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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/12/2014 9:35:49 PM   
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In court MRS. Oulsen said she didn't know there was a problem till the shot was fired which is at odds with
her first story, her second story, and the facts.


I'm not saying that there aren't inconsistencies. It seems hard to believe that Mrs. Oulsen didn't know that the person sitting next to her was arguing with the man behind him, and that he jumped up and turned around to confront him. I'm just saying that from the video I watched, it looks like all Oulsen did was throw a cup of popcorn. I suspect that Oulsen would have continued this, and maybe even attacked Reeves, but as it stands he didn't.

Do you happen to have a link to the video you watched? I tried Google, and got lots of hits, but nothing that was enhanced.

It did not have a proper link.
I looked at the one Ed Bowie posted and the one I saw was much clearer, even the basic tape.
I will try to get you a better link.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/12/2014 9:44:36 PM   
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EB's link was pretty blurry, I had to watch it a few times, but it does look like something was grabbed off of Reeves' lap and immediately thrown back in his face. It was all over in a few seconds. Grab, throw, shot, maybe 3 seconds? Then the first person (Cpl Hamilton I assume) approaches Reeves 5-10 seconds after that?

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/12/2014 9:46:54 PM   
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I have not previewed this so I have know idea what it shows

Sorry seems to be a dead end.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/12/2014 9:50:31 PM   
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EB's link was pretty blurry, I had to watch it a few times, but it does look like something was grabbed off of Reeves' lap and immediately thrown back in his face. It was all over in a few seconds. Grab, throw, shot, maybe 3 seconds? Then the first person (Cpl Hamilton I assume) approaches Reeves 5-10 seconds after that?

Yes mine showed that but you could also see something lit up hitting him.
As I said it was much clearer.
You know it has something for Reeves since his lawyer is all for admitting it.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/12/2014 10:03:34 PM   
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EB's link was pretty blurry, I had to watch it a few times, but it does look like something was grabbed off of Reeves' lap and immediately thrown back in his face. It was all over in a few seconds. Grab, throw, shot, maybe 3 seconds? Then the first person (Cpl Hamilton I assume) approaches Reeves 5-10 seconds after that?

Yes mine showed that but you could also see something lit up hitting him.
As I said it was much clearer.
You know it has something for Reeves since his lawyer is all for admitting it.


I just watched 5 different vids, none were enhanced, but they were longer and showed the whole incident. I'm still seeing the same thing. Reeves and his wife walk in and sit down, he's got a cup in his hand. He leans forward a few times, looks like he's talking to the person in the row ahead of him. Reeves then gets up, puts the cup down and leaves the row. He comes back a short time later, picks up the cup, and puts it either in his lap or the cup-holder. He leans forward again briefly, then sits way back in his chair. A few seconds later the arm comes over the seat, grabs the cup, and throws it. Maybe Oulsen let his phone slip when he threw the cup? I don't know, it's possible, but all I can see is the cup.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/12/2014 10:31:44 PM   
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I have not previewed this so I have know idea what it shows

Sorry seems to be a dead end.

www.myfoxtampabay.com

You can try New video shows different angle of theater shooting

That gets you to the same site showing the tape from the other security camera.
Clearly shows Oulsen standing over a seated Reeves and MRS. Oulsens hand out.
Unfortunately the link puts you in a maze.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/12/2014 11:09:24 PM   
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the subject is the murder of a 43 year old man.....
he is being charged with second degree murder. so your post is invalid.
You know this was a semi auto .38??
how?
do you have a source?
Is it totally bogus that he tried to fire a second shot and it jammed? It cant happen? or are you just making excuses for the killer??





Actually, Lucy, the subject is a rude theater fuckwit getting his ass blown away when he was asked to stop behaving like a fuckwit. We had the story of the guy who got stabbed in the head with an icepick for asking someone in a theater to get off the phone, now we have the counterpoint.

It's interesting that you mention it as a .38, rather than a .380. I'm curious if your husband has explained a bit of this to you. I'm not really a "gun guy" but I'll see if I can give you a quick rundown on something. A .38, a .380, a 9mm, and a .357 all fire a bullet of the same diameter. The difference is in the casing and powder charge behind the bullet. While there are exceptions, revolvers and semiautomatics tend to take different varieties.

Occam's razor says a .380 round is going to be coming out of an automatic. James Bond carried a Walther PPK in a number of the films, so perhaps you can visualize a Pierce Brosnan movie poster and picture the size gun he's posed with. It's a popular choice for concealed carry, because it is relatively small and lightweight.

Also, revolvers don't go into a pocket very well. They bulge at the cylinder, and the hammer (the part that sticks up at the back) tends to get hung up on things, especially when you need to get it out in a hurry.

And yes, it is completely bogus to say the gun jammed when he attempted a second shot. It's certainly possible (even easy) to not be aware of a jam until nothing happens when you pull the trigger on the next round, but they occur after the round is fired.

Making excuses for the killer? Miss the part where I said from go that I'm good with him dying in prison?



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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/13/2014 1:42:40 AM   
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I thought you hid ALL of us when your arguments lost

I only hide people who are rude, irrational, and or arrogant.
I only lose in the minds of people so arrogant as to refuse to see the truth.


Fuck me....... two national irony days in the same week.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/13/2014 1:48:41 AM   
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How we use the language varies a bit, Polite. A semi-auto pistol works the same way on both sides of the Atlantic.




So does murder.




And efforts to change the subject when people are called out on not knowing what the fuck they are talking about


Well excuse me..... I thought the subject was murder or has the Op magically transformed to "Gun weekly"

As for people "not knowing what the fuck they are talking about", is that the same as your blatant lie re my stance on guns ? I did note you quickly disappeared on that particular thread.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/13/2014 4:17:21 AM   
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As for people "not knowing what the fuck they are talking about", is that the same as your blatant lie re my stance on guns ? I did note you quickly disappeared on that particular thread.



That was this thread, Polite, and I didn't disappear, I went to work. I expect you to be completely wrong again, but refresh me on what "lie" that was and I'll be happy to correct you again at my convenience.

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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/13/2014 9:56:02 AM   
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Actually, Lucy, the subject is a rude theater fuckwit getting his ass blown away when he was asked to stop behaving like a fuckwit. We had the story of the guy who got stabbed in the head with an icepick for asking someone in a theater to get off the phone, now we have the counterpoint.
I know what you wanted it to be about Rich, but people see thru your posts... honestly they do...thats not my fault......its yours.

It's interesting that you mention it as a .38, rather than a .380. I'm curious if your husband has explained a bit of this to you. I'm not really a "gun guy" but I'll see if I can give you a quick rundown on something. A .38, a .380, a 9mm, and a .357 all fire a bullet of the same diameter. The difference is in the casing and powder charge behind the bullet. While there are exceptions, revolvers and semiautomatics tend to take different varieties.

Ive read several reports that said it was a 0.38 and several that it was a .380. I actually do understand the sizing of shells, I mentioned it to my hubby simply because some dumbarse claimed that a revolver never jammed.
Blatantly untrue, AND nothing else. Im not arguing anything BUT that...so go hunt for someone else to edumacate.


Occam's razor says a .380 round is going to be coming out of an automatic. James Bond carried a Walther PPK in a number of the films, so perhaps you can visualize a Pierce Brosnan movie poster and picture the size gun he's posed with. It's a popular choice for concealed carry, because it is relatively small and lightweight.
Im not going to ask if you can be any more patronizing, but I know you can, so Im just gonna fart in your general direction.

Also, revolvers don't go into a pocket very well. They bulge at the cylinder, and the hammer (the part that sticks up at the back) tends to get hung up on things, especially when you need to get it out in a hurry.



And yes, it is completely bogus to say the gun jammed when he attempted a second shot. It's certainly possible (even easy) to not be aware of a jam until nothing happens when you pull the trigger on the next round, but they occur after the round is fired..I didnt say it wasnt bogus, I was asking, for a specific reason..

Making excuses for the killer? Miss the part where I said from go that I'm good with him dying in prison? your joy at a "rude fuckwit" being killed, tells so much more:)






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RE: Death penalty for being an asshole - 2/13/2014 3:55:25 PM   
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As for people "not knowing what the fuck they are talking about", is that the same as your blatant lie re my stance on guns ? I did note you quickly disappeared on that particular thread.



That was this thread, Polite, and I didn't disappear, I went to work. I expect you to be completely wrong again, but refresh me on what "lie" that was and I'll be happy to correct you again at my convenience.


Lmao......... I have pointed it out already. If you cant be arsed to look for it, thats not my problem. Others will have read your claim re my viewpoint, and the link I gave disproving it. Thats good enough for me.

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