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LittleGirlHeart -> Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/16/2013 6:18:17 PM)
and yes before any one says it, i will tlk to my therapist and meds dr about this. yesterday i was super anxious and my mom an dad were snapping atme, and i said i am having an anxiety attack it's about to become full blown, and she snapped at me to well calm down, and i asked to borrow her shoes and she said where are yours and i said i don;t know, and i don't have time to look for them. well she got annoyed and snapped here take the damned things and kicked them off at me. At that point after being yelled at i just wanted to cry and slam doors. The next two anxiety attacks got so bad i was freaking out and it manifested as wanting to slam my head into the wall, anything to make the panic stop this is not the first time anxiety has made me wanna hurt myself. . so i took the ,5 miligram dose the dr had prescribed for anxiety. i don't know if it even helped i did eventually settle in watch a lil tv then go to bed. but it wasn't the calm sleepy of a med taking affect. Anyway for me, it seems anxiety is a trigger catalyst for either anger issues or self harm issues.

DesFIP -> RE: It it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/16/2013 6:24:10 PM)
Good, you've learned a trigger. So next time you see your therapist and your psychiatrist, tell them this. Ask for help learning safer coping skills to reduce anxiety. Keep a log of how often this happens and allow your psychiatrist to decide if it's so frequent you need a higher level of your atypical antipsychotic, which will reduce the anxiety.

littlewonder -> RE: It it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/16/2013 7:30:53 PM)
Personally I think your parents and boyfriend are the problems for your attacks. I think you need to get away from them since it seems they trigger your attacks because they yell and scream at you a lot. I had a mother like that and it's why I left at the ripe age of 16 and never looked back. Anyway, it's something I think you really need to talk to your therapists about.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: It it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/16/2013 7:44:32 PM)
James usually doesn't yell at me. I am usually yelling at him. Out of the two of us , but yes, he does cause me a lot of anxiety sometimes. My parents both think i am just over reacting and throwing a tantrum when i beging to have anxiety attack melt downs. since i beging to appear to whine and fuss, and sometimes cry and rant, which is really my anxiety and frusteration showing up and sometimes being driven into overdrive. quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder Personally I think your parents and boyfriend are the problems for your attacks. I think you need to get away from them since it seems they trigger your attacks because they yell and scream at you a lot. I had a mother like that and it's why I left at the ripe age of 16 and never looked back. Anyway, it's something I think you really need to talk to your therapists about.

BecomingV -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/16/2013 9:22:10 PM)
LittleGirlHeart, reading between the lines, I see these questions: Am I normal? Am I justified? Am I responsible? Do fear and rage have a causal relationship? Normal is such a loaded word, but let's say that healthy humans move towards pleasure and away from pain. (In BDSM, that notion of pleasure and pain is often misunderstood by vanillas.) It appears that you are attempting to lessen your pain, so IMO, you are normal. Justified? If something or someone in your environment harms you, then you are justified in protecting yourself. The mental illness stuff comes in when a person lacks coping options (ways to react that strengthen you) while still respecting the rights of others. It looks like there is a respect deficiency in your relationship with your Mom. Perhaps she modeled "acting out" behaviors and communication patterns which you reflect back. That makes her responsible for some poor relationship and parenting skills. Responsible? The cool part is that you are responsible for your own relationship skills, regardless of their origin. Being responsible means that you have the power - you have the choices. It appears that when you are faced with seemingly overwhelming feelings, you are able to control your behavior. (applause) That may keep you from being jailed or committed, but it doesn't fully address your pain. Fear and rage (whether directed at self or others) do NOT have a causal relationship. This was taught to you. Again, because it is a part of you now, you have the power to choose differently. It takes practice but you can retrain your brain. I suggest looking into 3 things: 1) EMDR for help with triggers. http://www.emdr.com/ 2) Binaural Beats to create new neuropathways in the brain, which leads to more whole-brained perception and thinking. If you google it, there are free downloads to try it out. http://www.learningstrategies.com/paraliminal/home.asp 3) The Betrayal Bond Test http://www.insideoutlivinginc.org/Traumatic%20Bonding%20Self%20Test.pdf I wish you all the best in all of your efforts. ETA - These links can be helpful to anybody who wishes to live more freely.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/17/2013 12:16:43 AM)
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell,not always. There's times i have had serious angry melt downs and slamed doors and broke stuff and raged and screamed an threw chairs. I was just fortunate enough that these occurences werre not where i could be arrested for it, or in serious trouble for it, and B that when it happened at home my parents were very forgiving. And i work very , VERY hard to just walk away and it's ok to be seething but express that in less destructive ways, or, destructive ways that are acceptible. like smashing dishes you bought just to smsh or hitting a solid punching bag with foamie sticks. Yes. My mom has been very abusive and mean to me over the years, and as an adult she is still very critical of me sometimes and down right mean. She doesn't meant o be but she doesn't know how not to be. and she doesn't realize when she is talking to someone and snapping at them or being nasty. so if you call her on it she yells at you. And yes I have been hurt because she was snapping at me i said you do not have to snap at me, i haven't done anything to deserve it, she snaps at me and i begin snapping or i raise my voice at her. We do bounce off or mirror each other at times. I have yet to learn how to simply keep shut an not reply sometimes, but i am slowly learning it. my moms and my relationship is really rocky, the longer we spend together the more likely one or the other usually her is gonna snap at someone an then the other will react an it'lll be a fight or once she said something so stupid i wasn't gonna stay s hut an she shouted at me an wouldn't talk to me for days she claims she wants us to be so close were best friends an gfs but she's incapable of behaving in a way i can be tht close to her quote: ORIGINAL: BecomingV It looks like there is a respect deficiency in your relationship with your Mom. Perhaps she modeled "acting out" behaviors and communication patterns which you reflect back. That makes her responsible for some poor relationship and parenting skills. Responsible? The cool part is that you are responsible for your own relationship skills, regardless of their origin. Being responsible means that you have the power - you have the choices. It appears that when you are faced with seemingly overwhelming feelings, you are able to control your behavior. (applause) That may keep you from being jailed or committed, but it doesn't fully address your pain. Fear and rage (whether directed at self or others) do NOT have a causal relationship. This was taught to you. Again, because it is a part of you now, you have the power to choose differently. It takes practice but you can retrain your brain. I suggest looking into 3 things: 1) EMDR for help with triggers. http://www.emdr.com/ 2) Binaural Beats to create new neuropathways in the brain, which leads to more whole-brained perception and thinking. If you google it, there are free downloads to try it out. http://www.learningstrategies.com/paraliminal/home.asp 3) The Betrayal Bond Test http://www.insideoutlivinginc.org/Traumatic%20Bonding%20Self%20Test.pdf I wish you all the best in all of your efforts. ETA - These links can be helpful to anybody who wishes to live more freely.

AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/17/2013 2:35:30 AM)
FR I'm not a doctor or anything in the mental health field. From my own experience with anxiety (I don't have full on panic attacks) I definitely think it can cause the desire to self-harm. There's a number of reasons, but I would guess one of the big ones is wanting to be in control of something. When you start to get in anxiety spiral you feel very out of control, like you're powerless and surrounded by danger (even if logically, you know that you're not in danger, it feels like it). Self harm feels like you are taking control. You are the boss of your body, if only for a moment, and you control what it feels. Some people also find it easier to deal with physical pain like a cut or a banged head than to deal with emotional pain, and physical injury is something our loved ones can see and understand. When you add all those things together, it's understandable why people hurt themselves. It's a coping mechanism. Not a healthy one, but a coping mechanism nonetheless. It will help you a lot if you can set up some alternatives for yourself that give you those feelings of being in control and expressing your pain. I know you have health and weight problems so just going for a run is probably not an option, but you could work towards that. Doing some sort of exercise that gets your blood pumping BEFORE you get into a full blown anxiety attack puts you back in control and sort of 'burns off' all the unneeded adrenaline that your body is producing in readiness for a danger that will never come. Blowing bubbles will help - it's a calming game and it encourages you to breathe slowly, which again puts you back in control. I know you like crafts - can you set aside some paper and paints so you can paint out the anxiety and show how you're feeling inside? Or heck, get some playdough and torture it. Do you have a mantra? Sitting in a dark room, breathing slowly and repeating something like 'this too shall pass' in your head is very calming and reminds you that no matter how awful the panic feels, it is temporary. You have come through it before and you will survive this time, too. I've heard a lot of people talk of success with the method of just watching the panic attack, as though you were a doctor. You say to yourself 'now the heart is pounding, this is perfectly normal, and the breathing is getting faster, so the patient's body is ready to run if danger strikes. But there's no danger here. She's going to try and breathe slowly. The waves of panic are washing over her, this is OK, this won't harm her, it will be gone in a moment.' I know this one won't help you when you're already panicking, but this is the number 1 thing that helps me when I get anxious: I put things into perspective. I have a series of questions that I run through (I used to have a worksheet for this but I do it in my head now): - What is the worst thing that is LIKELY to happen? (as in, it's technically possible that the worst thing that could happen when buying groceries is an asteroid falling on wal-mart, but the worst LIKELY thing is that you feel a little tense and forget some things) - How bad is this, on a scale of 1-100 (where one is 'oops, I dropped my pen' and 100 is 'terminal illness, the death of everyone I love, huge natural disaster') In most cases your problems will actually be a 5 or less - Will this matter a month from now? A year from now? Ten years from now? - in 90% of cases the answer will be 'no'

theshytype -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/17/2013 8:54:05 AM)
quote: Blowing bubbles will help - it's a calming game and it encourages you to breathe slowly, which again puts you back in control. I know you like crafts - can you set aside some paper and paints so you can paint out the anxiety and show how you're feeling inside? Or heck, get some playdough and torture it. I really love this idea. May really come in handy with one of my little ones. LGH, I have a similar problem. I have a tendency to hold everything in and, when something that becomes just too much to bring on a panic attack, it all boils over and wants to burst out in an explosive way. While hyperventilating, I've kicked things and punched things, always resulting in physical pain that temporarily takes me away from my mental breakdown. For me, the reaction is normal and does not need to be addressed. Instead, it's the holding things in that result in the physical reaction that needs to be addressed. It's not easy, but I've learned to let go of the things I cannot control, such as others' behaviors, and learned to step away and take a break before I reach that boiling point, usually in the form of a more productive physical activity such as exercise, organizing, or vigorous cleaning. Also, I have learned to remove individuals from my life that do not contribute in a positive, healthy way. So, to answer your question, I'm not going to say necessarily common but you're definitely not alone.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/17/2013 1:24:41 PM)
I have in the past painted the shape of an arm and made angry slash lines in it, to represent what i would like to happpen. or on paintbrush program drew angry clouds and scibbles and lab;ed it inner me. Yup hurting myself hurts so much it is shocking and shocks me right out of it. only problem then is i have to live with the pain an it hurts an i want cuddling an sympathy an tlc and i do not think i deserve that soothing for something i did to myself, so i feel hypocritical asking. Mantra's no. but i do listen to music that would make me cry or makes me feel lulled and soothed or angry music i can rage along too, and then when i am tired or i have a headache i turn it off and i am certainly calmer most the times. soometimes also mutter, do not over react, do not over react. This is not worth loosing so much of my cool that it takes a toll on me. Or, i talk to a teddy bear i love and pretend it's them that needs soothing and i tell them, this is nothing, shoot it's doable we can deal. we'll just snuggle and i will be here and we will come out of this in tact ok? quote: ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders FR I'm not a doctor or anything in the mental health field. From my own experience with anxiety (I don't have full on panic attacks) I definitely think it can cause the desire to self-harm. There's a number of reasons, but I would guess one of the big ones is wanting to be in control of something. When you start to get in anxiety spiral you feel very out of control, like you're powerless and surrounded by danger (even if logically, you know that you're not in danger, it feels like it). Self harm feels like you are taking control. You are the boss of your body, if only for a moment, and you control what it feels. Some people also find it easier to deal with physical pain like a cut or a banged head than to deal with emotional pain, and physical injury is something our loved ones can see and understand. When you add all those things together, it's understandable why people hurt themselves. It's a coping mechanism. Not a healthy one, but a coping mechanism nonetheless. It will help you a lot if you can set up some alternatives for yourself that give you those feelings of being in control and expressing your pain. I know you have health and weight problems so just going for a run is probably not an option, but you could work towards that. Doing some sort of exercise that gets your blood pumping BEFORE you get into a full blown anxiety attack puts you back in control and sort of 'burns off' all the unneeded adrenaline that your body is producing in readiness for a danger that will never come. Blowing bubbles will help - it's a calming game and it encourages you to breathe slowly, which again puts you back in control. I know you like crafts - can you set aside some paper and paints so you can paint out the anxiety and show how you're feeling inside? Or heck, get some playdough and torture it. Do you have a mantra? Sitting in a dark room, breathing slowly and repeating something like 'this too shall pass' in your head is very calming and reminds you that no matter how awful the panic feels, it is temporary. You have come through it before and you will survive this time, too. I've heard a lot of people talk of success with the method of just watching the panic attack, as though you were a doctor. You say to yourself 'now the heart is pounding, this is perfectly normal, and the breathing is getting faster, so the patient's body is ready to run if danger strikes. But there's no danger here. She's going to try and breathe slowly. The waves of panic are washing over her, this is OK, this won't harm her, it will be gone in a moment.' I know this one won't help you when you're already panicking, but this is the number 1 thing that helps me when I get anxious: I put things into perspective. I have a series of questions that I run through (I used to have a worksheet for this but I do it in my head now): - What is the worst thing that is LIKELY to happen? (as in, it's technically possible that the worst thing that could happen when buying groceries is an asteroid falling on wal-mart, but the worst LIKELY thing is that you feel a little tense and forget some things) - How bad is this, on a scale of 1-100 (where one is 'oops, I dropped my pen' and 100 is 'terminal illness, the death of everyone I love, huge natural disaster') In most cases your problems will actually be a 5 or less - Will this matter a month from now? A year from now? Ten years from now? - in 90% of cases the answer will be 'no'

anniezz338 -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/17/2013 1:50:00 PM)
I am on mood levelers myself that help with depression and anxiety/rage. And I am fortunate enough in my situation to walk away from most all stressful situations. If it is possible, move away from your folks. If not, just walk away when they stress you out. Take a walk or a bike ride. Take a drive in the country. My mom did alot of reading up on my meds and condition and understands where i am coming from. Maybe your mom should read up more on your situation. This illness affects tthe whole family and should be understood by all. In my history, harming ones self comes from depression. I don't know if you are on meds for both or not, but it is worth looking into. Ignore the hell out of anyone who stresses you out. That's what I do. Stress is my biggest trigger. good luck to you

NullHypothesis -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/22/2013 8:55:53 PM)
EMDR for help with triggers ~~~ EMDR is typically only effective with PTSD or other traumas ... Binaural Beats ~~~ This would be a good relaxation technique. While medication can help (at might be indicated, here) Cognitive-Behavioral or Reality Therapy are her best bets. null ~~~ submissive extraordinaire by night .... Registered Mental Health Counselor by day ....

NullHypothesis -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/22/2013 8:57:11 PM)
"EMDR for help with triggers" ~~~ EMDR is typically only effective with PTSD or other traumas ... The VA is using it more extensively. But EMDR isn't for novices .... "Binaural Beats" ~~~ This would be a good relaxation technique. While medication can help (and might be indicated, here) Cognitive-Behavioral or Reality Therapy are her best bets. null ~~~ submissive extraordinaire by night .... Registered Mental Health Counselor by day ....

DarkSteven -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/23/2013 3:32:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NullHypothesis "EMDR for help with triggers" ~~~ EMDR is typically only effective with PTSD or other traumas ... The VA is using it more extensively. But EMDR isn't for novices .... "Binaural Beats" ~~~ This would be a good relaxation technique. While medication can help (and might be indicated, here) Cognitive-Behavioral or Reality Therapy are her best bets. null ~~~ submissive extraordinaire by night .... Registered Mental Health Counselor by day .... Damn. Thanks for all the info.

SweetAnise -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/23/2013 3:47:01 PM)
The answer is yes it can but you need to work with understanding the desire to harm and its triggers. As for EMDR it is used for PTSD but also anxieties, grief, and many other illnesses but most of its research is from PTSD. It is important to find someone has been trained if you decide to use this modality

LeatherBentOne51 -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/27/2013 1:22:56 PM)
I used to have severe panic attacks until my Dr. told me they were symptoms of depression, and started me on anti-depressants. That was 13 years ago and I haven't had a panic attack since. Good luck to you.

shiftyw -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/27/2013 8:04:42 PM)
All your links are very helpful, thanks :)

ShaharThorne -> RE: Is it common for anxiety attacks to be acompanie by self harm desires or anger managment issues? (11/30/2013 6:52:44 AM)
Almost had a trigger myself (I baby my computer and the surge protector was off) when I tried to turn on my computer. When Mom got up, I asked her what happened. If she would of just said that we had another blackout, everything would of been okay. She did not go straight to the point and that almost made me upset. If something triggers me, I go to my room and calm down with some breathing exercises.

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