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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/6/2006 8:57:06 PM

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Masters,
Can You describe Your perfect slave? What does she like? How does she behave? What is her past like?

Any kind of answer would help me along my quest to better myself.
Thank You.

A perfect slave is:

Loving
Obedient
Selfless
Humble
True

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/6/2006 9:05:12 PM

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I agree with Ariel... my perfect pet would be someone who could learn to anticipate what I want without being so overeager as to screw it up. There isnt a specific ting I can call perfection, ebcasue what I enjoy or get into varies with my boy... but the ability to know what I want more often than not is as close to perfection as they can get.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/6/2006 9:14:58 PM

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"Perfection" is the willingness to try your best...

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 8:45:57 AM

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I don't think a perfect slave exists for me, not because I am perfect or my standards are high or anything of the sort. I am flawed, people are flawed, combine two people and the create brand new flaws.

I think what makes things "perfect" is having the skills to work things out, the patience to do so, and the realization that even pretty good is vastly better than what most actually have. I am not saying settle for less but that knowing things are not going to be perfect and that is your starting point and you build "perfect" together one day at a time.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 9:07:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: alovingslavegirl
Any kind of answer would help me along my quest to better myself.

Those questions won't help YOU to become a better slave... they may halp you 'play' at being something you are not. The only two places you will find the information you are looking for is deep in your own heart and in the heart of the one who sees you for who you are and wants you for his own.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 9:49:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: alovingslavegirl

Masters,
Can You describe Your perfect slave? What does she like? How does she behave? What is her past like?

Any kind of answer would help me along my quest to better myself.
Thank You.

Oh, your taking orders? Great!! Mine will be 5'4" or shorter but I wouldn't mind one thats 6', hieght/wieght proportionate or close to, red head (but I'll work with that), submissive to the core (to me that means no sass), loves face slapping and hair pulling, of child bearing age, loves music, not jealous in any way, and has a Saints disposition (cause god knows I'm hell on earth to be with).

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 10:54:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: alovingslavegirl

Masters,
Can You describe Your perfect slave? What does she like? How does she behave? What is her past like?

Any kind of answer would help me along my quest to better myself.
Thank You.

Wonders why some people seem to have a difficult time visualizing thier basic comfort zones-and have to issue disclaimers, instead of facing thier needs honestly.........

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 11:20:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Padriag
What I came up with is this.

She is obedient, she wants to be pleasing and useful.

I think given just those qualities, any owner could then train such a slave to be what they want, whatever that may be. But I do not think that any slave would do very well without those qualities.

Yummmmmmmm... He has done it again; answered the OP in a warm yet succinct response that seems to me to hit the nail squarely on the head! Thank you, Padriag.

By my way of thinking obedience and the desire to please would be just about impossible to miss in a ‘perfect’ slave. Past that…the ‘training’ done by her Master polishes her to his specific desires in that perfection. In that there are as many different ‘perfect slaves’ as there are different Dominants… I believe it is only by spending time with the one you submit to that guides an earnest submissive/slave to that perfection. That would, of course, also make her useful…and hence, a happy slave, too!

I know I keep mentioning this book…but it really helped me. The author, a slave, suggests so many different ways to guide someone on the submissive journey…from little ‘mantras’ to suggestions of making yourself even more useful by taking classes in bookkeeping, cooking, leather cleaning/conditioning…and a plethora of other ideas. You can find this book (SlaveCraft) for under $10 here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1881943143/qid=1152296167/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-3342856-2335033?v=glance&s=books

I do hope this helps…
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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 11:48:41 AM

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I gotta disagree here. A slave, be it historical or erotic fiction, has never been selfless. The slave may not have a say in what goes on but their mind set is self preservation, and situation allowing, pleasure.

Some posts hit it on the nose~ its the match which is "perfect," not the slave or the Master.

Here is an example: slave owns house but Master destroys it (without asking of course. Happened to me, so...) How would the "perfect" slave respond?
a) Gee that's okay because Master wants it that way.
b) Get mad at Master and make him fix it (lol)
c) Get rid of Master and find better one
d) help me out here....

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 11:51:27 AM

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Thank you Bearlee. And yes, I agree that Slavecraft is a good read. I found it to offer some useful perspectives on slavery and on slaves. In particular I thought essays 4 through 7 were very good, as well as essay 9 on dealing with fear which was particularly interesting to me. I sometimes have a hard time really understanding the fears that slave's experience.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 12:07:21 PM

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Two points Doe. First, we aren't dealing with historical slaves, we're dealing with consensual slavery as either a style of relationship or a style of life (the later including the former as a component). And while those historical slaves may not have been selfless (actually there are some examples that were, but most are exceptions), they also generally didn't have the option of looking to their own welfare, self preseravation, love, etc. A consensual slave does have those options and that's what were dealing with here. Which brings me to my second point.

To answer your question, the answer would be A... and possibly C. That is, let's assume the house belonged to "master", its his property and if he wants to destroy it that's his perogative. But now comes the next question, what about his responsibility to take care of you both? That does, after all, include putting a roof over your head since a place to live is a fundamental need of human existence. Well, if he's got an answer for that and can take care of that responsibility despite destroying the house, then guess what, he's living up to his responsibilities. I don't know how an individual might go about that, maybe they have another house, maybe they'll just go buy a new one, maybe they'll have a new one built... but the point here is that so long as they can provide a new place to live, that's the condition. As long as they are fulfilling that responsibility then the answer is A, master gets to do what master wants and the slave has an obligation to accept that reality. On the other hand, suppose after wrecking the house this "master" has no alternative housing lined up and no options for that? They have no means of meeting that responsibility of providing someplace to live. Well, now that's a problem isn't it. And as I've said elsewhere and will repeat here... a dominant (master) who can't handle their responsibilities isn't much of a dominant. So as you might have guessed at this point, the answer would become C. As a slave you need to know you are safe, that you have a basic level of security. A dominant or master who cannot deal with their responsibilities is not providing you with either of those things and at that point, yes indeed, you need to consider finding a new master.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 12:17:16 PM

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Padriag,
the question is not so much in the details, but in the problem solving a sub/slave goes through in dealing with potential conflict. At what point does a slave say Master is not adequately maintaining their responsibilities and as such, releases them from the contractual slavery.

It pertains to "the perfect slave" in what can we realistically expect. What is healthy versus hocus pocus (mind reading).

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 1:05:59 PM

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Then the answer lies in the terms of that contractual slavery. If for example, there were basic responsibilities of providing a reasonably safe and secure environment, a place to live, food to eat, clothing (when allowed or necessary), etc... then you have your criteria. Its pretty much that simple. What isn't so simple is for a slave to find the courage to say what she knows in her heart, to look at her master and say "Sir, respectfully, you're fucking up big time and you're about to lose me because of it." That's the part I find most submissives have a tough time with. They know when its time to leave, its the leaving that they have a hard time actually doing.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/7/2006 2:47:30 PM

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My perfect slave is one that fits well into DSF and is happy she does. Her past isn't important unless it affects her present or future.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/8/2006 5:32:24 AM

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Perfect = Happy in her soul, her awareness and in her submission.

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/8/2006 8:11:51 AM

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The Perfect slave doesn't exist. even n excelent slave has improvements to make and goals to achieve. The perfect slave is an ideal which will differ from Dominant to Dominant and even slave to slave.. The day you think your slave is perfect or the slave thinks he or she are perfect is the day thatperson should quit because they have set the bowl too low. Keep the ideal and for ever strive to attain that goal.....

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/8/2006 9:35:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: alovingslavegirl

Masters,
Can You describe Your perfect slave? What does she like? How does she behave? What is her past like?

Any kind of answer would help me along my quest to better myself.
Thank You.

Hello alovingslavegirl,

Being perfect is a simple as *having the all the right elements or qualities*.

In terms of another human being finding YOU perfect ....it gets reduced to what they are happy with, or whether THEY find in YOU, those *elements and qualities* and vice-versa.

I can understand wishing to *better yourself*......but wouldn't it be better to think of that in terms of being a whole person , not in terms of what *doms* may or may not seek/sought or found desirable?

You can only be the best person that YOU can be....being a *good slave* will be intrisic to that.

You will be *perfect* for one man and less than perfect to another no MATTER how much you do to be a *good slave*.

Regards, agirl

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/9/2006 4:43:46 AM

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awwwwwwww....sounds like you've found your perfect slave and she her perfect dom.

I've never thought it was necessary to find a perfect anything, but that which is perfect FOR us.

Congrats and smiles

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RE: The Perfect Slave - 7/9/2006 7:37:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: WetHotGoddess

There is no such thing as perfection.

Perfection depends upon what I need at any given time. To find the submissive who knows instinctively what my mood is, who can "feel" me, and knows my desires at any given time, I think would be perfection.

Now, crawl to your Master, worm!

*winking*

Ariel

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Dear Sir, good point Perfect for Me...As a slave when you are looking for Master keep that in mind. Look for a Master or if a Master look for a slave to complete you. Yes i believe i have the perfect Master for me, for we both have the same ideals on how we practice the lifestyle, O/our kink, and O/our vanilla interests.

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