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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/26/2014 7:15:13 PM

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I actually know the answer! The yogurt has 30g of carbs. But BS has jumped all over today, and I'm sure the migraine upped it a bit as well. If my only choice were greek yogurt, I would skip yogurt all together. Greek yogurt is too expensive and I don't like it anyway. I've been trying to eat one or two yogurts a day because along with everything else, I developed the yeast infection from hell. So yogurt and accidophilus (sp?) Have become daily. I buy the yogurt that's on sale, typically La Yogurt and I buy both light and full fat. But I only like blueberry, blood orange, lemon meranggue, key lime and banana.

I go to the regional diabetes center next wednesday. There I speak to the nutrionist. I had a question earlie I ken I wanted ask them but damned if I remember it now, lol. It was a long ass day making transportation arrangement for like 15 different appointments (PT) and finding a neurologist all with a raging migraine, but I needed to get it all done today.

Right now I feel like a freaking pin cushion. Doctor didn't tell me to do the 2 hour after eating test, but I have a lot of extra stripps and I know that when we meet again the way I'm processing the insulin and meals will help point us in the right direction. But that's four insulin shots a day and 7 blood sticks, so I know that's not going to last much longer. A couple more days and then when I start getting some better results ill do it again for a couple of days.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/27/2014 9:25:27 AM

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You may not like the greek yogurt, but it has much less sugar and more protein.
Chobani makes a 100 cal blueberry yogurt that has just 14 grams of carbs.

I sometimes buy Chobani when it is on sale for $1.00.

I usually buy whichever one is on sale in quarts in plain and add my own fruit.
I buy the frozen fruit when it is on sale.

30 grams of carbs may not seem like all that much but when you see that a 12 oz can of Coke has 39, it seems like a lot to me.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/27/2014 5:27:50 PM

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I'm basing the carb issue on what my endo told me. I was concerned because I'm not a breakfast eater but when I have a day where I am out of the house in the morning for several hours, I want to be able to get that first insulin shot in. When I'm not going anywhwer, I have time so it doesn't matter. Anyway, my main concern with the insuling was that ther be a sufficient quantity of food because frankly, yogurt really does nothing if I'm hungry, and the containers are quite small. He knows its not greek yogurt because we discussed it. He wasn't concerned about it, so I'm not going to be concerned either. I've never considered or cared how many carbs are in any regular soda because I haven't drank regular soda in more than 20 years except on rare occasions when nothing else was available.

Like I said, if the carbs in yogurt become an issue, I will give up the yogurt before I will buy or eat greek yogurt which is regularly on sale for 10 for $10. Not worth the price for me.

Besides that one slice of bread has 45g. Carbs are everywhere in nearly everything. They can't be completely avoided unless you do Atkins which would be good for me either.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/28/2014 7:12:16 AM

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I get that you hate greek yogurt and I was not trying to convert you.

But if I had something that was mostly carbs with very little protein, it wouldn't fill me up either and would tend to make my blood sugar less stable.

I think we probably shop very differently.
I won't buy bread that has 45 g of carbs a slice unless it is a splurge - a specialty bread for a special occassion: Challah for french toast when I have guests for breakfast, french baguettes for a dinner gathering.

Instead I buy things like lowered carb english muffins (16 grams of carbs for one) or a high fiber pita bread that only has 4 grams of carbs/serving.
(Which I buy when they are on sale.)

This is not because I am especially careful or vituous.
It is so I can add a little hot cocoa mix to my morning coffee.

I am sure you will find what works best for you.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/28/2014 7:39:57 AM

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I know there are plenty of other large mushrooms that can stuffedd. Since I developed a taste for mushrooms I've wanted to try portobella, which is why I also asked if baby bellas were little portobellas, or even had a similar tast.

Ah my bad. I had to look it up because we don't have them called that here. If they're brown mushrooms, then yes they are the same variety as portobellos just harvested smaller. We call them chestnut mushrooms here and they are delicious. I might just be uncultured but to be honest portobellos don't taste that different to me, they're just bigger. I've never taste tested them one beside the other so perhaps there is some difference I've just never noticed.

Portobella and Chestnut mushrooms are different and not just by size.
They are a different shape and taste quite individually different to each other and to standard brown or white cupped mushrooms.
They are indeed taxonomically identical (Agaricus bisporus) but the various growth stages make for completely different flavours.

Brown mushrooms have a nuttier flavour than ordinary white cupped mushrooms.
Chestnut mushrooms have an even nuttier and more intense type of flavour.
When more mature and in a flattened state of growth, the strong nutty flavour subdues slightly and takes on a different, more 'eathy' type of flavour (well, to me anyways, and I can tell the difference).

Today's commercial variety of the common mushroom was originally a light brown color.
In 1926, a Pennsylvania mushroom farmer found a clump of common mushrooms with white caps in his mushroom bed. Like white bread it was seen as a more attractive food item and was very popular.
So the 'white' variety is just a colour mutation from the original wild 'brown' variety.

Mushroom facts
Agaricus bisporus also contains sodium, potassium, and phosphorus, conjugated linoleic acid and antioxidants. Protocatechuic acid and pyrocatechol are found in A. bisporus.
A 2009 case control study of 2,018 women correlated a large decrease of breast cancer incidence in women who consumed mushrooms. Women in the study who consumed fresh mushrooms daily were 64% less likely to develop breast cancer, while those that combined a mushroom diet with regular green tea consumption reduced their risk of breast cancer by nearly 90%.

A phytochemical (2-aminophenoxazine-3-one) in white button mushrooms was shown to have aromatase inhibitor properties in vitro.

The table mushroom has also been shown to possess possible immune system enhancing properties. An in vitro study demonstrated the mushroom enhanced dendritic cell function

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/28/2014 11:52:16 AM

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Anjelika,
If I came across that way, it wasn't inentional. That was just the plain white bread I had in the house.

My biggest issue with the low carb foods is the expense. I simply can't afford to buy much of that stuff.

Wow freedomdwarf! You know a lot about mushrooms. Very helpful, thanks.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/28/2014 12:02:49 PM

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LL, I had a ton of blood drawn today and spent quite a while waiting (funny how the 30 minutes they tell you always turn into 2 hours and they're only doing T4 and TSH and not T3 - they might as well piss into the wind as my body has a problem changing T4 to T3) but there was a leaflet around about GI and diabetes, thought I scan it in and send it to you, but then figured I might just look up the webpage - webpage is even more extensive.

Maybe you find some stuff there?

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Managing-your-diabetes/Glycaemic-Index-GI/

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 2/28/2014 5:56:57 PM

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Thanks a bunch LC! I just looked around the site. Tried to download the app they had available, but my POS phone won't do it. I so wish I could download an app for my phone.

But I did bookmark the site so I can go back to it.

Its kind of easy and amusing to note the differences because it is a UK site. So much talk about cream, lol. Not nearly as popular here. Although it mentioned some thing Chatte has already generously provided recipes for.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/1/2014 5:50:14 AM

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Anjelika,
If I came across that way, it wasn't inentional. That was just the plain white bread I had in the house.

My biggest issue with the low carb foods is the expense. I simply can't afford to buy much of that stuff.

Wow freedomdwarf! You know a lot about mushrooms. Very helpful, thanks.

Not at all, I just seem to recall a post somewhere that you like bread?
Even regular slices of whole grain breads are pretty high in carbs.

My point was that I choose to eat lower carb breads so I can have a small splurge in other places.
I, too am on a limited budget, which is why I buy things when they are buy one get one or 2 for $4.00.
I buy almost all of my meats from the quicksale section.

I just didn't want you to think that I was viewing your choices as bad or inferior in some way.

Btw: most of the people I know don't like greek yogurt either.
In the begining I mixed it half and half with regular yogurt.
I would take a big container and put a quart of plain and a quart of greek and combine them, and add fruit.
It lasted quite awhile and was reasonable in cost if I bought the fruit on sale.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/1/2014 1:15:12 PM

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You remember correctly, I love good bread. But good bread is just as expensive as stuff advertissed as low carb so I don't buy that either, lol. On the other hand the first time I went through diabetes ed, the nutrionist said that rye and pumpernickel we're decent choices (since no bread is ever a "great" choice), and I do love both of those. I wish you could get them in a "full" sized loaf like you can white or wheat.

I know what you mean about cutting in one area for something you want more in another area. I'm lucky in that I really only drink water and when I do drink coffe or tea, I don't use sugar or cream so I can drink all I want of those things without concern and use those carbs from the sugar and cream somewhere else.

Right now, my cholesterol is a bigger issue for me, so I'm working on that as well. Hopefully the nutritionist can give me some lists of good bad, etc. I think I will do better with lists, lol

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/2/2014 8:45:07 PM

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So since Wednesday, I have been waking up with a migraine and shaling. Also rreally out of it, like my equilibrium is off. I thought it might be one of the cholesterol meds which can cause dizzinesm.

So yesterday I asked my pharmacist about it. My pharmacy knows me almost as well as my doctor and in some cases beter..anyway, he explained the the cholesterol med rarely causes dizziness and I was most likely dealing with low blood sugar! Of course if I had gone to the Er, they would tell me that's not possible because the numbers arnt below"average and they are to ignorant to realize that when someone has been running high for quite a while, those "average, or even high (like 169) can be a dramtic enough change to cause low blood sugar event for some inthat position, namely me.

I remember this from first time at diabetes ed, but still never experience the sensation of low BS before. Interesting.

And all day today, my BS never went over 180! Progress at last or quirky fluke? I don't know for sure, but I'm going with progress.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/3/2014 10:43:40 PM

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Ok, I'm pretty sure I can't trust my glucometer. Its giving weird readings. First it gave me a high reading of 235 and then an hour later 131, no insulin involved there.

Then later before dinner I checked and got 305. Did an immediate re-check and got 283. I have about 200 extra strips, so I'm not worried about checking to much. Have been adding the 2 hour after meals so when I go back nect months, I have a better picture for the doctor.

So those two concerned me, but I just went to do my before bed and things got really odd. First I got 282, then277 and last 314! This was not just one stick after another, but all from the same stick.

Those numbers tell me how much insulin to take and if they are inaccurate I can be taking too much or too little insulin.

I checked again and used two different glucometers, again two different numbers.

Guess ill be call the doctor again tomorrow. Oh and yes, I know those number are high, that's why we are working on this. Yesterday, I didn't eat much different than tody and my numbers were much better. The day before they were all over the place.

Ugh! I need to be able to trust these readings.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/4/2014 4:58:46 AM

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Does your meter come with control solution?

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/4/2014 6:20:49 AM

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I don't know what reader you have, but the friend who had the transplant also had to take the readings, in case it smears or so, you tend to get odd readings, it was a bit difficult to get a nice clear bubble, so what we did was to warm up the fingers before, if you have a microwave, put a damp cloth (only a bit damp as you don't want moisture on your fingers that messes up the blood) in it for a few seconds and then hold it, you will have an easier time with the pricking and if the reader is the same, the results should be more stable and consistent... However, they aren't infallible and one had to be replaced as the readings were consistently weird.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/4/2014 2:28:19 PM

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It could just be a godawful blood sugar monitor: I've used some pretty crap ones in my time. The smearing thing could cause a problem with some test strips, but with others it shouldn't be a problem.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/4/2014 4:05:36 PM

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Ok, I'm pretty sure I can't trust my glucometer. Its giving weird readings. First it gave me a high reading of 235 and then an hour later 131, no insulin involved there.

Then later before dinner I checked and got 305. Did an immediate re-check and got 283. I have about 200 extra strips, so I'm not worried about checking to much. Have been adding the 2 hour after meals so when I go back nect months, I have a better picture for the doctor.

So those two concerned me, but I just went to do my before bed and things got really odd. First I got 282, then277 and last 314! This was not just one stick after another, but all from the same stick.

Those numbers tell me how much insulin to take and if they are inaccurate I can be taking too much or too little insulin.

I checked again and used two different glucometers, again two different numbers.

Guess ill be call the doctor again tomorrow. Oh and yes, I know those number are high, that's why we are working on this. Yesterday, I didn't eat much different than tody and my numbers were much better. The day before they were all over the place.

Ugh! I need to be able to trust these readings.

Are you using an alcohol wipe on your finger first? If you don't let it dry completely, it can screw with your readings. Also, it's best practice to wipe away the first drop of blood with a bit of gauze, then test the second drop.

There was a rational behind it, but I forget.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/4/2014 8:52:41 PM

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The rationale is irrelevant. I did some research today and the FDA allow for a margin of error of 15%!! That's right fiftenn percent. So if you get a high reading of say 200, your BS could be 230 or 170. Think you are good with a 1pp 4eading? You might be and it would still be good at 115, but it might also be 85 which is heading for a crash. So basically, I might as well simply guess what I think my blood sugar is and calculate the insulin off my guess. I'm sure I can be withing 15% in one direction or the other.

And yes lynn, I know the proper way to take my blood sugar, been doing it for quite some time. What I didn't know was that the FDA was foolish enough to allow for such a huge margin of error when it came to the accuracy of the glucometers.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/5/2014 7:12:41 PM

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The rationale is irrelevant. I did some research today and the FDA allow for a margin of error of 15%!! That's right fiftenn percent. So if you get a high reading of say 200, your BS could be 230 or 170. Think you are good with a 1pp 4eading? You might be and it would still be good at 115, but it might also be 85 which is heading for a crash. So basically, I might as well simply guess what I think my blood sugar is and calculate the insulin off my guess. I'm sure I can be withing 15% in one direction or the other.

And yes lynn, I know the proper way to take my blood sugar, been doing it for quite some time. What I didn't know was that the FDA was foolish enough to allow for such a huge margin of error when it came to the accuracy of the glucometers.

Jeeze, is it low now?

Glucometers are for the most part, cheap little machines so that everyone can afford them. It's more important to know the difference between 150, and 500, than 115-85.

Here's a study done, which details the accuracy of different machines. If you are very worried about accuracy, you may want to splurge for one of the machines with excellent results.

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/6/2014 10:11:29 PM

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I would love to do that, but then insurance won't cover the strips.

Before dinner, first test was 98, great! Wow! Insulin doing its job! Fifteen percent error margin.. so I take again. 148.Wtf?! Test again on a couple different meters and accept the averag of around a hundred. Two hours after dinner, I test and it says 301. Wow! Higher than I expect so I test again; 198! That's the difference between 10 units of insulin or 25. Granted, this was not a before meal test but if I trusted the first reading I could be taking 15 units too many. If I go with second, 15 less than I need.

I'm so very frustrated right now. I've tested after hand washing, alchol swab, doing nothing, two different meters, both have checked out with control solution.

I spoke with a doctor in the ER about how I need to be able to trust the first reading and not confident I can is causing me stress. Which of course affects my BS along with my thyroid.

I'm really trying to do what I'm supposed to. I'm taking my insulin, shopping today was a nightmare comparing carbs and I want this under some kind of control. I have lots of extra strips because when I was on the oral meds, I stayed within a 50ish range that never change, so I am testing more than prescribed.

I'm more worried about an erroneous high reading that causes me to take too much. I live alone, so if a problem occured, no one would be here to help. Oh and of course this is the only monitor insurance covers. While monitors are cheap, strips as we all know are not.

The ER doctor was very nice especially when I broke down in tears, lol. Offfer that I come in and let them do some blood work, but my anxiety was already becoming unmanageable at home, ER it would sprial out completely and my thyroid screws up the antianxiety they give me making it as ueful as a tic tac. I explained this to him and he told me that my stress and thyoid is making this worse, to try to relax and take it again later and that if I was still that worried to come in.

But I would feel like an idiot if I went to be honest. Still that meter is the only method of figuring out how much insulin to take. My blood sugar has been as high as 517 and I felt fine.

Uuuuggggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! Just so frustrating!

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RE: for insulin dependent diabetics - 3/7/2014 2:43:26 AM

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It sounds like your reader isn't working right, it shouldn't be so way out and the readings shouldn't change that much.

Now I never had to deal with having diabetes, but needed to check the blood sugar of a friend after his organ transplant, it varied but unless the reader was faulty (which happened once) not by such an error margin as you described here. I can imagine the frustration, now this is not a long term solution but maybe it would help you to keep a bit more calm until they figured out the problem, if you make sure you don't take too much but rather err on the side of caution? Also you know your body and you know how it feels, since you can't trust the reader, maybe you trust your own body more?

I have to ask somebody who deals with diabetes, it recently came up in a discussion, and his doctor actually advised him to take very small amounts of vodka (not as in a big drink, it was very minimal) with the meals, as it seems to help to increase the insulin production, I have to check with them before I give you the wrong information, because I was quite surprised, I was under the impression that alcohol breaks down as sugar.

As a side note, it might be a good idea to buy cheap thermometer and start doing contrast baths for your feet, with diabetes the nerve receptors in your toes tend to switch off, by alternating warm and cold baths, you actually stimulate the receptors and keep a good circulation going, the thermometer because if your nerves are a bit damaged, you might not feel how hot the water really is and cause burns, which then could cause infections as you'd heal slower. I'd get some shallow plastic basins where your feet fit in comfortably, if you actually want to save time, have one warm and the other cold and just walk at the same spot for about 3 to 5 minutes, then switch feet (as in the one who was in the cold water will go in the warm and the other way round) and repeat that at least 3 times, then towel dry the feet very thoroughly, put lotion on and warm socks.
It sounds stupid, but you can't be careful enough with your toes and feet when you're dealing with diabetes, it's something that's often overlooked.

I assume that your diabetes is monitored by your health care team as well, maybe it's time to bring up a few questions during the next appointment, you should make notes (usually the strips come with a book where you write down the readings with date and time), and since they're all over the place, discuss your concerns, if you walk in with a list and "Look, way way more than the error margin allows, check this out" it forces them to take it more seriously and not brush it aside as the panic of somebody who's new to it all.

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