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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 4:40:05 PM   
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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 4:41:20 PM   
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when it was apparent that the insurance corps could cancel the plans, he should have come clean with the public & tell them the truth and that some policies might be canceled.. instead of repeating a promise that had no certainty.. what is a "promise" that a person knows he cant keep?


Many call it a lie.

Others call it Bush's fault, the Republicans' fault, etc.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 4:45:54 PM   
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It was hard for the dems to read that many pages on Christmas Eve. They voted for the bill without knowing what was in the bil.

Unfortuneately, that is the case with most bills. No one reads them. And they are so huge, no one could possibly read and understand them before they come to a vote.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 4:48:00 PM   
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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 4:51:50 PM   
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It is almost as if it was designed so there would be no grandfathered plans. "If you dig into the regulations (go to page 34560), you will see that HHS wrote them extremely tight. One provision says that if co-payment increases by more than $5, plus medical cost of inflation, then the plan can no longer be grandfathered. "

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/

There is a note that corrects the figure but it is a miniscule correction.

Policies change every year. To set a three year timeline in something like copays NOT to change, seems as if it was designed to get rid of all current plans.


Why should any plan increase a copay by more than the medical inflation rate? Are you saying the insurance companies are so incompetent they can't read actuarial tables?

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 5:15:29 PM   
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In the real world the President can certainly order a fix to a regulation issued by the executive branch. However it won't change a thing. The insurance companies are not going to re-issue those canceled policies.


So Obama is telling more lies on top of his lies.

No. He is just making a very good point. It is the insurance companies that refused to bring policies into compliance with the law or made changes outside the grandfathering provisions. The government did not.


Oh, so now the plans weren't substandard after all. But I understand, liberals want to have it both ways.

My plan was substandard because it didn't cover kids that we don't have or cover child birth for kids that we aren't going to have among other things we don't need. Where's the logic for that ? The cost and deductibles went up. The company was required by law to change the freakin plan.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 5:18:22 PM   
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And some on here (slvmike) say the chosen mis chose his words.

Produce a post wherein I said that,.....failing that admit that you just lied




hint....I have never referred to the President as "the chosen"

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 5:27:52 PM   
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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 5:28:43 PM   
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It is almost as if it was designed so there would be no grandfathered plans. "If you dig into the regulations (go to page 34560), you will see that HHS wrote them extremely tight. One provision says that if co-payment increases by more than $5, plus medical cost of inflation, then the plan can no longer be grandfathered. "

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/30/obamas-pledge-that-no-one-will-take-away-your-health-plan/

There is a note that corrects the figure but it is a miniscule correction.

Policies change every year. To set a three year timeline in something like copays NOT to change, seems as if it was designed to get rid of all current plans.


Why should any plan increase a copay by more than the medical inflation rate? Are you saying the insurance companies are so incompetent they can't read actuarial tables?


Do the actuarial tables account for.having to take on anyone with a preexisting condition? Anyone with a lick of commen sense would know that alone would raise rates. Is that a bad thing? I don't know. Personally, i am willing to pay a bit more so those people can get covered. In 5 years, it could be me or someone I love. Some things I like about this legislation, other things not so much. But to put that kind of restriction in the face of radical new laws sure looks like it was designed to have many existing plans fail the test.

Bottom line, there is plenty of evidencethe adminisration knew " you can keep your plan" wasn't gonna happen. They lied and mislead on purpose fearing if the truth was known, it would not have passed. A hard dose of reality might have won me over the get go. As it was, i knew it was not true.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 5:31:47 PM   
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president clinton to president obama. post # 17

No need to look back....I have never referred to the President as "the chosen" .


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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 5:36:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		someone else reffered to our leader as the chosen one. you said the rest, making excuses for the lyer in chief.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 5:48:36 PM   
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Yeah, shit needs to be legislated but it hasn't stopped Obama in the past.



ACA was legislated, and it didn't stop the wingnuts from extortion. Do it our way or else..... Doesn't matter that the people voted Obama in twice, that the ACA has already become law.

These conversations should have happened 3 years ago and had good serious discussions with problem solving as the goal ---. not at the 11th hour with nothing but threats and grandstanding and total disrespect for the democratic process that brought us to this point.

Republicans need to reclaim their party. There are smart, intelligent wonderful Republicans out there who are afraid of being branded as too liberal or goodness knows what. But the folks they have making all the noise now? Best thing that could happen to the Democrats.




What extortion are you talking about ? It passed both houses without single republican vote.

The conversation did happen 3 years ago and the so called wingnuts predicted the problems Obamanationcare is having and they're predicting it will only get worse.

The best thing to come out of this freakin train wreck law is that it could severely damage democrats.




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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 6:07:52 PM   
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How many people have died as a direct result of the ACA debacle and insurance cancellations?



0. Many lives have been saved already however.


Yeah right, and the Easter Bunny is coming to my house on April 20th to shit colorful hard boiled eggs ?

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 6:09:00 PM   
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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 6:19:02 PM   
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In the real world the President can certainly order a fix to a regulation issued by the executive branch. However it won't change a thing. The insurance companies are not going to re-issue those canceled policies.


So Obama is telling more lies on top of his lies.

No. He is just making a very good point. It is the insurance companies that refused to bring policies into compliance with the law or made changes outside the grandfathering provisions. The government did not.


And another thing, if the insurance companies didn't have to cancel these plans by law, why did Obama go on TV and tell the insurance companies that now they don't have to cancel them ?

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 8:27:33 PM   
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In the real world the President can certainly order a fix to a regulation issued by the executive branch. However it won't change a thing. The insurance companies are not going to re-issue those canceled policies.


So Obama is telling more lies on top of his lies.

No. He is just making a very good point. It is the insurance companies that refused to bring policies into compliance with the law or made changes outside the grandfathering provisions. The government did not.


Oh, so now the plans weren't substandard after all. But I understand, liberals want to have it both ways.

My plan was substandard because it didn't cover kids that we don't have or cover child birth for kids that we aren't going to have among other things we don't need. Where's the logic for that ? The cost and deductibles went up. The company was required by law to change the freakin plan.

Some of the plans were and the insurance companies chose to not bring them into compliance. Your plan came into compliance. You may claim to not need those services but if something changes you will be covered.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 8:30:10 PM   
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The conversation did happen 3 years ago and the so called wingnuts predicted the problems Obamanationcare is having and they're predicting it will only get worse.

Please present a single claim by an opponent 3 years ago that the enrollment website would be troubled or any other so called problem the program is having. Please don't bother with lies about people getting their policies canceled. That is quite provably the fault of the insurance companies not the ACA or the federal government.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 8:32:05 PM   
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How many people have died as a direct result of the ACA debacle and insurance cancellations?



0. Many lives have been saved already however.


Yeah right, and the Easter Bunny is coming to my house on April 20th to shit colorful hard boiled eggs ?

Then you have contrary evidence? Since no one has lost insurance or had any other negative effect yet how precisely could the ACA have cost anyone their life? The fact is the high risk groups have definitely saved lives. Children being covered on their parents insurance till 26 has definitely saved lives.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 8:33:34 PM   
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In the real world the President can certainly order a fix to a regulation issued by the executive branch. However it won't change a thing. The insurance companies are not going to re-issue those canceled policies.


So Obama is telling more lies on top of his lies.

No. He is just making a very good point. It is the insurance companies that refused to bring policies into compliance with the law or made changes outside the grandfathering provisions. The government did not.


And another thing, if the insurance companies didn't have to cancel these plans by law, why did Obama go on TV and tell the insurance companies that now they don't have to cancel them ?

He's making the point that it is the insurance companies not the ACA or the federal government. The insurers chose to cancel policies rather than comply with the grandfather rules. How is it anyone but their fault they won't comply with the law.

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RE: TICK-TOCK to the AHA as we know it... White House c... - 11/14/2013 8:46:42 PM   
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FR

How many people have died as a direct result of the ACA debacle and insurance cancellations?



0. Many lives have been saved already however.


Yeah right, and the Easter Bunny is coming to my house on April 20th to shit colorful hard boiled eggs ?

Then you have contrary evidence? Since no one has lost insurance or had any other negative effect yet how precisely could the ACA have cost anyone their life? The fact is the high risk groups have definitely saved lives. Children being covered on their parents insurance till 26 has definitely saved lives.


I'm disputing your claim so you show me the lives Obama care has saved.

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