellow fever" (or are soldiers here for a one year stint and just looking for a little piece on the side - not my style), and the Asian men are usually working so many hours or (by requirement) drinking with their work buddies that dating is just "meh". When I go back to the west, though, all of a sudden I become visible and I'm like, "whoa... who turned on the lights?"

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RE: No sex in Japan... - 10/25/2013 7:29:32 PM   
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RE: No sex in Japan... - 10/26/2013 4:56:38 AM   
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This is so effed up. I don't even know where to begin. I will say one thing, whatever trends start in Japan end up in Korea a decade or so later, as much as the Koreans would hate to admit they are ever influenced by the Japanese. (At the current rate of technological advances, much sooner) The Asian mindset is so driven to succeed by unrelenting family pressure and socio-economic factors that I see this as a youth rebellion. But instead of being any kind of cohesive movement, it is a disturbing form of social disconnect, specifically a disconnect from intimacy. Per The Guardian article: [number-tagged in sequential order]

"Getting back to basics, former dominatrix Ai Aoyama – Queen Love – is determined to educate her clients on the value of 'skin-to-skin, heart-to-heart' intimacy.{5} Aoyama says the sexes, especially in Japan's giant cities, are 'spiralling away from each other'. Lacking long-term shared goals, many are turning to what she terms 'Pot Noodle love' – easy or instant gratification, in the form of casual sex, short-term trysts and the usual technological suspects: online porn, virtual-reality 'girlfriends', anime cartoons. Or else they're opting out altogether and replacing love and sex with other urban pastimes.{1}

"Japanese-American author Roland Kelts...says the need to escape into private, virtual worlds in Japan stems from the fact that it's an overcrowded nation with limited physical space. But he also believes the rest of the world is not far behind.{4}

" The World Economic Forum consistently ranks Japan as one of the world's worst nations for gender equality at work. Social attitudes don't help."{3}

IMO, below is a telling sign that Japanese youth don't want to grow up and subconsciously desire to stay perennially childlike. Boomerang effect. Instead of becoming successful enough to care for their parents in old age as gets driven into the heads of ALL Asians (and certain Old-World cultures to a lesser extent) since time immemorial, the parents are now supporting and/or enabling their grown children.

"(Of the estimated 13 million unmarried people in Japan who currently live with their parents, around three million are over the age of 35.)"{2}

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RE: No sex in Japan... - 10/27/2013 5:09:25 AM   
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Japan has always been the unusual country and I like that, as in repeated cases it is the unorthodox ways that often yield new progress. And this is proven continuously from both their bizarreness (refer to japanisweird.com) and their ingenuity (refer to anything made in japan).

The country is different in more countless aspects than any other, this includes sex too (I'll be speaking from my own experience). For instance, many Japanese feel the immediate need to shower before sex, after it or even both and may not feel comfortable about overlooking that or discussing the matter when they are with a foreign partner. During sex, there is usually an active partner -mostly the male- and a passive one with switching roles, a more hard-line native friend of mine mentioned something about finding himself forced into the passive role when his foreign date was moving herself back against him to the point where he felt kind of gay and displeased by that new experience to him. There is the unique concept of love/sex hotels, the lack of dating that gave rise to host clubs and their "famous" myriad of indescribable fetishes.

All this introduction is to say;
Cheer up OP, I happen to have several acquaintances where the majority prefer foreign women over their locals. Maybe you should opt your search to online communities that are open-minded to actively reaching out to other foreigners abroad, more than few of them actually seek contact in their local districts.

Thanks for the article, it was an interesting read.

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RE: No sex in Japan... - 10/29/2013 12:27:59 AM   
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Yes, although it's been a long time since I was last in Japan (or Korea & other parts of SE Asia), I would agree that there is a noticeable degree of bizarreness that goes hand in hand with innovativeness. Asians from the Far East (Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan) are much more sexually inhibited than those in Southeast Asia (e.g., Bangkok, Thailand) or parts of India. Although the practice is not as prevalent today, they are also accustomed to arranged marriages and not doing their own matchmaking. There is a certain passivity and sense of taboo regarding dating, no matter how iconoclastic the youth may appear on the surface.

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ORIGINAL: Bedmonster

Japan has always been the unusual country and I like that, as in repeated cases it is the unorthodox ways that often yield new progress. And this is proven continuously from both their bizarreness (refer to japanisweird.com) and their ingenuity (refer to anything made in japan).

The country is different in more countless aspects than any other, this includes sex too (I'll be speaking from my own experience). For instance, many Japanese feel the immediate need to shower before sex, after it or even both and may not feel comfortable about overlooking that or discussing the matter when they are with a foreign partner.
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Cheer up OP, I happen to have several acquaintances where the majority prefer foreign women over their locals. Maybe you should opt your search to online communities that are open-minded to actively reaching out to other foreigners abroad, more than few of them actually seek contact in their local districts.


Asian men who have been more Westernized in their thinking, including Asian-American males, may be attracted to less inhibited, less prudish foreign women but mainly for the purposes of 'Pot Noodle Love,' as referenced in the article. They especially have the attitude that all Western women have "loose" morals, so they have no qualms about lacking honorable intent with regards to foreign women. There are exceptions, people do fall in love and get married. Let me provide two examples observed from my personal experience, both pro & con:

1. We once had a Chinese accountant who was turning 30. Once he had a career going and had amassed a respectable amount of assets, it was time for him to be wed and start a family. He took a trip back to his village on the Chinese mainland because traditionally, one had to select a bride from one's hometown. This was all pre-arranged by their families. They got married twice, once in China for her family's sake, then a second time after he had brought her over here to the U.S., for his family's sake. That's the way it's done.

2. Growing up, I had a best girlfriend whose father would have been the Crown Prince if the Asian country had remained a monarchy. His father had been the Crown Prince but was sent away and forced to marry one of Emperor Hirohito's daughters during the Japanese occupation before WWII. This girl's father was never accepted by his own countrymen for having half-Japanese blood. He received a Western education, became an architect and chose an intellectual Ukrainian woman to marry over a native young lady.


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RE: No sex in Japan... - 10/29/2013 10:08:58 AM   
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Slate has a diff take:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/10/23/are_japanese_people_really_having_less_sex_than_anyone_else.html

My take from living there for a shortish while:

It's more the Japanese guys who are the more fucked ones, rather than the women. I try to desist from mildly racist "Lost In Translation"/Those Japs are SO Wacky lazy thinking, BUT (here comes some) a big% of the men have just given up on sex entirely and retreated into comics and wanking.

There's a spa resort that was fading until it was featured in a phone app girlfriend game. Now, it does OK-ish biz by having specific spots where by the magic of IPhone CGI, you can selfie yourself standing next to your imaginary girlfriend. No women on earth has ever done anything this asexual/nerdy.

The women -not without their issues having grown up cutesy land- are a lot more reality-based and much more sexual. In fact, even though it's a very wealthy country (tho less than you think), a lot of women there would love to marry a foreigner and move to a less anti-woman place. A frequent topic on expat columns is about how, for guys who really like living in Japan, the decision of where to end up living if the relationship becomes serious, is often very contentious.

Anal? Never. Oral? Some of the most half-hearted you will ever encounter. You licking them? Half will become stalkers afterwards, half will be dragging your head northwards after maybe lick #7. BDSM? Sorry, but a lot strange DVD's with women's heads forcibly encased in plywood boxes have killed that deal for good for you, Johnny Gaijin.

If that were my sexual world, I'd hate it too.

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RE: No sex in Japan... - 11/18/2013 10:44:46 AM   
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There appears to be a similar problem in China. Chinese women are far outnumbered by men and are becoming a lot more picky in their demands.

BBC ran a programme on it. China's 'love hunters' seek brides for picky billionaires

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RE: No sex in Japan... - 12/17/2013 6:12:17 AM   
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Ahh, the little emperors have come home to a lonely roost.

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