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Kneeling - 11/10/2013 8:48:24 PM

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i have been with Sir for 4 months. I am his Sub in training and have grown so much in this relationship i am beyond amaZed. I have began to feel this strong desire to show him how much i appreciate him by fully submitting to him. I have yet to kneel at his feet. I feel the desire to do so deep in my soul and i know in doing so i will satisfy him as well. I am afraid of the timing, i dont know when is it appropriate for me to do so? Should I make sure there is ample time in case something comes about? I am very emotional about doing this, we work opposite shifts so it is difficult to plan. There have been times i have wanted to now to him and release myself to him mind body and soul but the fear of the unknown lingers. Should I go with what I feel and kneel when the emotions feel it or should i plan and make sure there is ample time in case my submission leads to that emotional conversation i am thinking awaits me?

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RE: Kneeling - 11/10/2013 9:09:04 PM

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It's only submission if he wants you to do it.

The best way to prepare for anything in these matters is to be ready to do it when he wants you to. He'll tell you. Don't worry about the rest.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/10/2013 9:41:30 PM

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I do believe He would like for me to submit on my own. he had expressed this in the beginning that when I was ready to fully submit that would be his full satisfaction. To have someone fully submit on their terms bare naked venerable, releasing mind body and soul.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/10/2013 10:00:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: Nakhla
It's only submission if he wants you to do it.

Perhaps, but for me it'd be all around WHY OP wanted to kneel. If that "spontaneous kneel" reflected a deep and genuine gesture of respect then turning my nose up at it because I didn't command it would be beyond stupid. If I was more worried about my dominance than genuine and sincere respect then I have missed the forest for the trees so tragically that it would make a fine cartoon skit for Wiley Coyote.

That being said, my views on kneeling and what it represents are almost certainly not "BDSM norm". If it meant some different BDSM thing... something with strings attached... then I'd feel differently about it.

OP. For me I'd hope you offered up such gestures at the moment when they were sincere and genuine not necessarily when the timing was perfect. I dwell in reality an awful lot and I like living there.

edited to add
OK, now I see that we are talking about something other than respect. But it also sounds like your master has already given you guidance on this. I readily admit I have no idea how one "fully submits" in an instant but if that model works for you two then run with it. I'd still opt for "moment of maximum sincerity" but I'm big on reality as I noted above.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/11/2013 12:54:11 AM

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I really get where you're coming from.

Early on in our relationship, Master would tell me to kneel and I would. But it was 'just kneeling' - nothing more than that.

As we got to know each other and our relationship deepened, I found I wanted to kneel for him, to show him that I really was subservient to him and wanted his authority. But to do that spontaneously is really tricky, or so I found!

I decided the best thing to do would be to discuss it with him beforehand. Now, at that point we both realised we were heading for a long-term, committed, monogamous relationship. I sent Master an email, which said something along the lines of "...I'm really happy with how things are going, although I'm finding more and more that I want to show how much I want to serve you. I know I can continue to do all the things I do already, but sometimes the urge to kneel before you is so strong it's almost impossible to resist! How would you feel if I kneeled for you as you came into the house? I know it would feel really right for me, but I want to make sure you're comfortable with it too."

This sparked a most interesting and positive online chat, and next time we met I kneeled before him and it felt wonderful. For me it felt like an outward display of my acceptance of his Mastery. For him, he said it felt like I was truly his in a deeper, more meaningful way.

So if you want to avoid that awkward discussion afterwards, try having it first!

And good luck with your decision

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RE: Kneeling - 11/11/2013 5:14:13 AM

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I think you're overthinking this. Fucking kneel if you want to kneel. It ain't that hard.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/11/2013 8:47:42 AM

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I think you're overthinking this. Fucking kneel if you want to kneel. It ain't that hard.

And I'll add, if you can't figure this out, you clearly don't have much of a relationship.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/11/2013 9:27:30 AM

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It sounds like you want to make this into a beautiful, sensual, and seductive moment. You also said you believe you master wants you to do it on your own. So...pick a holiday...or a special dinner or outing...or someplace where he would least expect it...like Christmas shopping in the mall kneeling before him surrounded by people. Do whatever you like. Be creative.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/11/2013 10:54:04 AM

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And although I hate to inject a note of reality, have you tried kneeling on your own to see how long you can do it without being in pain an d unable to get back up? Because it's only in books that people can kneel for hours.

You don't want this beautiful, spontaneous gesture to end in screaming agony.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/11/2013 12:29:04 PM

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I don't understand the whole in training thing so I'm also confused if he is really your Master or just some guy who says he's training you. Is this a relationship or friendship or what? My answer would be different depending on the response.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/12/2013 12:55:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SIDSsubmissive

i have been with Sir for 4 months. I am his Sub in training and have grown so much in this relationship i am beyond amaZed. I have began to feel this strong desire to show him how much i appreciate him by fully submitting to him. I have yet to kneel at his feet. I feel the desire to do so deep in my soul and i know in doing so i will satisfy him as well. I am afraid of the timing, i dont know when is it appropriate for me to do so? Should I make sure there is ample time in case something comes about? I am very emotional about doing this, we work opposite shifts so it is difficult to plan. There have been times i have wanted to now to him and release myself to him mind body and soul but the fear of the unknown lingers. Should I go with what I feel and kneel when the emotions feel it or should i plan and make sure there is ample time in case my submission leads to that emotional conversation i am thinking awaits me?

The most pleasant memories I have with star are those she precipitated without any prompting from me. To me, this indicates a deep passion for me that overshadows, no overwhelms her normal sense of self-restraint, of decorum in public. It is a plus in all cases. All.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/18/2013 5:56:27 AM

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Kneeling is a very good sign of submission and I say always go with your gut.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/18/2013 9:17:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

And although I hate to inject a note of reality, have you tried kneeling on your own to see how long you can do it without being in pain an d unable to get back up? Because it's only in books that people can kneel for hours.

You don't want this beautiful, spontaneous gesture to end in screaming agony.

You apparently have never gone to Catechism. There was a nun who'd make us hit the pews for an hour or more until some of us were in tears, saying that the pain was "nothing compared to what He suffered for us".

And you're right about trying it out on your own at first. I had a partner who couldn't kneel for more than a few seconds because of an old knee injury.

But OP, I still think you're trying to embrace this in a nice way. By all means, if you feel it, do it, no matter how you elect to kneel. If you can't physically perform it the way you wish to, there are other methods of visual obeisance that serve as just as well. My injured partner used to cross her wrists and bow her head in place of kneeling. It's a powerful symbolic gesture in and of itself.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/18/2013 10:31:03 AM

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In yoga, we say, "There are 80 postures and 1,000 variations."

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RE: Kneeling - 11/18/2013 8:06:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

In yoga, we say, "There are 80 postures and 1,000 variations."

We also say in yoga: there is a fine line between heaven and hell (when referring to asanas.) Do what you need to to be comfortable in this posture.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/19/2013 7:19:48 AM

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Kneeling........

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sitting+sieza&sm=3 This is a few links on how to sit sieza, (kneeling sit) and http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=shikko+&sm=3 shikko (kneeling walk).

Why is it so hard for folks to do this? We really all should do it, we drive everywhere, sit alot, and so on. Look at old people shuffling and very unstable. Legs go quick, but they are what holds your body up. Then you should consider back exercises.

These things above are where you should begin any core training (if you are master or slave, no difference, Masters kneel kids..........alla time). For slaves it is right on the way to do what they should do gracefully anyhow.

Look, from your ass on down is the largest muscles in your body (and this will work them all) start slow, and take lots of breaks....it will be like doing situps again. You want to do all this slow and easy.

I could go on, but it is healthful as well as beautiful submission.

I wanted to say more, but I am too lazy to do so.

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RE: Kneeling - 11/20/2013 11:41:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SIDSsubmissive

i have been with Sir for 4 months. I am his Sub in training and have grown so much in this relationship i am beyond amaZed. I have began to feel this strong desire to show him how much i appreciate him by fully submitting to him. I have yet to kneel at his feet. I feel the desire to do so deep in my soul and i know in doing so i will satisfy him as well. I am afraid of the timing, i dont know when is it appropriate for me to do so? Should I make sure there is ample time in case something comes about? I am very emotional about doing this, we work opposite shifts so it is difficult to plan. There have been times i have wanted to now to him and release myself to him mind body and soul but the fear of the unknown lingers. Should I go with what I feel and kneel when the emotions feel it or should i plan and make sure there is ample time in case my submission leads to that emotional conversation i am thinking awaits me?

You're the one in the interaction-do what feels right for you.
Personally I find it hot as balls when a woman voluntarily kneels as you are describing. It's the culmination of lots of hard work and effort on both are parts and as such,her unbidden and freely given ceding of selfdom will form the basis of the structure we build on that foundation.
When she comes of her own volition and gives overall of herself in trust,lust,fear,heat,need and wanton desire-hell yes,that's a heady ambrosia to imbibe.
Not to mention that it's a great position for sucking.
Just saying.
You can always begin with a good grovel at his knees, then slowly beg to give oral worship. Yeah,not many peeps are gonna say "no"to that and far fewer still will find a way to get upset at a gal for such actions

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RE: Kneeling - 11/24/2013 4:33:42 PM

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It seems like you are thinking of the act of kneeling as an act of surrendering yourself to your master. Therefore, kneeling is not, in this case, the same thing for you as it would be for me: I kneel next to my partner very comfortably, and it's my established position. For me, there is no tension in it or any sense of surrender. The surrendering has all been done, even done to death. Since it's a new thing for you, though, you're really anxious.

For one thing, don't try to do it when your master is busy with something. If you get in his way or waste his time, he will most likely just get annoyed. That would very much spoil the moment for you, and it might take a while for you to recover lost dignity. That's the only really important timing factor you have to worry about.

What you are asking, though, is whether you should go with gut instinct and do it at a spontaneous moment...or carefully plan it to be done at a certain time in a certain place, perhaps ready with some kind of speech for the occasion.

Well, what you say is that you want to commit with your full mind, body and soul, so you need BOTH an element of impulse and an element of deliberation. Your heart and mind need to be on the same page. If your heart is in it but your mind is not, then later you will be thinking, "it was a moment of blind impulse," and you'll start to doubt its legitimacy. If your mind is in it but not your heart, then you will later look back and feel that it was "empty" somehow. Find that balance, and I figure the rest ought to feel natural.

And that's really my thinking on it!

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RE: Kneeling - 11/25/2013 8:58:11 AM

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You are way over thinking this. But my sense is that there is a reason you are over thinking this. Your emotions and your thinking are not in the same place. Emotionally you wish to fully submit to him to show your appreciation. Mentally your fear of the unknown casts doubt, brings uncertainty, causes fear. The opposition of those two parts of you suggest that you are not ready yet to fully submit.

Don't rush it. The two of you have been together for 4 months. I can't say it is impossible, though I can say I have never known anyone who experienced full submission, with all that means, is such a short period of time. Knowing nothing about you or your relationship my thinking is pure guess work. For what it is worth, it seems to me you are on an emotional high right now, which you are misreading the high for something other than what it is.

Remember it is the journey not the destination that counts. The journey between the two of you is the most important thing. Relax and enjoy the journey!

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RE: Kneeling - 11/25/2013 2:06:10 PM

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Yeah you are way over thinking this. If you feel a desire to kneel then try it and see if he likes it. My husband loves it when I kneel for him, sit at his feet or in his lap. Not everyone likes it or wants it though.

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