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The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 6:17:08 AM   
Ladyofthemanor


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Status: offline 		i would like people's opinion on this link from the director of the movie The Pet

http://WWW.thepetmovie.Com/DStevensComm_Broadband.mov

Not sure it he is anti-bdsm or is just covering his ass, as far as the move is concerned.  Yes the trailer is pretty tantalizing like most trailers are, so they can fill the seats of the theater.  But for him to come out with this interview prior to the release of the film makes me wonder why. 

Anywhoo, please P/people have a look and let me know what you think.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 9:11:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		where can I get that on DVD? Ive never heard of it before

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 9:34:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you google '"The Pet" movie' you'll read that they're having a hard time getting the movie released, that is, shown in theaters.  I'd say what you termed an "interview", though it seems more like a monologue to me, is an attempt to show social relevance for the movie to help make it acceptable to the industry and get it in theaters.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 11:36:34 AM   
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If you google '"The Pet" movie' you'll read that they're having a hard time getting the movie released, that is, shown in theaters.  I'd say what you termed an "interview", though it seems more like a monologue to me, is an attempt to show social relevance for the movie to help make it acceptable to the industry and get it in theaters.


I partially agree, and partially disagree.

I downloaded and watched the "interview".  It is not an interview at all, but a well-scripted bit of propaganda.

Anti-D/s propaganda.

There is no ... I repeat ... NO part of his monologue that even gives a hint that he (the writer and director) finds anything of value in a D/s relationship.  That all such relationships are based on coercion, mental illness, abuse and financial motives.

Don't get me wrong, I'd probably watch the movie and enjoy it.  Just don't believe for a minute that the movie in anyway benefits the "community" by doing any kind of educating, or has any value in showing a D/s relationship in a positive light.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 11:49:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're lucky you got to see the trailer,I tried and my ancient computer would'nt run it,much to my dissapointment.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 12:41:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found the interview to be a very hypocritical piece of propaganda.  Based on the director / writer's own words he seems thoroughly disgusted by the D/s lifestyle and sees it as being wrong, criminal, and sick.  He associates it with nonconsensual slavery, modern slave trade, and implies that the D/s lifetyle is a gateway to the slave trade.  Yet he makes a movie about it with every intention of profitting off of the very thing he despises... hypocrisy.

While the movie may be entertaining, its also will do nothing to benefit the D/s lifestyle.  The movie apparently goes from a consensual lifestyle to nonconsensual slave trade, criminal activities, secret organizations and every bad cliche you can think of by the end of the movie.  Again, the writer's feelings seem to come through, associating WIITWD with slave trade and criminals.  That's not an image any of us should support or want out there.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 12:49:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		FirmhandKY, Padriag,  I agree with their posts. He seemed to be a one sided, biased jerk. Even when watching the interviews with the actors. Their "research" is incredibly one sided. It is as if no one  in that entire cast, crew, or board, EVER intended to look at BDSM with open eyes, and open minds. They sought to flame the lifestyle from the beginning, and I am sure that was probably part of the producers and directors decision when trying to find the right cast.

I do however like that in the trailer, as it seems, the Master tries to rescue his slave and the others in that secret organization, because he does believe in concent. But I may watch this movie for the sole purpose of entertainment. It doesn't hold a lot of merit at all.

I do find it amusing that he mentioned The Slave Registry. My slave is on there :P

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 1:07:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Organizing opposition to a contraversial film is the latest form of gurrilla marketing: The Da Vinci Code is an example - websites debunking the scholarly underpinnings of the movie are actually sponsored by the films distributors.

In any case, BDSM and alternative lifestyles in general, tend to be easy targets for mass media: CSI has done several episodes where mass murderers were into BDSM community lifestyles, and BDSM/alternative lifestles are presented in poor light - although in at least one episode, a Dominatrix is presented in a more sympathetic fashion.

It's just symbolism, Black leather, sexual sadism, etc., are all associated with "bad guys", makes it an easy out for writers, and I suppose the BDSM community is not well organized in terms of political activism, letter writing campaigns, etc., like the Theists are.

Can't comment on the trailer, can't get it to come up, but I'l have to look for that movie.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 1:14:09 PM   
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Organizing opposition to a contraversial film is the latest form of gurrilla marketing


Probably because you are more likely going to remember those things you are opposed to.

I want to write a letter to them, but half the website is unfinished, and I highly doubt anyone over there would give the letter serious merit anyway.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 2:05:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: EndConfusionNE

If you google '"The Pet" movie' you'll read that they're having a hard time getting the movie released, that is, shown in theaters. I'd say what you termed an "interview", though it seems more like a monologue to me, is an attempt to show social relevance for the movie to help make it acceptable to the industry and get it in theaters.


I partially agree, and partially disagree.

I downloaded and watched the "interview". It is not an interview at all, but a well-scripted bit of propaganda.

Anti-D/s propaganda.

There is no ... I repeat ... NO part of his monologue that even gives a hint that he (the writer and director) finds anything of value in a D/s relationship. That all such relationships are based on coercion, mental illness, abuse and financial motives.

Don't get me wrong, I'd probably watch the movie and enjoy it. Just don't believe for a minute that the movie in anyway benefits the "community" by doing any kind of educating, or has any value in showing a D/s relationship in a positive light.

FHky



I felt this way when I saw the trailer that was linked in another forum on this website. I just didn't see anything that was really all that positive when there was so much focused on with the "crime" element and the fact that the woman who seemed highlighted was living on the street to start.

I thought maybe her "master" could turn out to be a hero but I wasn't holding out hope.

The question, which Fox asked me when I showed him the trailer, is a very good one in my opinion. How will those who see themselves as kinky respond?

Will they just go see it and pull out fantasy material? Will they refuse to see it? Will they use it to start discussions about BDSM vs. abuse/rape/etc?

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 2:26:50 PM   
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Probably because you are more likely going to remember those things you are opposed to.

I want to write a letter to them, but half the website is unfinished, and I highly doubt anyone over there would give the letter serious merit anyway.


Well, yes, although I think the idea is that uncontolled opposition is the thing to be avoided - by organizing the opposition themselves, they retain some measure of control over it.

I'm not sure if it would be a good thing or a bad thing if the BDSM community were more organized. In most ways however, it isn't any "worse" than anything else.

The movie I had a real problem with was Frailty - it seemed to me to condone preemptive murder based on personal revelation rather than the rule of law and evidence, which although imperfect, are not as prone to rapid distortion and escalation as that sort of hunch playing.

The difference is that sexual predators are generally defined as "evil", whereas religious psychopaths are usually defined as simply misguided or mentally ill - which is usually the case in both pathologies.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 2:35:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I liked the trailer, we didnt see enough of the plot though to tell whether it is going to portray two sides of human slavery, consensual non-abusive and abusive.

As far as the writers monologue, damn damn damn frizzam frazzam, grrrrr.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 2:36:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not having seen the actual movie, I can't comment on whether or not it is an acurate representation of the lifestyle.  However, I did watch the film clip of the director explaining the movie in his own words.  I don't believe that he was passing judgement on the lifestyle, but only pointing out the realities of non-consentual slavery versus consentual slavery as a means of clarification. 

It takes a great deal of courage to produce a move about a taboo subject like BDSM; but without having see it, I cannot say whether the movie was produced for sensationalism and profit, or simply an honest attempt to present the subject matter in a mature and subjective manner.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 2:39:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Amaros said, I also think that this is part of a "viral" or guerrilla marketing campaign, intended to get attention to the movie.  In this particular case, I'm not sure if the director actually holds the views he is exposing, or has intentionally made comparisons and statements that might inflame some people in the community.

I can see the ads now:  "See the movie that exposes the truth, and has generated protests by slave owners all across the world .... ".

If so, then it is a hypocritical use of a minority for commercial purposes - which I find reprehensible - or it is exactly what it appears to be: a narrow-minded, vicious attack on a group of people made out of ignorance, sloth or hatred.  Either way, it's not something that I'm willing to condone, and I do not intend to  play into their hands either way.

I'll just download the movie from ... somewhere, if it is ever available, and I decide to watch it.  But they won't get a penny from my pocket, nor find me supporting them on their myspace site or writing letters like they want, or any of the other things that they apparently want "the community" to do to "help them" get the movie into release.

It seems to me that their marketing department is using an old Stalinist trick: getting the object of the attack to agree with their own culpability.

No matter how you slice it, no matter if the movie is a great movie, it's dishonest at the least.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 3:01:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Everything in that video was great until he started bashing those that portray images of servitude as positive and normal.  *growls*  I still want to see that movie though.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 3:05:23 PM   
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Life as His blog.

Emerald's Myspace discussion (look for Mag's comments.  She posts a complete transcript of the director's "interview", if you can't download the video of it.)

The Director and Producer doing a bit of back-stepping on the issue.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 3:27:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		From the third link above, in his own words:

In my opinion the media in general and film in particular have openly endorsed non-consensual slavery and slave profiteers in the most glamorous settings possible. As long as the media does not use words like slavery or chattel or human trafficking, films can portray pimps, street hookers or the military as fundamentally normal if not outright successful professions.

Draw you own conclusions.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 4:59:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		My understanding from what I keep reading is that it is a movie that is very critical of the lifestyle but because it is a fringe type of movie is trying really hard to market it at the demographic it criticizes. Nothing I've heard about it indicates that it is positive towards us in any way.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 7/6/2006 5:23:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm thinking about writing a letter to the writer,, this has been what Ive played with so far..the more I think about what he said, the more I am upset by it....grrr grrr grrr

To the Writer,

I live as a slave to a master by choice. I was really disappointed with how you represented people involved in this type of relationship in your monologue. You're points were valid, there are really bad scenario's out there, including the extremes you talked about regarding the actions of John Robinson, someone the whole bdsm community knows about and rejects as being part of that community.

The fact is though, there are abusive relationships everywhere, even within your "normal" vanilla socially acceptable relationships. It would be ludicrous to paint a picture that all relationships are abusive based on the ones that are. There are murderers and rapists and no end to people out in the world who cause harm to other people, most of the serial killers out there are seen as regular folks no one would suspect and have nothing to do with the bdsm community or master/slave relationship.

I do not know what you're motives were in portraying our choice of relationship as you did in such a one-side way. All I can say is, by doing so you have shown a lack of personal integrity. You create a movie that inevitably you will make money from, based on a lifestyle you judge harshly and as abusive and wrong.

The trailer for the movie was interesting. It didn't show enough of the plot to get a handle on whether the movie itself will show both sides of the coin. I will be looking forward to seeing it.

How does that sound so far? I think people should write letters.

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RE: The Pet (movie) anti-bdsm? - 8/13/2006 10:48:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings,
 
    I wonder how many people from the bdsm -- D/s community would be willing
to partake in a documentry that shows the positive side.   I might be willing to
produce such a documentary if enough members of the community were
interested in participating.  Faces could be made unrecognizable by photo
image manipulation that puts faces out of focus.  You may have seen this
on shows like COPS, where they can't show someone's face for legal reasons.
 
    I wonder if any members from the community would be interested in a
collaborative effort, and if local clubs would have an interest in raising money
to help dedray production costs.
 
    I think we could make an R-rated documentry that the general public would
find interesting and educational, and would help all of us.
 
Best regards,
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