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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/28/2014 2:59:23 PM   
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I didn't mean to imply that keeping the Monarchy is essential. I just wondered how it would "done away with".

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/28/2014 3:02:00 PM   
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The whole damn lot of them would have to abdicate and go and live in a semi-detached in Finchley maybe ?
I wonder why I chose Finchley ? It has never done me any harm.

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/28/2014 3:11:27 PM   
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What would you replace it with though. Because Presidents Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg would be ten times worse imho.

Another question if I may, why do most abolishionists end up in the House of Lords, the two faced bastards.

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/28/2014 3:14:09 PM   
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Good point P.S.............Maybe Britain needs another Cromwell but again, if you abolish the house of lords, what are you left with ? a bunch of yellow, lily-livered politicians who are so bent they have to screw their pants on.................sounds like Australia !!!

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/28/2014 3:20:17 PM   
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and most of the members of the house of lords are surely only interested in maintaining the status quo ?
We have the senate in Australia which is supposed to provide 'checks and balances' as they call it and unlike the house of lords, they may not vote for the status quo, but they WILL vote along party lines, which makes them about as useful as tits on a bull

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/28/2014 11:02:52 PM   
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Since the OP wishes to keep this out of P&R - please, let's leave American politics out of the conversation.


You know, seriously, Rho, it's almost as though since it's 'only' about UK politics, it doesn't really fit into the category of 'politics' at all? It's quite strange. For some Brits, like me, this really is hot politics. For most Brits, it doesn't matter one way or another. For a few, our Royal Family is vital and they're the flip side of the coin that I live on. For Americans, I have no doubt, it doesn't matter much and is just some whimsical little debate.

Personally, I wouldn't want to leave out American politics here. For instance, I'd particularly like to know why a Royal Family in the UK is somehow acceptable, right and 'natural', whereas in the USA it would look unbelievably stupid, ridiculous and unacceptable.

Oh, and another thing, Rho . . . Royalists in the UK have always banged it as much as they can that our Royal Family is "above politics". To we non-Royalists, this is bollocks. It's a game that pro and anti Royals have been playing here in the UK for centuries.


Thanks for saying this, Peon, because I was trying and failing to think of a tactful way of saying it. I don't see how a debate about whether a monarchy is right/wanted can be anything OTHER than political. It is, after all, one of our oldest governing institutions, even if it's only symbolic now.

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/29/2014 2:38:55 AM   
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How awesome it must be to have a Queen....instead of what we have.
Seriously though, that must be awesome.



The Royal Family, plus its buildings and what-not, does indeed add a bit to the UK's attraction as a tourist attraction. But few tourists say that the existence, or otherwise, of our RF would have made any appreciable difference to their given motivation to visit the UK. There are more visitors to the London Eye, apparently, than there visitors to Buckingham Palace.
Seriously though, that must be awesome.

During the Queen Jubilee its estimated £120m in sales to London's businesses. Ten thousand street parties brought neighbourhoods together who in turn raised massive amounts for their chosen charities.

The recent royal wedding delivered a £107m boost to retailers in London.

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For me, the most revolting thing about British culture has always, and will probably always be, its class-ridden culture. The institution of the British Royal Family underpins all that. I don't see it even beginning to fade away till the Royal Family disappears.


Whilst I agree that all aristocracy amounts to snobbery, when we look further afield to countries such as America and George W Bush and then there's Parkistan with Benazir Bhutto. It doesn't take the presence of a crown to witness inherited power.






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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/29/2014 5:25:09 AM   
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While I can (sort of) understand that the British have a fondness and sentimentality for their Royal Family, I could never understand Americans who are fascinated by and idolize monarchy. When the U.S. was established and in the decades which followed, a monarchist was viewed much the same way that communists were viewed during the McCarthy era. They were the worst of the worst.

I will give some credit to the UK monarchy since they reformed by themselves and gave up most of their power, as opposed to other European monarchies which were too stubborn and had to be overthrown (and replaced by some extremist government which caused even more trouble on that continent).

To Americans, it might seem something like a fairy tale. Kings, Queens, white knights, sleeping beauty, princesses kissing frogs - that sort of stuff. It doesn't seem like the real world, but more like something out of a storybook.

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/29/2014 12:19:10 PM   
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I agree that some Americans may view the royal family as a fairy tale. For me, however, it has more to do with my appreciation for the history.
I will say, in response to Peon's post, the royal family would not be my reason for visiting and not even sure if I'd make time visiting the palace. There are many, many other places I would much rather visit.

Whether or not they're useful is not for me to decide so I've never really thought about it. I would be somewhat disappointed if they (UK) did away with it all, simply because I appreciate others' continued traditions.

I do also appreciate our (US) government as it is, flaws and all, because that's what we have. Sometimes, I do wonder how we would be today if we never broke away. I imagine things wouldn't be much different since I have yet to hear of a perfect form of government or a population unanimously agreeing 100% with the government they have.

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/29/2014 1:35:17 PM   
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Since the OP wishes to keep this out of P&R - please, let's leave American politics out of the conversation.


You know, seriously, Rho, it's almost as though since it's 'only' about UK politics, it doesn't really fit into the category of 'politics' at all? It's quite strange. For some Brits, like me, this really is hot politics. For most Brits, it doesn't matter one way or another. For a few, our Royal Family is vital and they're the flip side of the coin that I live on. For Americans, I have no doubt, it doesn't matter much and is just some whimsical little debate.

Personally, I wouldn't want to leave out American politics here. For instance, I'd particularly like to know why a Royal Family in the UK is somehow acceptable, right and 'natural', whereas in the USA it would look unbelievably stupid, ridiculous and unacceptable.

Oh, and another thing, Rho . . . Royalists in the UK have always banged it as much as they can that our Royal Family is "above politics". To we non-Royalists, this is bollocks. It's a game that pro and anti Royals have been playing here in the UK for centuries.


Thanks for saying this, Peon, because I was trying and failing to think of a tactful way of saying it. I don't see how a debate about whether a monarchy is right/wanted can be anything OTHER than political. It is, after all, one of our oldest governing institutions, even if it's only symbolic now.


Yes, but I'm attempting to keep it from sliding into a mud slinging contest about American politics, which is where it was headed. Yesterday was the State of the Union address for the US, and tensions were high on both sides.

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/29/2014 1:54:01 PM   
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How can you have a discussion like this without comparisons being made?

This is too much censorship for my liking and so on that note, for me this topic is now dead.

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RE: Thoughts on royalty (UK, specifically). - 1/29/2014 3:00:30 PM   
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It's OK as far as I'm concerned, Rho. The arguments in the UK context are really well-rehearsed for us Brits and I'm pretty much done with this thread too. Anyway, I've got tax returns to do. No more fun for me for a while!

ETA: And I get your point about the State of the Union Address. That was thoughtful, Rho.

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