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littlewonder -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 2:07:27 PM)

If you repeatedly attract the same it's time to look at yourself and not them.




Rawni -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 2:15:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

If you repeatedly attract the same it's time to look at yourself and not them.



I do believe in a personal sense this is correct. However, online and on web sites such as CM, this is more often the case of... certain kinky people, clumped together, often doing the same things. Just look at the many threads that give percentages or ask for them and the thread about the silly things we get in email. [:D]

My profile for example... yes, go look... I need the views. [8|] I tend to scare people away. Do I want to scare away that one special person that could meet many of my requirements or personal wishes? No... but you know, I am willing to take that chance because of the high percentage of idiots lighting up my new mail thingamabob. lol I have not found anyone from this site that could rock my world in any way that is good. My seeking goes far better in person. So I survive this place as well as enjoy it and get far less mail to deal with whether I answer it, block it, kick ass with it or keep up with friends with it.

Most adults should understand that it is what it is and if things are not fairing well for you... you evaluate it. Don't they? [:D]




Kana -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 2:48:47 PM)

Question for the OP
(And I want to be clear. This is in no way an attack or any such thing.I don't know you.I don't really read many of your posts so essentially I have no impression of you at all except what I read in this thread. As for Finning-whatever.I have no opinion on the subject whatsoever.What some idiot does with his loot is his bidness and it sure as shit ain't mine.)
It sounds to me as if your profile isn't written as true to yourself, that you've designed it in some ways based on feedback from others,including "male submissives." So in some ways,is it fair to say that what is written isn't truly reflective of you as a human being, as a woman and as a Domme?
If that's the case (And hey,I could be 100% wrong here), is your profile written (And this is sure the way it reads to me) for professional reasons as opposed to matters of the heart and emotional connections?
If so, can you see how by presenting yourself in such a way you might possibly be setting yourself up to attract the same?

My POV is simple-You're a Domme.That means you're the take charge person in the relationship. Which,happily enough,means that you don't change for them but rather they do so for you.On your terms.At your bidding. As exactly who and what you are.
Why the hell else be in control?
No subterfuge or packaging needed.
Accept me as I am and submit to the person standing in front of ya or hit the road, bucko
So be honest and straight up on the profile. If peeps don't like it,fuck em, they can go pound sand.
But at least you'll be putting the real you out there and by doing so,maybe increasing the chances of making deeper connections.

ETA-Plus it gives you the moral high ground and that's always a lofty perch for a dominant to reign from :-)




GoddessManko -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 3:02:11 PM)

Contact is fine dear, pursuit is something different entirely. But I DO believe in the old fashioned ideals of chivalrous cat and mouse.
I think also talking to a man from outside his car window while he's seated in his car is indecent, as is walking on the outside of the sidewalk. So maybe I'm a time traveller. ;)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

I find it really strange that male dominants happily make the initial contact with the fem sub but many fem Dommes don't believe in making initial contact with the male sub. Is it all about old fashioned male/female values?!





LadyPact -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 3:10:51 PM)

Sort of a fast reply after only skimming the thread.

It seems to Me that MIP answered this from the most common sense perspective on page two. If you, OP, believe yourself to be a Dominant woman, or that any woman is Dominant, the same potential for the reverse must be true for males and some are submissive. Otherwise, you believe that submission lies in the genitals in some way and only those with a vagina are able to accomplish it. Might as well say that every person who carries a Y chromosome must possess certain characteristics in some way, while those of us with two X chromosomes can't possibly achieve it.

Now, we already know that a person and who they are is not defined by those chromosomes or what they happen to have between their legs. Why would Dominance or submission be any different?

I'm sorry that you don't meet good submissives, OP. I sincerely am. I read that bit about how your profile ended up the way it was because people were telling you that it had to be a certain way. I can tell you that, the longer you do this thing, the less you care about what other people think of it. When you get to the point where you tell people that your life is not a democracy and they don't get a vote, it's going to happen, no matter what method you use of meeting people.




GoddessManko -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 3:28:57 PM)

Actually Peon, I'm nothing like whatever femdoms you may know(cliche alert). Hello fellow stranger :)




mummyman321 -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 5:10:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali

In my real life or while using websites like collarme or fetlife I have come across hundreds of "submissive men." I've also met a few men in real life under completely vanilla circumstances who revealed to me they were subs because they thought I had a dominating personality. I'd say I could count the number of truly submissive ones on one hand. And when I say "truly submissive" I mean they genuinely put their Domme first. 99% just had a fetish or fantasy they wanted to play out or told me what I had to do to them. That's not being a submissive it's topping from the bottom. Which is fine but then don't call yourself a submissive. Just say you have a scenario you want to play out. I was hospitalized a couple years ago and had three subs that were serving me (I guess that's what you'd call it). And I informed them all I had been hospitalized and two dissappeared. One later told me it was because I clearly couldn't dominate him while in the hospital. The third was a truly wonderful man and he had flowers sent to my room. Granted I'm not involved in the local community so my knowledge is mostly limited to online and a lot comes from the forums, in which I rarely see sub men posting and if I do it seems they're wanking it while typing whatever they're saying lol. But many women post who seem truly dedicated and submissive. So I'm curious to know, do you think it's in men's nature to be truly submissive to a woman or is it all a sexual fantasy? Or is it just something that comes around once in a blue moon?


I will say this. You get out of a relationship what you put into it. Now if you expect paying clients (you advertise as a Fin Domme) to come send you flowers or visit you in the hospital is not very realistic. You only spend a small amount of your time Domming them and they are paying for that. Why would you expect them to send you flowers or visit you in the hospital. If they ended up in the hospital would you send them flowers or visit them for free????

I have nothing against Fin Domme or ProDommes. But you need to be realistic about your subs. If you only share and hour or two of your time per week or month, how much time do you really think they are going to give you back?




Rawni -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 5:41:51 PM)

[sm=goodpost.gif] and point Mummy.




Kana -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 6:33:14 PM)

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When you get to the point where you tell people that your life is not a democracy and they don't get a vote,

Cripes woman,you're stealing my lines.
I say exactly that to mouse from time to time.




LadyPact -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 6:55:25 PM)

That was My sig line here for a couple of years, Kana. LOL.

"I appreciate your opinion and all, but My dynamic is not a democracy and you don't get a vote."




GoddessManko -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 6:58:08 PM)

I wish this was twitter, I'd follow mummyman321's posts. :)




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 7:14:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

That was My sig line here for a couple of years, Kana. LOL.

"I appreciate your opinion and all, but My dynamic is not a democracy and you don't get a vote."



Heh, I always loved that one LP. My personal fav, although not in a sig line, but I say it A LOT: It's so cute when you think this is a democracy.

Exiled




slavedne -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 9:01:51 PM)

ThePrincessKali,

This being my first post, I am not yet well known on Collarme. I am a sub / slave male. I believe that I am truly submissive. I do enjoy simple fetish play now and then, but a good relationship with a Dominant partner is far more fulfilling. That is what having a Master or Mistress is to me, a relationship, with give and take on both sides. What is exchanged is often not physical or financial, though I do enjoy giving something I have made myself. The manner in which we serve will vary, but we can be an ear to listen, a shoulder to lean on, a cook, chauffeur, maid, butler, personal assistant, furniture, or even whipping boy, if necessary. I know I pride myself in my flexibility in being whatever is needed. Often, we provide for the physical needs so that you may focus on whatever needs your attention. We are honored to be your play mates when you have the need and the time, but it is not necessarily our primary purpose. On the other hand, we do have needs, too. If our current partner is unable to see to our needs, or we are unable to see to theirs, it is the responsibility of both partners to to identify this and to move on.

Though I am not attracted to it, I understand the need for financial domination that some of us have. It seems to me, as you and several others have already stated, that you are trying to fill a niche, but finding that it doesn't suit your overall needs. I respectfully submit that you might have more luck expressing yourself, your needs and desires as your main profile, and then adding as an afterthought that you are capable and willing to extend yourself to financial and other particular fetishes.

From my limited perspective, you do seem like a good person who could do very well with the right sub. Please keep in mind that relationships evolve and individual needs change. Life is an exploration. You will lead, but your sub will support you and watch your back, just as you will ensure your sub's safety and well-being.

I hope you find what you seek.




ThePrincessKali -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 9:42:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rawni

I don’t believe that there is a woman alive and out there in some degree… meaning on this site, online, in person, etc. that hasn’t had a man claim to be something he wasn’t, that hasn’t had a man treat them like an object, hasn’t come at you like a piece of meat for their pleasure or acted like an idiot, has failed to do as promised, hasn’t lied… and on and on. We all know the experience to one degree or another.

Whether we had something to do with that or not, whether we said something offhanded, wore a sexy something or other, were in a church, bar or web site or just appeared to be something ‘they’ thought we were and how they evaluated that; we have all experienced it. It isn’t just a findom, loose woman or whatever thing… it is a ‘I carry a vagina thing’ and ‘a male generated perception thing’.

Sometimes we can evaluate a situation and find something we can surely know, assume to know or think is the reason for this or that… but no matter how we present, how we conduct ourselves, dress or where we are… this shit happens and most of us have seen it.

There are men that haven’t gotten a chance… just as well as women that haven’t had a chance. Life isn’t fair… people can suck and it is simply a life experience whether we like it, cause it or are subject to it. It is what it is. Does that mean I don’t think we can do anything about it? NO! It means that sometimes it will just be that way and sometimes we can change an opinion or action and sometime it won’t be worth the effort.

We all… and I do mean all of us, will take each situation in life and may respond to it in a way we might not another time. We all evaluate things and sometimes may have flexible responses. We may have a ‘most-generally‘, type of response but we can vary for various reasons or perceptions theirs or ours, change our mind or just simply be in a different mood or had a recent experience that might come in to play. That doesn’t always have to come off as inconsistent to a reasonable person or mean that we haven’t a set mind in areas where a set mind is important. Some things are situational based on a whole lot of things.

Are there submissive men? Yes. Are there kinky men? Yes. The rest is opinion and experiences.



Very wise words, thank you for your response.




ThePrincessKali -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 9:49:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slavedne

ThePrincessKali,

This being my first post, I am not yet well known on Collarme. I am a sub / slave male. I believe that I am truly submissive. I do enjoy simple fetish play now and then, but a good relationship with a Dominant partner is far more fulfilling. That is what having a Master or Mistress is to me, a relationship, with give and take on both sides. What is exchanged is often not physical or financial, though I do enjoy giving something I have made myself. The manner in which we serve will vary, but we can be an ear to listen, a shoulder to lean on, a cook, chauffeur, maid, butler, personal assistant, furniture, or even whipping boy, if necessary. I know I pride myself in my flexibility in being whatever is needed. Often, we provide for the physical needs so that you may focus on whatever needs your attention. We are honored to be your play mates when you have the need and the time, but it is not necessarily our primary purpose. On the other hand, we do have needs, too. If our current partner is unable to see to our needs, or we are unable to see to theirs, it is the responsibility of both partners to to identify this and to move on.

Though I am not attracted to it, I understand the need for financial domination that some of us have. It seems to me, as you and several others have already stated, that you are trying to fill a niche, but finding that it doesn't suit your overall needs. I respectfully submit that you might have more luck expressing yourself, your needs and desires as your main profile, and then adding as an afterthought that you are capable and willing to extend yourself to financial and other particular fetishes.

From my limited perspective, you do seem like a good person who could do very well with the right sub. Please keep in mind that relationships evolve and individual needs change. Life is an exploration. You will lead, but your sub will support you and watch your back, just as you will ensure your sub's safety and well-being.

I hope you find what you seek.



Well for starters thank you for letting me pop your first post cherry lol. And that you this was a truly honest and well thought out answer.




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/27/2014 10:08:43 PM)

This, and exactly THIS.
I do things as I please and not for someone else's desires. If you have a dominant personality, why would YOU? Stop allowing others to influence you. Influence THEM.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

My POV is simple-You're a Domme.That means you're the take charge person in the relationship. Which,happily enough,means that you don't change for them but rather they do so for you.On your terms.At your bidding. As exactly who and what you are.

Accept me as I am and submit to the person standing in front of ya or hit the road, bucko





thishereboi -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/28/2014 5:33:08 AM)

You make it very clear in your profile that you don't care about your subs unless they are shelling out money. Now you come here whining because they didn't get all upset when you were in the hospital and hover about to make sure you were ok. Sounds to me like you got exactly what you asked for. Personally I know a shitload of male subs who put their domme first but the majority of them were met in real life situations and not online so maybe that's part of your problem.




Zonie63 -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/28/2014 6:07:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThePrincessKali
Granted I'm not involved in the local community so my knowledge is mostly limited to online and a lot comes from the forums, in which I rarely see sub men posting and if I do it seems they're wanking it while typing whatever they're saying lol. But many women post who seem truly dedicated and submissive. So I'm curious to know, do you think it's in men's nature to be truly submissive to a woman or is it all a sexual fantasy? Or is it just something that comes around once in a blue moon?


I can't speak for other submissive men, but I can sense that there might be a number of things going on here. For one thing, just because somebody is submissive, it doesn't mean that they're going to submit to just anybody.

One other thing to keep in mind is that if a submissive male has been submissive most of his life, he's probably learned very quickly to be guarded and wary.

I don't know what "truly" submissive means, and I suppose everyone has their own idea of what male submission and/or female dominance is supposed to be.

Related to that, I've seen some profiles state what they don't want and some put forth their ideal of what they think a submissive male is supposed to be. Many state that they wish a male to put the Domme's needs ahead of his own and be devoted to service and not view dominant women as fetish delivery services. I get that entirely, and there are some men who are like that, whose lives do not center around their fantasies or sexual desires. But another thing to keep in mind is that many of these guys are not so desperate or horny as the majority of self-proclaimed "sub males" seem to be portrayed here.

So, those who are not as desperate nor act like addle-headed horndogs are likely to be thinking with the big head as opposed to the little head, and therein lies the Catch-22 here.






kdsub -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/28/2014 7:59:11 AM)

It seems to me that some so called dommies think the world revolves around them and they have no responsibility in fostering relationships. To me a good relationship is where both the sub and Dom put each other first.

Butch




kalikshama -> RE: Can men be truly submissive? (1/28/2014 9:39:53 AM)

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I will say this. You get out of a relationship what you put into it. Now if you expect paying clients (you advertise as a Fin Domme) to come send you flowers or visit you in the hospital is not very realistic. You only spend a small amount of your time Domming them and they are paying for that. Why would you expect them to send you flowers or visit you in the hospital. If they ended up in the hospital would you send them flowers or visit them for free????

I have nothing against Fin Domme or ProDommes. But you need to be realistic about your subs. If you only share and hour or two of your time per week or month, how much time do you really think they are going to give you back?


Ya, when I had a skin cancer removed from my nose, my man took the day off from work and drove me to the hospital. But he's my boyfriend in addition to my Dom and we see each other four days a week. He helps me with my family and I with his. We spent time with each other's family at the holidays, etc.




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