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Phydeaux -> RE: Iran (12/4/2013 11:22:00 PM)
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: crazyml
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
So certainly, the so-called palestinians "dispute" this or that. Hardly changes the fact that, in deed, the Israeli's own it.
I'm sorry, you're so utterly confused about the status of the occupied territories that I don't know where to begin.
Given how quick you are to criticise others for making unsubstantiated statements, it seems rather odd that you should persist in this way.
There is absolutely no "fact" that the Israelis own the occupied territories. It is not a fact, because it is not true. It is not true because a great number of entities dispute that claim - I am sure that you are not so stupid that you would claim that it is only the Palestinians that dispute the status of the the occupied territories.
If you wish to have a mature discussion about the future of Palestine, you must be sure to be less ignorant.
The number of people that dispute a claim is irrelevent. You and tweak should get your story together.
Either Israel is the occupying power (ie., occupies the land) - as tweak says. Or it isn't.
If it occupies it - it owns it.
Until such time as someone or something else comes a long and kicks them out. The same as it has been all through history.
*you* say the natterings of the UN - or the natterings of 120 states matter. I say "prove it". How many UN declarations have tried to dislodge Israel? For that matter, who is going to kick the Russians out of ossetia? Or the greeks out of cyprus. The brits out of the falklands or northern ireland.
We will see further examples of this as china claims the japanese, filipino, and vietnamese islands. And all the yammering in the world of the UN won't change it one iota.
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There is one relevant fact here.
All parties - the Israelis, the Palestinians, the international community the UN etc - agree that the status of the lands in question is "Occupied". Officially the Israeli Govt refers to the West Bank as the "Occupied Territories". All parties agree that Israel is the "Occupant" and that Israel's legal status is that of "occupying authority" Obviously, a country can only be recognised as an "occupying authority" when it occupies foreign lands, not its homeland.
East Jerusalem and the Golan excepted, Israel has made no legal claim of ownership over the West Bank, either in Israeli law or international law. Israeli attempts to annexe East Jerusalem were declared "null and void" by the UN Security Council (in a legally binding resolution) and are not recognised by any other country, including the US.
Therefore, assertions or claims such as those of Phydeaux that Israel "owns" the West Bank, or that it has any rightful title to the West Bank, are utterly false and without any foundation in fact or law. The actual ownership may be disputed, but there is no dispute over the fact that Israel doesn't "own", or have any title to the West Bank.
Palestinian claims to the West Bank and Gaza as part of a Palestinian State are recognised by over 120 countries, or about 2/3 of the world's States.
The territory that Israel claims for its own changes (and generallyl increases as time goes on. I've already alluded to that fact. I've already alluded to the fact that israel hasn't claimed (all) the lands - despite the fact that the palestinians were ready to flee into exile after - what is the arab term for the war - 'the embarassment? the mourning? the humiliation".
A quick fait accompli would have probably stood the Israelis in good stead.
The idea of 'rightful title' is once again - idiotic. Israel has rightful title by the only right that matters. Oh sure, the idiots at the UN will ring their hands. But so long as britain or the US have a seat in the security council - thats all it will come to. Handwringing.
So again I say. Israel occupies, claims (whatever) by the only right that matters.
Force.
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