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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Now I dare you people tell me that humanity is not getting more fucking stupid with each generation.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

He claims facts but doesn't have any to support the initiatives in NC, TX, and PA.

And he skated over the question of why anyone would commit voter fraud when:

(1) It's a felony and;

(2) It's meaningless. One vote doesn't push the dial in an election at all.

Why risk a felony conviction for a single vote?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Is part of the argument that acquiring photo ID costs money which some of the harder up voters* might not be able to stretch to?
Are there free forms of photo ID available in the 'States, or do you have to pay to get something that qualifies you to vote?

*(Obvs, they would vote Democrat, like all untermensch, but they should still be allowed to vote even so)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Why, when there isn't any voting fraud to begin with?

Why make up a costly solution for a problem that doesn't exist?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Why, when there isn't any voting fraud to begin with?

Why make up a costly solution for a problem that doesn't exist?

Did you know that in the Wis. recall election that Milwaukee had a voter turnout of 120%.
No evidence of fraud there.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

To me, it's a disappointment that so many people on this thread talk about people's' responsibilities to the government and not governments' responsibilities towards people. For me, this issue is primarily about how to prevent powerful political interests from being fraudulent. Gawd. The question arises: "when is an inalienable right not an inalienable right?" Well, obviously, when it comes to the right to vote: when someone doesn't have some pissy little bit of official paper or another, as decreed by the government of the day. Pop goes the Constitution, whisked aside by nothing more than red tape.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Why, when there isn't any voting fraud to begin with?

Why make up a costly solution for a problem that doesn't exist?

Did you know that in the Wis. recall election that Milwaukee had a voter turnout of 120%.
No evidence of fraud there.

Because it didn't happen.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/impressive-voter-turnout-for-recall-election-t15uajf-160606775.html

Do not believe the crazy shit you read on right wing sites.

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ORIGINAL: Ladytisha

Ever been to Texas?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Why, when there isn't any voting fraud to begin with?

Why make up a costly solution for a problem that doesn't exist?

Did you know that in the Wis. recall election that Milwaukee had a voter turnout of 120%.
No evidence of fraud there.

Because it didn't happen.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/impressive-voter-turnout-for-recall-election-t15uajf-160606775.html

Do not believe the crazy shit you read on right wing sites.

And you don't believe the poll workers were convicted of voter fraud in Ohio, one of them voted 8 times,
it was even covered by msnbc.
Anyone who doesn't think there is voter fraud is wearing blinders.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You repeated a claim that wasn't true. The thing to do is own it and apologize.

And you are ignoring claims that are clearly true

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You repeated a claim that wasn't true. The thing to do is own it and apologize.

And you are ignoring claims that are clearly true

Heeeeeres Scotty!
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"Cap'n, the ironicator cannae take any more!"

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Why, when there isn't any voting fraud to begin with?

Why make up a costly solution for a problem that doesn't exist?

Did you know that in the Wis. recall election that Milwaukee had a voter turnout of 120%.
No evidence of fraud there.

Because it didn't happen.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/impressive-voter-turnout-for-recall-election-t15uajf-160606775.html

Do not believe the crazy shit you read on right wing sites.

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To me, it's a disappointment that so many people on this thread talk about people's' responsibilities to the government

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
How much food do you eat?
Photo IDs are required for privileges, not rights. Things we want to have for which we will surrender freedoms. Driving a car or airplane are privileges granted after establishing the competency to not be a danger to others. Credit is the biggie today, a privilege you gain by making a contract with a bank and can exercise at those institutions and some merchants once you satisfy their requirements as to identity (Photo ID!). Voting is a guaranteed right of every free adult.
The issue seems to generate an amazing amount of heat (evidence of underlying class or racial prejudice stoked to agitation, in my opinion) that has No relation to any actual problem or fraud. There just isn't any misrepresented identity voting going on! The massive and current fraud occurs previously entering false names to voter rolls (For which false IDs will, of course, be generated) or deleting qualified voters. Photo IDs to use financial credit privately arranged with private entities are obviously counters to massive dishonesty and theft, hardly subject to Constitutional protection. SNAP/EBT food credit cards don't require photo IDs to my knowledge, just the correct pass code.
The whole campaign is a deceit based on widespread ignorance. In many neighborhoods, particularly 'disadvantaged' ones the Right fears will vote against them, phony picture IDs are easier and faster to obtain than valid ones.