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Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell like ... - 12/11/2013 10:07:51 AM   
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Does coriander smell like mint or does mint taste like coriander?
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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 10:30:20 AM   
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cilantro tastes like soap.  end of story. 

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 11:39:27 AM   
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I'm with Ron.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 11:40:36 AM   
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Mint smells like mint and coriander smells like cats piss

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 11:41:46 AM   
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quote:

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Does coriander smell like mint or does mint taste like coriander?

Neither.
Both are quite distinctive in their smell and taste.... not even remotely similar.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 12:22:32 PM   
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Does coriander smell like mint or does mint taste like coriander?


Seriously, if you cant tell the difference between the two, please step away from the stove and exit the kitchen. Return only after completing a basic cooking class.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 12:23:30 PM   
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Oh I dont know about that, you store them together and cilantro can sort of smell minty.


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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 12:30:02 PM   
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FR,

You cilantrophobes need to update your brains:



...The published studies of cilantro aroma describe individual aldehydes as having both cilantrolike and soapy qualities. Several flavor chemists told me in e-mail messages that they smell a soapy note in the whole herb as well, but still find its aroma fresh and pleasant.

So the cilantro aldehydes are olfactory Jekyll-and-Hydes. Why is it only the evil, soapy side that shows up for cilantrophobes, and not the charming one?

I posed this question to Jay Gottfried, a neuroscientist at Northwestern University who studies how the brain perceives smells.

Dr. Gottfried turned out to be a former cilantrophobe who could speak from personal experience. He said that the great cilantro split probably reflects the primal importance of smell and taste to survival, and the brain’s constant updating of its database of experiences.

The senses of smell and taste evolved to evoke strong emotions, he explained, because they were critical to finding food and mates and avoiding poisons and predators. When we taste a food, the brain searches its memory to find a pattern from past experience that the flavor belongs to. Then it uses that pattern to create a perception of flavor, including an evaluation of its desirability.

If the flavor doesn’t fit a familiar food experience, and instead fits into a pattern that involves chemical cleaning agents and dirt, or crawly insects, then the brain highlights the mismatch and the potential threat to our safety. We react strongly and throw the offending ingredient on the floor where it belongs.

“When your brain detects a potential threat, it narrows your attention,” Dr. Gottfried told me in a telephone conversation. “You don’t need to know that a dangerous food has a hint of asparagus and sorrel to it. You just get it away from your mouth.”

But he explained that every new experience causes the brain to update and enlarge its set of patterns, and this can lead to a shift in how we perceive a food.

“I didn’t like cilantro to begin with,” he said. “But I love food, and I ate all kinds of things, and I kept encountering it. My brain must have developed new patterns for cilantro flavor from those experiences, which included pleasure from the other flavors and the sharing with friends and family. That’s how people in cilantro-eating countries experience it every day.”

“So I began to like cilantro,” he said. “It can still remind me of soap, but it’s not threatening anymore, so that association fades into the background, and I enjoy its other qualities. On the other hand, if I ate cilantro once and never willingly let it pass my lips again, there wouldn’t have been a chance to reshape that perception.”

Cilantro itself can be reshaped to make it easier to take. A Japanese study published in January suggested that crushing the leaves will give leaf enzymes the chance to gradually convert the aldehydes into other substances with no aroma.

Sure enough, I’ve found cilantro pestos to be lotion-free and surprisingly mild. They actually have deeper roots in the Mediterranean than the basil version, and can be delicious on pasta and breads and meats. If you’re looking to work on your cilantro patterns, pesto might be the place to start.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/dining/14curious.html?_r=0

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 12:45:29 PM   
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I didn't like cilantro at first either. I did the shopping for my friend who cooked for me, and often "accidently" bought parsley. Then I moved in with a guy who loved Thai food and gave me a Thai cookbook. I didn't like fish sauce at first either, but got over that really quickly, which may have helped with the cilantro as well.

To answer the question - I do not find coriander at all like mint.

I have been able to use coriander with my current man, who is a cilantrophobe. I wonder if I am going to get a beating over the email I just sent him suggesting he needed to update his brain

If anyone is wondering, coriander is made from the seeds of the cilantro plant.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 1:56:26 PM   
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OOooh thank you so much for posting this article!
I too was a cilantrophobe.....OMFG--THAT TASTES LIKE BUG SPRAY!!!! *Ptoooey!!!*

But a family from India moved in nextdoor to Mom & Dad, we got into a conversation when he was out mowing his lawn one day...invited Me over for dinner...
and thereafter we became friends. They got Me hooked on Indian cuisine, much of which has cilantro in it, they call the entire plant Coriander, not just the seeds
(they throw huge HANDFULS of the stuff in their sauces).

However, I think what made it acceptable for Me, was that it was MIXED in with other herbs like fenugreek (has a maple syrup flavor), garam masala (a warm spicy mixture similar to pumpkin pie spice or fivespice),
hot peppers, curry, and of course the intimate "family" feel at mealtimes (sometimes eaten in a circle on a plastic tablecloth on the livingroom floor) certainly enhanced the experience.

As the article you posted mentions, the brain reprograms itself when cilantro is eaten during a positive experience. For those of you that hate the stuff, there is hope for you yet.

Now I grow a 4'x25' double row of it in My garden every year. I usually pick a leaf to chew whenever I walk by.

(Incidentally, there is a popular cat/dog repellent for indoor use on furniture that has a strong cilantro odor, and I believe this must be the active ingredient)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

FR,

You cilantrophobes need to update your brains:



...The published studies of cilantro aroma describe individual aldehydes as having both cilantrolike and soapy qualities. Several flavor chemists told me in e-mail messages that they smell a soapy note in the whole herb as well, but still find its aroma fresh and pleasant.

So the cilantro aldehydes are olfactory Jekyll-and-Hydes. Why is it only the evil, soapy side that shows up for cilantrophobes, and not the charming one?

I posed this question to Jay Gottfried, a neuroscientist at Northwestern University who studies how the brain perceives smells.

Dr. Gottfried turned out to be a former cilantrophobe who could speak from personal experience. He said that the great cilantro split probably reflects the primal importance of smell and taste to survival, and the brain’s constant updating of its database of experiences.

The senses of smell and taste evolved to evoke strong emotions, he explained, because they were critical to finding food and mates and avoiding poisons and predators. When we taste a food, the brain searches its memory to find a pattern from past experience that the flavor belongs to. Then it uses that pattern to create a perception of flavor, including an evaluation of its desirability.

If the flavor doesn’t fit a familiar food experience, and instead fits into a pattern that involves chemical cleaning agents and dirt, or crawly insects, then the brain highlights the mismatch and the potential threat to our safety. We react strongly and throw the offending ingredient on the floor where it belongs.

“When your brain detects a potential threat, it narrows your attention,” Dr. Gottfried told me in a telephone conversation. “You don’t need to know that a dangerous food has a hint of asparagus and sorrel to it. You just get it away from your mouth.”

But he explained that every new experience causes the brain to update and enlarge its set of patterns, and this can lead to a shift in how we perceive a food.

“I didn’t like cilantro to begin with,” he said. “But I love food, and I ate all kinds of things, and I kept encountering it. My brain must have developed new patterns for cilantro flavor from those experiences, which included pleasure from the other flavors and the sharing with friends and family. That’s how people in cilantro-eating countries experience it every day.”

“So I began to like cilantro,” he said. “It can still remind me of soap, but it’s not threatening anymore, so that association fades into the background, and I enjoy its other qualities. On the other hand, if I ate cilantro once and never willingly let it pass my lips again, there wouldn’t have been a chance to reshape that perception.”

Cilantro itself can be reshaped to make it easier to take. A Japanese study published in January suggested that crushing the leaves will give leaf enzymes the chance to gradually convert the aldehydes into other substances with no aroma.

Sure enough, I’ve found cilantro pestos to be lotion-free and surprisingly mild. They actually have deeper roots in the Mediterranean than the basil version, and can be delicious on pasta and breads and meats. If you’re looking to work on your cilantro patterns, pesto might be the place to start.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/dining/14curious.html?_r=0


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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 2:13:41 PM   
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I have no luck growing cilantro - it bolts. What's your secret? (I'm in Massachusetts.) My neighbor got some no-bolt cilantro seeds and I was going to try that next year.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 2:14:58 PM   
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do you have like a fairly shady east facing sorta place or a north facing place all together?  put it there.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 2:20:06 PM   
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I have an overabundance of shade. Mom gets a few more hours of sun and it makes a huge difference to her kale and swiss chard. Am planning to have some trees trimmed in the spring. Will save some shade for the cilantro.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/11/2013 2:23:43 PM   
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helps to keep it from bolting longer, but you gotta start cutting on the stuff alot too, and using it.

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/13/2013 7:57:14 PM   
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Like many..when I was younger cilantro smelled and tasted like soap but I tried it again when I was in my 30's and love it! I always have a bunch now in my fridge in a glass filled with water and it lasts for a couple weeks.

Actually today I saw a food blog called "The Cilantropist" and joined..I don't think all the recipes have cilantro but many do...here is the link:

http://cilantropist.blogspot.com/

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RE: Does coriander smell like mint or does mint smell l... - 12/13/2013 8:05:12 PM   
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Okay, being in west texas, and since the pioneers who settled this reason cut down the majority of live oaks and post oaks, the predominate tree in this area is the mesquite. A water stealing thing that is more glorified thorn bush than a real tree, although they do get quite tall and make great wood to smoke meats and other things with, and do okay in the fire place, if you let em dry for about two years.

So for shade for the herbs I grow, I actually built a pergola and planted some climbing roses. I would have gone with grape vines, but sis liked roses.

I also have a salad garden that gets equal amounts of shade and sun.

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