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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 5:50:12 PM   
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Is ther something wrong with your comprehension?

Your comments about diabetes are so misinformed they ake no sense. A diabetic doesn't have high insuilin levels.

The drug you are talking about to thryoid replacement hormone. Not something someone with an OVER active thyroid would be prescribed.

You are the last person who should be telling anyone about surgery; pre or post op. Your own issues caused you to have surgery by someone who isn't even a surgeon and you didn't have the sense to get a second opinion.

I can see why your doctor advised you not to research on the internet since you don't know the difference between a credible medical website and someone who isn't evenn a doctor.

Perhaps you should try OA and readjustt this "strict" diet you claim to be on. I'm sure your doctors have suggested that losing weight would alleviate many of your pain issue since it would lessen the bulk you are stressing your joints with.

In the meantime, my doctors are specialists in the field for which I see them and board certified. I'm not stupid enogh to let someone who isn't a surgeon cut me open, and frankly my insurance company pays a little more attention to that as well.

So while you, like anyone else are free to post on any thread, I can say with completion confidence that for me, who is the OP of this thread, you have contributed nothing of value other than entertainment.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 6:25:47 PM   
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If they remove your thyroid, you won't be treated for overactive thyroid anymore...you'd have to replace the thyroid hormone instead.

Insulin resistance causes high insulin levels and that leads to diabetes. Even though I have had insulin resistance for many years, I don't have diabetes or even high cholesterol b/c I control it with my diet.

I can't lose weight b/c I have hypothyroidism and my metabolic rate runs around 500 calories a day so I can't lose weight despite a strict diet.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 6:28:41 PM   
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But you are welcome to not listen to me and take levothyroxine post op and feel like shit for the rest of your life and get fatter and fatter and lose large amounts of hair. I really don't care. Or you can continue to refuse treatment for your hyperthyroidism and let it kill you.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 6:54:46 PM   
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There is a saying: YMMV (your milage might vary).
What is true for you may not be true for someone else.

Some people do just fine on levothyroxine.
Some people don't.

It is obvious that you fall into the latter category.
However, insisting that what is best for you is what is best for everyone is very ignorant.

LL has medical providers that she perceives as being competent.
Perhaps you should be focused on your own wellbeing and unresolved endocrine issues instead of trying to practice [bad] medicine without a license.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 6:58:49 PM   
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There is a saying: YMMV (your milage might vary).

Some people do just fine on levothyroxine.
Some people don't.

It is obvious that you fall into the latter category.
However, insisting that what is best for you is what is best for everyone is very ignorant.

LL has medical providers that she perceives as being competent.
Perhaps you should be focused on your own wellbeing and unresolved endocrine issues instead of trying to practice [bad] medicine without a license.

I have not met one person that feels okay on levothyroxine. It's a T4 only medication.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 7:07:31 PM   
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quote:

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There is a saying: YMMV (your milage might vary).

Some people do just fine on levothyroxine.
Some people don't.

It is obvious that you fall into the latter category.
However, insisting that what is best for you is what is best for everyone is very ignorant.

LL has medical providers that she perceives as being competent.
Perhaps you should be focused on your own wellbeing and unresolved endocrine issues instead of trying to practice [bad] medicine without a license.

I have not met one person that feels okay on levothyroxine. It's a T4 only medication.


The human body converts T4 into T3.


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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 7:13:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: dollparts85


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

There is a saying: YMMV (your milage might vary).

Some people do just fine on levothyroxine.
Some people don't.

It is obvious that you fall into the latter category.
However, insisting that what is best for you is what is best for everyone is very ignorant.

LL has medical providers that she perceives as being competent.
Perhaps you should be focused on your own wellbeing and unresolved endocrine issues instead of trying to practice [bad] medicine without a license.

I have not met one person that feels okay on levothyroxine. It's a T4 only medication.


The human body converts T4 into T3.


It's supposed to. But most people with hypothyroidism don't properly. I don't.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 8:09:24 PM   
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So reading comprehnsion is a problem as well I see. I'm not having my thryoid removed, so I don't need to worry about it.

On the other hand, your underactive thyroid is so obviously being under treated, and of course that is your excuse for not losing weight.

Unlike you, I have doctors who are qualified to treat my health issues and my endo knows better than to give me thyroid replacement therapy.

Nothing you have said on this thread has any factual basis other than in your mind. Regarding my throid, I've made my decision and shared it here. Its sad that you aren't able to comprehend what I said.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 8:20:57 PM   
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Anjelicka,

Thanks for your posts. I originally posted about my thyroid just because I was emphasizing my frustration at having so many things going on at once. The others were to give LC the additional info since it appears she has some very helpful information.

Freedomdwarf basically gave me the info I was primarily looking for regarding the arthritis is my neck. I found it odd that I kept reading it wouldn't worsen when the very term "degenerative" means exactly that it will continue to get worse.

On the other hand, I'm glad to have an offical diagnosis and treatment plan ofr at least one of the things that have been causing me so much pain. My diabetes is really not even on the list of problems. Its there, I deal with it, but it doesn't cause me pain. Whereas, I have limited range of motion in my neck and it has been causing migraines more frequently than I care to have to deal with (like nearly every day). I'm cautiously optimistic about the PT. Just have to wait and see. And of course, it needs to stop snowing long enough for me to be able to go, lol.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 8:47:08 PM   
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Since when does levoxyl cause hair loss? Because I've been on it for 18 years and still have all my hair.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/13/2014 9:03:42 PM   
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Since when does levoxyl cause hair loss? Because I've been on it for 18 years and still have all my hair.


Well, quite obviously you must be both bald and delusional... or a marvel of medical science.




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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/14/2014 2:28:53 AM   
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I did discuss partial versus total removal with endo. He indicated that would be something the surgeon decides when he had me on the table. Variables mostly regarding the nodule and how the biopsy turned out. However, it seems here, total removal is more likely. Probably because of the erracticness (is that even a word?).

.........

My biggest concern with the thyroid removal is the time it takes to find the right medication dosage. My understanding is that it takes around a year, and as you know, wonky thyroid levels make you miserable. That's why I've decided not to remove at this time. I'm sure the endo won't like my decision much, but its my throat that would be sliced, so tough cookies on him. Of course, this is all contingent on the biopsy being beninign. I let you know next. Week. I respect your opinion in general, and since you've gone through this, even more so. Ill be quite grateful to have you as a sound board.


To be honest, I'm in 2 minds regarding the partial removal, natural thyroid is of course better than artificial, but the thing is if you have a partial removal, the nodules can grow back if the medication isn't adjusted the right way and they really don't want to do surgery a 2nd time (having that issue).

Essentially it is your body, but it might consider a complete removal, because it seems to be a lot easier to adjust the medication if you're going from zero. A friend of mine had the complete removal, they tried all sorts of stuff before, it contributed to his congestive heart failure and subsequent heart transplant (mind you there were issues before, it just contributed to them), they have him now just on a form of synthyroid and he's doing super well. Also there are different types of synthyroid around, I can't tolerate some brands because something in the fillers also blocks the reception, it's quite important to get the right brand with the right fillers if that affects you, and then stick with the brand you're used to, because even switching between brands (despite them all having the same active ingredient but different fillers) can cause some problems with the absorption and how your body converts T4 into T3.
Honestly, I wouldn't rule out the total thyrectomy, there is a good chance that it might make things easier for you. I'm not bitching that they only did a partial on me, there was a good chance that it might have worked and I was in my late teens when it happened, at that point in time that was the latest in medical studies, but modern medicine has a way of moving forward pretty fast. If they could remove mine completely, I think I'd go for that, but again, they really really don't like opening up again due to the scar tissue and the location, the 1st surgery is fairly uncomplicated and straight forward, but the 2nd time round, not so much. I was told there's a fair chance that some of my vocal chords would be damaged, so that option is out.

Since the thyroid is pretty essential for metabolism, it might actually also have something to do with you being diabetic, or influence that condition, it might also aggravate the pain you are having from the arthritis in your neck and possibly cause some allergies. If you can, could you try to see somebody who specializes in thyroid, not just an endo but an endo who only zooms in on thyroid conditions, they're pretty rare (I found one at Cedars Sinai in LA) but they really are switched on and know most of the symptoms where another doctor might treat them as unrelated.

The really odd thing is, my partial thyroid picks up in warm climates, dark and wet it tends to go on strike and causes a lot of other problems, whenever I'm in LA for a few weeks, I'm so much more active, have to reduce the medication gradually, I eat a lot more than I do usually but oddly enough always lose 10 to 15 lbs.

Somebody mentioned hair loss on thyroid meds, can happen, though it's usually a sign of the particular medication not being compatible with the body, my mom had it and they switched her to another brand, where she simply metabolized it better and they could even reduce the dosage. Same with weight, depending on the person, some people who have thyroid problems will just put on massive amounts of weight. I remember arguing with one GP in the UK who told me flat out that he doesn't think I need to have my thyroid checked as I'm not overweight, however even if I am falling within their skinny parameters, I know my body and if despite monitoring my intake and how much I burn with workouts and dog walks, I start to gain 10 lbs and can't shift them, I just know something isn't quite right.

There is a site called the Vitamin D Council or something like that, I found some pretty good info there regarding vit D and thyroid and printed it out and brought it to my endo (helps that the founder of the site is a pretty highly respected MD), who then actually looked into the issues. I first found it quite annoying that I have to bring him stuff, but essentially it's my health, so it makes sense that I take an active part in it, especially since it influences my life a lot. If my meds are well adjusted, I'm feeling much better, more energetic and I'm not phazed by much, if they're not, my allergies tend to break out, I feel down and everything seems to be much more difficult.

Oh an interesting fact, don't know if anybody who's having thyroid issues is also on anti-depressants, a lot of depression is caused by a malfunctioning thyroid and most anti-depressants also block the thyroid. I'm not telling anybody to stop using anti-depressants, but I think it's prudent that they ask their doctors to do an extensive thyroid test before they put somebody on them.

dollparts mentioned that they don't give her the higher dose of vit D, well, again, I would rely on blood tests, but they initially put me on a loading regime where I got shots and then very high doses, the MD told me that the prescription vit D is just a higher dose of the over the counter vit D but much more expensive (due to being a prescription drug - can't quite make out the sense of that) and that in the later stages of the loading system, it's cheaper to take 2 of the 5000 unit pills than buy the 10000 prescription ones. The gel capsules are fairly small, so I had no issue with that at all. But again, I wouldn't want to mess around with dosage if the MD has seen my blood tests and go against medical advise.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions, getting 2nd and 3rd opinions, it's your health you got to take an active part in it, but self-medication when MDs tell you not to, seems a bit irresponsible to me.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/14/2014 5:44:22 AM   
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I can't lose weight b/c I have hypothyroidism and my metabolic rate runs around 500 calories a day so I can't lose weight despite a strict diet.


How many calories do you consume per day?

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/14/2014 7:21:17 AM   
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I can't lose weight b/c I have hypothyroidism and my metabolic rate runs around 500 calories a day so I can't lose weight despite a strict diet.


How many calories do you consume per day?


A great site to use to monitor how much you consume and what you burn is http://www.livestrong.com/ they have an ap you can download on the iPhone, you basically log what you eat, what you do, you can put in your weight and goal weight and it will give you exactly how many calories you can consume every day, one of the problems is that a lot of people eat far too less and slow down their metabolism (the fantastic yoyo effect), you can avoid it with that program. However, I found that when my thyroid is on strike, I might even gain a few lbs, despite religiously keeping to the program. A friend of mine has a thyroid condition and had a hysterectomy, then received steroid treatment for another problem, she always used to be normal, medium build, not overly skinny, not chubby, she's now plus sized and can't shift the weight.

Though most people who are a lot larger than they should be, it's a reflection of their life-style and eating habits, however occasionally you get people where it's hormonal/medical. The funny thing is, the ones who have medical reasons aren't the loud ones who bitch about skinny people (comments like "Why don't you go and eat a sandwich!" or going on about wanting extra large seats in planes without paying more, preferably sitting next to me and floating over to my seat), the ones who think they can block their seat and 3/4 of mine, and it's bad luck that I'm uncomfy, are always the ones who enter the plane with a bucket of fried food and a bag of calorific snacks. If you go "Excuse me?" because they've taken most of your seat, they usually will make some comment about how it's not their fault that the seats are so small. I always have to bite my tongue to not say "It's not my fault that you're oversized and I'm suffering from it!"

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/14/2014 8:24:38 AM   
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If they remove your thyroid, you won't be treated for overactive thyroid anymore...you'd have to replace the thyroid hormone instead.

Insulin resistance causes high insulin levels and that leads to diabetes. Even though I have had insulin resistance for many years, I don't have diabetes or even high cholesterol b/c I control it with my diet.

I can't lose weight b/c I have hypothyroidism and my metabolic rate runs around 500 calories a day so I can't lose weight despite a strict diet.


You.... I.... What.

If you think you are only consuming 500kCal a day, you are delusional. I don't care how many diagnoses you've cherry picked off of webMD, they laws of physics still apply to you.

You need to start aggressively, honestly tracking what, and how much you eat. All of these degenerative bone issues you're having? Yeah, your body isn't made to handle that much weight. It's not your surgeons fault.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/14/2014 8:41:51 PM   
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If they remove your thyroid, you won't be treated for overactive thyroid anymore...you'd have to replace the thyroid hormone instead.

Insulin resistance causes high insulin levels and that leads to diabetes. Even though I have had insulin resistance for many years, I don't have diabetes or even high cholesterol b/c I control it with my diet.

I can't lose weight b/c I have hypothyroidism and my metabolic rate runs around 500 calories a day so I can't lose weight despite a strict diet.


You.... I.... What.

If you think you are only consuming 500kCal a day, you are delusional. I don't care how many diagnoses you've cherry picked off of webMD, they laws of physics still apply to you.

You need to start aggressively, honestly tracking what, and how much you eat. All of these degenerative bone issues you're having? Yeah, your body isn't made to handle that much weight. It's not your surgeons fault.

I had my metabolic rate tested by a doctor. I had to breathe into a mask for like 20 minutes or something around there. And it tells them how many calories you burn a day...I was only burning 500. They told me it's not uncommon to see people burning as little as 100 calories a day.

I actually haven't been keeping much of anything in lately...I usually eat once a day and throw that up. But if I do keep something in it's usually a yogurt or cottage cheese. Or a protein shake.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/14/2014 8:43:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I can't lose weight b/c I have hypothyroidism and my metabolic rate runs around 500 calories a day so I can't lose weight despite a strict diet.


How many calories do you consume per day?


A great site to use to monitor how much you consume and what you burn is http://www.livestrong.com/ they have an ap you can download on the iPhone, you basically log what you eat, what you do, you can put in your weight and goal weight and it will give you exactly how many calories you can consume every day, one of the problems is that a lot of people eat far too less and slow down their metabolism (the fantastic yoyo effect), you can avoid it with that program. However, I found that when my thyroid is on strike, I might even gain a few lbs, despite religiously keeping to the program. A friend of mine has a thyroid condition and had a hysterectomy, then received steroid treatment for another problem, she always used to be normal, medium build, not overly skinny, not chubby, she's now plus sized and can't shift the weight.

Though most people who are a lot larger than they should be, it's a reflection of their life-style and eating habits, however occasionally you get people where it's hormonal/medical. The funny thing is, the ones who have medical reasons aren't the loud ones who bitch about skinny people (comments like "Why don't you go and eat a sandwich!" or going on about wanting extra large seats in planes without paying more, preferably sitting next to me and floating over to my seat), the ones who think they can block their seat and 3/4 of mine, and it's bad luck that I'm uncomfy, are always the ones who enter the plane with a bucket of fried food and a bag of calorific snacks. If you go "Excuse me?" because they've taken most of your seat, they usually will make some comment about how it's not their fault that the seats are so small. I always have to bite my tongue to not say "It's not my fault that you're oversized and I'm suffering from it!"

I really like myfitnesspal.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/15/2014 2:45:40 AM   
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You do realize that eating only once a day is unhealthy, right? And just because you vomit doesn't mean whatever calories were in what you ate weren't absorbed by your body.

Regardless of what you allege is your metabolic rate, if all you are eating is ONE servind of yogurt or cottage chees or protein shake A DAY, you would be suffering from malnourishment and be quite ill since the first two have less than 300 calories per serving.

It doesn't matter what your metabolic rate is, the human body requires more than 300 calories a day. Of course, since you claim to burn only 500 a day and also claim that you are consuming less than 300 a day, you would be burning 200 just sitting stil. With exercise, even a slow metabolism is going to burn calories.

Nice try though.

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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/15/2014 2:51:22 AM   
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Ask about Synthroid, Levothyroxine..med's like that..They'll get your thyroid back into normal. But hey, don't take MY word for it. That's what endocrinologists are for. Get to one.


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RE: dengenerative arthritis - 2/15/2014 4:34:03 AM   
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You do realize that eating only once a day is unhealthy, right? And just because you vomit doesn't mean whatever calories were in what you ate weren't absorbed by your body.

Regardless of what you allege is your metabolic rate, if all you are eating is ONE servind of yogurt or cottage chees or protein shake A DAY, you would be suffering from malnourishment and be quite ill since the first two have less than 300 calories per serving.

It doesn't matter what your metabolic rate is, the human body requires more than 300 calories a day. Of course, since you claim to burn only 500 a day and also claim that you are consuming less than 300 a day, you would be burning 200 just sitting stil. With exercise, even a slow metabolism is going to burn calories.

Nice try though.


Not to mention that one doesn't get any of the recommended anything eating so little.
Sure, you could take vitamins and mineral suplements, but how about getting enough protein?
You don't get enough protein and your body takes it from your muscle mass... which drops your metabolism.
That should be what your PCP it trying to fix dollparts85.

Why are you vomiting after eating?
That is not normal or healthy.





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