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MsLadySue -> I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 10:28:51 AM)

While reading over on FL, I ran across a piece by Mellissimo that I feel needs to reach a wider audience.
With the author's permission I am cross posting it here.

I'm interest in reading what others think about this subject.


"Ladies, picture this: You're in a grocery store, or a library, or filling up your car with gas... Suddenly, you are
approached by a stranger asking if you are OK. The look on their face and the direction of their gaze makes it
clear that they are referring to the big ugly (to them) bruise that they see peeking out from under your shorts,
or the ligature marks around your wrists. You may initially demur, and say yes, I'm fine, but they'll usually ask
again, maybe suggesting that you need their help. They may even ask in alarm "where did you get those
bruises?" So, how do you respond?

Do you leap at the delicious opportunity to see the shock on their face when you gleefully blurt out that you love
it when your lover whips you? Do you take delight at their gasp when you wickedly grin and waggle your eyebrows?
They kind of deserve to get embarrassed for poking their noses where it didn't belong, right? Heck, you may even
flaunt your bruises to INVITE opportunities to shock and dismay the muggles; it can be fun to knock people out of
their comfort zones.

Or do you perceive their questions as an intrusion, and get defensive? Do you ignore them? Give them the stinkeye?
Do you tell them to mind their own damned business? Or maybe you even throw in a little shock of your own and
forcefully suggest that they stay out of your sex life? After all, SOMEONE'S got to teach them to mind their own
damned business, right?

Based on innumerable discussions I've seen here on FL, these two responses are apparently very common. Women
brag about having shocked the vanillas, or having taught those self-righteous little busybodies a lesson...

You ladies who think this way, and respond this way? Yes, you.... CUT IT OUT. Seriously, grow up and cut that shit
out right now. In the USA alone, a woman is assaulted or beaten every 9 seconds, most of the time by a loved one
or family member. And we have a culture of SILENCE about it. We have a culture where people don't want to see it,
they don't want to get involved, they just want to mind their own business. And this can be deadly... Every day in
the US, more than three women are killed by their husbands or boyfriends.

That person who just inadvertently poked their nose into your sex life? Don't embarrass them. Don't shame them.
Don't have fun at their expense, or feed them your wrath. Whatever their reasoning is, they just did something that
20 other people who saw your bruises didn't have the courage to do: they broke the silence. THANK them for not
minding their own business. Reassure them that you are ok, and remind them that the next person might not be.
Encourage them to not mind their own business the next time they see someone with a bruise like yours. And then
thank them, again.

Women like us, who get those bruises consensually? Yeah we're in the minority. We're walking around with marks
that look a lot like warning signs... sheep in wolves' clothing, if you will. As such, don't we have a responsibility to
make sure that we don't train people to ignore those warning signs? The next woman that "busybody" sees with
bruises like ours probably DOES need help... Do you really want to be the reason that the silence wins?"





AthenaSurrenders -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 10:45:04 AM)

Nice article. I was worried about the direction it might be going to begin with. I've never had this happen to me and probably won't, but there's no way I'd make someone feel bad for checking that I was ok. No, technically it is none of their business. But on occasion being nosey saves lives.




kalikshama -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 10:52:05 AM)

I had a masseuse express concern and I matter-of-factly explained that the marks were consensual and left it at that. Had I known that the marks were visible in the dim light, I would have warned her ahead of time, like I did before a GYN exam.





kalikshama -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 10:53:42 AM)

MsLadySue - you still have time go back and delete the excess line breaks, which will make your post easier to read.




MariaB -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 11:00:00 AM)

Very good post.

Like Athena, I felt my hackles go up at the first part of the post but very much agree with the second part of the post.

People don't want to get involved, not even with a lost hysterical child. For those that have enough compassion to come forward and inquire about someone's welfare, good on em and shame on the self righteous bitches that use the opportunity to shock and embarrass those people.




Moonhead -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 11:05:03 AM)

I hqve no issue with nosy vanillas (particularly when expressing concern), but I have a real problem with snotty roleplayers who think that they're innately superior to the rest of the human race because they enjoy rough sex.
So it's very nice to see that the article the OP is citing takes the same line to that sort of hilariously condescending twat as I do.
[:D]




MsLadySue -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 11:08:29 AM)

I hope you posted about the line breaks before my 3rd edit as I don't see extra line breaks now.
I did when I first pasted and had to edit 3 times to get them out.




hlen5 -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 11:28:26 AM)

I was worried when I started to read, too, but am glad for the turn the piece took. I have asked women trying to walk away from a verbal argument if they needed help. I've never noticed a guy being followed in the same way. I hope I would do the same for them, too.

I'd rather be made to feel foolish or intrusive, then ignore someone in need of help.

ETA: I usually chuckle at your sig lines, MsLS, but #2 and #4 seem ironic in light of your post.[;)][:)]




kalikshama -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 11:30:46 AM)

If I widen my browser a bit, the extra line breaks go away, but if I reduce it to the size at which I prefer to read, they are still there.




littlewonder -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 11:40:39 AM)

I don't mind others asking me out of concern. It's just that,concern. No I don't think they should butt out of my business and no I don't yell at them or tell them something crude to shock them. I just tell them the truth. Thanks but I'm perfectly fine. My boyfriend and I like rough and kinky sex", give them a smile and go along my merry way or continue a conversation with the person if they seem nice and end up talking about something else (9 times out of 10 this is exactly what happens...talking about the groceries we bought, something that happened wherever we were, our children, work, blah blah blah).

It's not a big deal and not sure why others make a big deal about it. If you don't make a big deal about it, neither will they.




myotherself -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 1:33:00 PM)

I want to start out by saying that I understand the point of the piece, I sympathise with it and I agree with it about 99% of the way.

I can't give it 100% agreement, and I'll give a little info as to why.

As a kid I was clumsy. I could fall over my own feet. I usually fell over when I ran, and was always covered in bruises. Right through my childhood I don't think there was a week went by when I didn't have bruises pretty much everywhere. I got used to being asked in school 'how did you get that bruise?', and as I grew older I realised they thought that my parents had done it.

I love my parents - they were firm, but loving. They would never dream of hitting one of us kids and even the thought that some stranger might think my parents were abusive used to churn me up inside. I became stressed - imagine a 13 year old with nervous indigestion? Yeah, that was me.

As I grew older, I didn't get any less clumsy. If using scissors, odds were that I'd cut myself. Running, I'd often fall over. I've lost count of the number of times I've walked into furniture and gained a bruise on my leg or arm.

I've had so many people say 'oh my god - how DID you get that bruise?!'. After the first couple of hundred times of saying 'I'm just clumsy', I got tired of the look on their faces. Some would believe me. Others would ask for more details. Others would give me a pitying, disbelieving look and move on. And in the end I felt bad about having to describe myself in such a negative manner - being clumsy is never seen as a positive attribute. There are connotations that perhaps if you just tried a little harder, you would be less clumsy...so yeah, it's your fault, klutz.

About 8 years ago I had a student of mine go to an assessment for dyspraxia. I watched the tests with interest, and then talked to the therapist who was doing the assessment. She did a test on me and...yeah, dyspraxia. I have extremely poor coordination between both sides of my body, between my hands and my feet, and between my head and the rest of my body. There are a myriad of other things, like poor spatial awareness, inability to remember long lists of instructions but able to remember things pictorially, finding map reading really difficult, struggling to tell the time on an analogue dial...the list goes on.

Yay - a diagnosis! But it's MY diagnosis. It's something medical about me and...well, I don't wanna share it. So when people ask about my bruises now I'll usually give a patient smile and say 'I'm fine'. If they ask for further details, I'll repeat that. If they give me that pitying look I will resist the urge to tell them to mind their own fucking business, to stop prying in my personal medical affairs, and to stop making me feel bad about the clumsiness I can't help, and for unwittingly pressuring me to reveal something about myself that is just so personal. Something I don't want to have to explain, something I don't really want to discuss for the millionth time.

But that's just me.

For the other 99% of the people I say 'keep asking the question'. But please don't always expect people to give explanations - there may well be things you don't know that really, you don't need to know.




MsLadySue -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 1:49:12 PM)

Your post gave me what I was seeking ... another point of view. It must have been rough for you but thankfully you now have a diagnosis.




myotherself -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 2:02:17 PM)

I do, and it is a relief in some ways, but it does take a bit of getting your head around [:)]





Pyramus -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 3:07:49 PM)

When I was in middle school, a teacher reported me for abuse because I had bruises all over my arm.

Suddenly, a "counselor" called me into her office to ask pointed questions.

Turns out, they never heard of football!

Whew!




pg4g -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 3:31:25 PM)

I have to deal with some pretty difficult questions at work. Military doesn't take kindly to bruises that cannot be explained, because they have to pay for any medical bills. Military police have been called in once or twice.

I just say "rough sex" as generally that's what it is... well... extremely rough. I've had a few people that haven't quite believed me as most of my stuff is bruising from boxing matches. I've had to let a superior or two in on it before I muck around so they can back me up.




MercTech -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 9:43:04 PM)

Now I'm thinking of my dental hygenist.

I wondered why she was wearing a turtleneck when it was still warm outside. The dentist office was kind of cool.. what the hey.

Then she was bending over me and I noticed hand-print shaped bruises on her neck. So, I asked "fight or gasper?"

Heave you ever seen anyone blush from hairline to toenails?




shiftyw -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 9:54:21 PM)

I think its always well intentioned when someone asks, and I'm glad people have the decency to want to help someone if they are in a bad situation.
I usually just say "They were put there with my permission, no worries!" or something along those lines. I wouldn't want to make them feel bad for being concerned.




sexyred1 -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 10:00:31 PM)

I try not to involve anyone in my sex life, so made sure bruises were in places no one would see.

If someone asked, I would not tell them what it was from, I would just smile and say I was fine.




orgasmdenial12 -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 10:53:38 PM)

I personally would never go out in public with bruises or marks showing - I think it's crass, offensive and ugly. My main issue with this post is that it doesn't preach responsibility by kinksters. Don't want people asking about your marks? Don't show them! Simple.




MsLadySue -> RE: I love nosy Vanillas... (2/9/2014 11:45:20 PM)

What some seem to have missed is the point of this post. It's that we don't want to discourage those that do ask, should they suspect abuse, if a person is okay. In some instances the question might be the concern an abused person needed to aid them in getting out of their bad situation.

I suspect most with consensual bruises don't wear clothing that purposely shows them.




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