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tied tits - 12/30/2013 5:12:47 PM

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i have a desire to tie the tits of my sub but my question is how long can/should u leave them tied and not do permanent damage i cherish her submission and will not see her harmed

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 5:47:22 PM

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When they turn blue, it's been long enough.

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 5:51:06 PM

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When they turn blue, it's been long enough.

Jeez RS. Your posts always make me wince!!!!!

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 7:33:16 PM

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Color change, temperature change are indicators of problems.

You might do well reading some nonfiction how to books. Erotic Bondage by Jay Wiseman for this.

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 8:49:22 PM

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Yeah, honestly, since we don't know how uhm, 1. how "big" they are, 2. her body type, and 3. her particular reaction to blood circulation being cut off/restricted, we can't give you definitive answers. But general rules are, if the "spot" in question goes a funny color (red going to a blue to purple. Black is bad, very bad) or starts to cool down, its been too long. You usually have some leeway time-wise to when you need to release, but the closer you are to blue, the less time you need to get that rope off (unless you know intimately the person's tolerance level)

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 9:01:01 PM

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^ That's why I answered the way I did. No matter what size, shape etc.

When they're blue
. . . she's through

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 9:54:44 PM

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Kinky catch-phrases!

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 10:06:10 PM

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Wow, it can turn blue!!!

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 11:21:50 PM

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While not recommended, some have used blood constriction/tissue necrosis, to do self castration. Typically used on large domesticated animals, Elastration as it is called, is the process of placing really really really tight rubber bands around the dangly bits then letting them dry up and fall off. Sympathetic wincing keeps me from talking about the subject any further...

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RE: tied tits - 12/30/2013 11:35:49 PM

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While not recommended, some have used blood constriction/tissue necrosis, to do self castration. Typically used on large domesticated animals, Elastration as it is called, is the process of placing really really really tight rubber bands around the dangly bits then letting them dry up and fall off. Sympathetic wincing keeps me from talking about the subject any further...

isn't that how they made eunuchs?

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 1:19:44 AM

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While not recommended, some have used blood constriction/tissue necrosis, to do self castration. Typically used on large domesticated animals, Elastration as it is called, is the process of placing really really really tight rubber bands around the dangly bits then letting them dry up and fall off. Sympathetic wincing keeps me from talking about the subject any further...

isn't that how they made eunuchs?

Actually, in ancient times they just used the old sharp knife/grab and pull technique. Dangerous procedure, ran the risk of bleeding out before the wound close properly, healing complications and scaring, infection, etc. But eunuchs held some pretty high class places in most societies, so boys, err well the parents of said boys, sacrificed the family jewels. Great risks gained great rewards

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 2:14:12 AM

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Proper eunuchs had the whole lot chopped off, had a straw inserted in the urethra and then were buried up to their necks in sand for 5 days.

As far as breast bondage, get to know and understand your craft. Correctly applying a breast harness can only really be learnt from watching someone who knows what they are doing. Putting rope directly around a breast is difficult unless the breasts are pretty huge and fairly floppy. The rope has a tendency to fall off unless its really tight.

It depends on what you are using and how tight you are applying the harness as to how long you can leave it on but rule of thumb is, never longer than an hour.

Bondaged breasts become red and swollen which isn't a problem but like RS said, 'get the binds off if the breasts start turning blue'.

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 4:00:04 AM

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I'm not sure it is safe to do any kind of breast bondage.

Most ties that wrap around the side of the breast, stretch the ligaments at the side of the breasts that support them, and once these are stretched, they cannot be tightened again. For this reason, breast bondage is a hard limit of mine. What damage you find acceptable is up to you.

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 5:05:46 AM

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I'm not sure how the ligaments would be stretched? Surely its being compressed and supported by the ropes? Ropes tend to lay exactly the same as a support bra with pressure, if any put on the inner horizontal ropes. That allows the fatty tissue to be tightened but just like a bra, there should be no pressure around the ribs, underarms to collar bone and upper chest.

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 5:16:14 AM

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When they turn blue, it's been long enough.

When they drop off, it's been too long.

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 5:30:41 AM

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I'm not sure how the ligaments would be stretched? Surely its being compressed and supported by the ropes? Ropes tend to lay exactly the same as a support bra with pressure, if any put on the inner horizontal ropes. That allows the fatty tissue to be tightened but just like a bra, there should be no pressure around the ribs, underarms to collar bone and upper chest.

It depends whether you're talking about a rope bra, which has the ropes above and below the chest and then a connecting rope in the cleavage - that is fairly supportive of the breasts.

However, rope bondage where the rope is tied in a circle around the breast pulls the fatty tissue down and away from the ligaments that run down the side of the breast, and stretches them.

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 6:19:07 AM

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I've seen some marvelous rope bras that supported large breasts very well. One was worn close to ten hours that I know of, with no obvious problems I could see.

The man who did them does really great rope work, the best I've ever seen.

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 6:53:51 AM

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It depends whether you're talking about a rope bra, which has the ropes above and below the chest and then a connecting rope in the cleavage - that is fairly supportive of the breasts.

However, rope bondage where the rope is tied in a circle around the breast pulls the fatty tissue down and away from the ligaments that run down the side of the breast, and stretches them.

Ah, now I get you and yes, I can see how a rope tied in circles without support could cause damage to the ligaments, especially as it would have to be wrapped very tight.

Personally I have only ever made rope bras. I wouldn't have a clue how to do it any other way.

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RE: tied tits - 12/31/2013 12:37:32 PM

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Male oyster removal can involve constriction.......

http://www.kapelovitz.com/eunuchs.htm

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Self-castrators who shy away from scissors, knives, guns and razor blades, and can't stand the sight of blood, turn to constriction devices, such as an elastrator, which wraps around the base of the scrotum, preventing blood from reaching the testicles. This is the preferred method of castrating farm animals, since it shuts down hormone production but does not require expensive and potentially dangerous surgery. The balls wither away and die, and can easily be removed.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/sexuality/tp/20113-Types-of-Eunuchs-in-the-Roman-Empire.htm

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Thlibiae were those eunuchs whose testicles were bruised or pressed. Mathew Kuefler says the word comes from the Greek verb thlibein 'to press hard'. The process was to tie the scrotum tightly in order to sever the vas deferens without amputation. The genitals would appear normal or close to. This was a far less dangerous operation than cutting.

Page 30 of the Google Book:
The Eunuch in Byzantine History and Society, By Shaun Tougher

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That by compression is performed thus: children, still of a tender age, are placed in a vessel of hot water, and then when the bodily parts are softened in the bath, the testicles are to be squeezed with the fingers until they disappear, and, being dissolved, can no longer be felt. "

Likewise, on page 31, they discuss the compression damage as thus:

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The fact htat the Byzantines typically used the term 'ektomias' (meaning 'cut') for eunichs suggests that the excision method was more common. The existence of the compression method is testified to by other terms for eunichs, such as 'thlibias' (from 'to press') and 'thladias' (from 'to crush'), which were Greek words also utilised by the Romans.

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