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DesFIP -> RE: Degradation and names (3/5/2014 6:15:05 PM)
Little boy, women aren't going to pay you for this. Gay males will pay for pro doms, but that's in real life, not online. You have to be muscled enough to overpower the other guy, and you're expected to have sex with them. Bareback is frequently preferred. I suggest that instead you go to college and then find a real job as this isn't going to work as a viable career choice.

quickiemy -> RE: Degradation and names (3/5/2014 7:37:58 PM)
I think a sub should not deserve even a name. I always loved to be called as "Mine".

BiMistressMia -> RE: Degradation and names (3/5/2014 7:49:31 PM)
Personally, I've called my subs, slaves, and cuckold anything from cum dumpster, slut, whore, bitch, pet, pig, cum whore, worthless piece of shit, and etc...

littlewonder -> RE: Degradation and names (3/5/2014 9:37:02 PM)
whatever he wants to call me. But we've also been together for 8 years now so our dynamic is much different. I would say don't call her anything at all until you two have been together in real life for awhile and gotten to know each other well enough to know the hot buttons to stay away from. If this is all cyber shit then hey, do whatever you want. I don't put much stock in cyber.

YoungDom55 -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 3:34:45 AM)
You people have serious issues, if many of you can answer a simple question in a mature manner, instead resulting to insults and immature side talk, something is very wrong with you, especially if you're feeling intimidated by an 18 year old. It's not like I'm going round making fun of everyone into water sports or scat, grow up. But thank you to everyone else who knows how to form an intelligent reply to my question.

Blonderfluff -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 3:54:40 AM)
Boy We are not "intimidated " by you. You amuse us with your silliness. You DO know that men outnumber women on here by something ridiculous like 5 to 1, right? And you ALSO know that femsubs on here receive roughly 100 messages per day with vulgar, insulting messages, right? So. Do you now see why your profile and this thread was not taken seriously? there is NO way on Gods Green Earth that any female submissive is going to pay you to do what annoys us for free. Now, you may attract some male subs. You are young, and 88 lbs. so. Maybe you should change your target audience.

angelikaJ -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 4:28:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungDom55 You people have serious issues, if many of you can answer a simple question in a mature manner, instead resulting to insults and immature side talk, something is very wrong with you, especially if you're feeling intimidated by an 18 year old. It's not like I'm going round making fun of everyone into water sports or scat, grow up. But thank you to everyone else who knows how to form an intelligent reply to my question. The serious answer is that many people (women especially) do not like degradation. Since you are offering your services to men as well, from the forum postings it seems as though a greater number of submissive men do. You may think that some people were making fun of you. If you could go back over what people wrote you will see that there is a common theme: being a fin-dom simply is not going to work in terms of having submissive women as clients. There are male Pro Doms, not many but some. However, they are usually highly skilled in things such as impact play and bondage; their clients go to them because they are looking for a specific experience (such as subspace), when they aren't in a relationship. And such technical experience is not something one can learn online. I hope you have a plan B. Otherwise, unless you can build a good male client base, you will likely starve.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 4:35:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungDom55 You people have serious issues, if many of you can answer a simple question in a mature manner, instead resulting to insults and immature side talk, something is very wrong with you, especially if you're feeling intimidated by an 18 year old. It's not like I'm going round making fun of everyone into water sports or scat, grow up. But thank you to everyone else who knows how to form an intelligent reply to my question. Hold on just a minute... We have issues because we are amused by you being a comedian (involuntary admittedly)? You don't think something is very wrong with you declaring yourself a dominant and wanting to charge for the service of dominating people (they are paying you for a service, keep that in mind, just like the they are paying the plumber to fix the pipes), but you have no idea how to do it? Would you pay a plumber or an electrician who has to ask how to do things? The Brat-Princess thing might appeal to some guys, though not a lot, but the Brat-Prince act is a very small niche market. As for us being intimidated by you, I think you do not only need an ego check, I would also recommend a reading comprehension class. For the record, nobody made fun out of phone domination, but we all thought it hilarious (and thanks for the laugh, you should try stand up comedy) that you want to do it but really have not the slightest idea how to do it. That's the equivalent of somebody who wants to market his or her services as an expert in corporal and then would come on here and ask in all seriousness which end of the whip he or she is supposed to hold and which one is the one to hit with. You are offering a service, you should be the expert in that and not rely on random people from the internet to do the work for you. Not only your skills in "phone domination" need work, maybe also your idea about what is mature behaviour, but personally I found your little foot stomping fit quite amusing, again, teenage temper tantrums might not be a got marketing plot for phone domination, but maybe you could do a stand up routine about phone dummynation...

subbibear -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 4:55:27 AM)
I can't speak for anyone else who has replied to this thread but I will speak for myself. You are right, I do have issues, but they were not and are not really in play with regard to my comments in this thread. As for how I responded to your question, yeah well the thing is, you get to ask the question and I get to respond in the manner I choose. I chose a humorous frame of reference for my response, I am sorry if that was something you could not appreciate. My response was most definitely not made because I felt intimidated by you. I may be a submissive, but that does not mean that I am intimidated by anyone who slaps on the label dominant. No, you are not making fun of other people's fetishes, and that is good. And if being an online dominant is your fetish then I am sorry that I made fun of yours. So here is the thing. If being an online dominant for money a 'findom' is your fetish, then I suggest you take a few steps to present yourself in a serious light. On your profile you should probably not refer to yourself as a 'dominate' the word is 'dominant'. And the first words on your profile are 'Helloif' you need a space between those words. I know this seems minor, but you need to keep in mind that from the outside perspective, what you have on your profile is all that anyone knows about you. How you present yourself is very important and spelling, grammar, word choice, spacing and punctuation matter. Further, if being a findom is a fetish for you, make that clear, otherwise you just come off as another guy who wants people to send him money to abuse them. Now, once you get all that stuff in the text of your profile cleaned up, you need to go back and adjust the interests section. All that you have selected are vanilla interests. If I am interested in paying you to be a dominant, then I couldn't care less that you like fine dining and flea markets, I want to know want kind of kinks you are into, and I am gonna be looking for expertise in those kinks. So, you are gonna need to do some homework on various kinks, yeah that's right homework. To be a findom, or any kind of dom, you need to become an expert in the kinks you are offering up to me as a submissive. So as a submissive I want to know that you have been reading, and that you know what you are doing. Posting questions in the ask a submissive forum, well that just isn't homework, and frankly, if you aren't aware of it, everyone who looks at your profile can see that you posted this question and will be left in some doubt about your expertise regarding humiliation. On to the next topic, pictures. If I as a submissive am going to pay an online dominant, then I am going to want to see what I am paying for up front. I would want to see your face as well as your body. And I would expect more than just selfies in the mirror, I would expect a findom to have some pictures taken by a professional, or at least by another person. I'd want pictures that portray the findom in a kinky light, with good backgrounds, and some sexy poses. Definitely not just a single selfie, that just isn't going make me crack open the wallet. Finally, to answer your original question regarding degradation and names, being a male submissive I am into a different set of names than you would be using on female submissives. So cock sucking faggot, pig boy, cum dumpster, worthless shit, piece of shit, fuck hole, fag boy, worthless faggot, whore, cum slut- all of these and more. I also get off on being told that I was 'put on this earth for the use of real men/real women' or 'I am only good for .....' things like that. But really, it just depends on the dominant I am with, humiliation is only one element of a scene and it is something that we work out together in negotiation. So my advice to you is the same as it is to anyone, talk with the person you are going to scene with and get clear direction from them about what they want to be called or not called. Some people have specific triggers that are bad for them and it is important to respect those needs. I hope this meets your standards for an intelligent reply.

pg4g -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 5:06:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Oh I spent 2 years in Oz as a student, I still think they have fantastic insults, like go and shovel your head up a dead bears bum, that was always my favourite, though I don't think it translates well into degradation games. But I have NEVER EVER met an Aussie who had problems with finding names to call people, somebody should check this guy's passport! Believe me, we have NO end to insults. Not to mention all the women who have used the "c" word to me today.

WorldsWorstMan -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 5:17:52 AM)
I like the term "Brat-Prince". I did not know it had a name when I was young, but I was one myself, more or less. It can be a pretty sweet life, but its important to not reach too far and think the whole world is there to please you. It would much rather see you fail in some way (as the young man does here, with his sorry effort at tapping the market), and make fun of it. In the 80s our kind was often cast as villains in movies about youth.. Often brought to life by James Spader.

pg4g -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 5:19:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungDom55 You people have serious issues, if many of you can answer a simple question in a mature manner, instead resulting to insults and immature side talk, something is very wrong with you, especially if you're feeling intimidated by an 18 year old. It's not like I'm going round making fun of everyone into water sports or scat, grow up. But thank you to everyone else who knows how to form an intelligent reply to my question. You're targeting the female market here, and the Dommes here will come out and play. They're quite active. Take it as water off a duck's back, or you're just going to end up with a complex. Many of the rest of them recommended that there may not be much market for this. And while I don't know about women, I think its probable they're right. Perhaps you should focus on things that will actually make you money. I can tell you that there are an abundance of jobs in Sydney. I recommend you get one, and get your rocks off in a dominant way either in person, or just do online without the cash. quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Little boy, women aren't going to pay you for this. Gay males will pay for pro doms, but that's in real life, not online. You have to be muscled enough to overpower the other guy, and you're expected to have sex with them. Bareback is frequently preferred. I suggest that instead you go to college and then find a real job as this isn't going to work as a viable career choice. I can't even imagine a gay man paying for a pro-Dom in person. Why would they? They can get one just going out to a club! And bareback? Almost everyone I know would consider this a [sm=hardlimit.gif], let alone from a professional. But yes, gay men would expect you to have sex with them. I'm not meaning to offend YoungDom55, but your market of available dominatable people just wittled its way down to some backstreets off Oxford Street and the remnants of Mardi Gras last weekend, having homosexual sex. Not your thing? I didn't think so.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 5:29:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WorldsWorstMan I like the term "Brat-Prince". I did not know it had a name when I was young, but I was one myself, more or less. It can be a pretty sweet life, but its important to not reach too far and think the whole world is there to please you. It would much rather see you fail in some way (as the young man does here, with his sorry effort at tapping the market), and make fun of it. In the 80s our kind was often cast as villains in movies about youth.. Often brought to life by James Spader. I made the name up because it seemed appropriate, I mean there are girls who get off on the bad boy thing, but those guys are out there and the girls don't have to go online and search for phone domination. There also might be some guys who are into it (never come across them personally) of a young boy humiliating them on the phone, but again, they wouldn't be interested in somebody awkwardly fumbling for words. You're calling a rather expensive line to get your kinks on and the person (who you're paying a lot for) is a bit "Uhhhh errr, ehhh, is it OK if I call you slut? Ehhh, what should I call you?" That's so not going to work. I think if we'd be a bunch of cruel people, we'd encourage him to do this and watch him crash and burn. If you want to sell something, you better make sure that there's a real market for it and you can meet the demands of that market. In his case, it just doesn't seem to be the case.

Toysinbabeland -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 6:23:46 AM)
Regardless of who will pay for your banter, each person you deal with is unique. Calling each one of them the same pet names cheapens your skill. Let them earn their own. Good luck with that. At least you are not assuming that you always have the right ideas, because you looked for answers.

YoungDom55 -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 6:34:29 AM)
It's cute how hard your trying on a forum to hurt someones feelings, but the truth is I came here for advise and what I got from you is a 12 year old girl on a temper tantrum, did one of my words trigger you or something? To everyone else, I know I'm not going to make a bloody business of this very small market, it's just a fetish, I'm not forcing you to listen to me, I'm not forcing you to do anything, I didn't even come here with the intention of talking to any sub girls, my idea was a few guys who are into younger straight guys and that's exactly what I got, all I wanted was some info on how to improve but instead I get some people on power trips. Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to which you can clearly see on my first post, although I have learned a lot, I'll update my profile and all that.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 7:28:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Blonderfluff Subbibear. I think I love you.... That was awesome. We are keeping you!!!!!!!!!!! Agreed.

Toysinbabeland -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 7:31:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungDom55 It's cute how hard your trying on a forum to hurt someones feelings, but the truth is I came here for advise and what I got from you is a 12 year old girl on a temper tantrum, did one of my words trigger you or something? To everyone else, I know I'm not going to make a bloody business of this very small market, it's just a fetish, I'm not forcing you to listen to me, I'm not forcing you to do anything, I didn't even come here with the intention of talking to any sub girls, my idea was a few guys who are into younger straight guys and that's exactly what I got, all I wanted was some info on how to improve but instead I get some people on power trips. Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to which you can clearly see on my first post, although I have learned a lot, I'll update my profile and all that. Classic and childish manipulation techniques are seen through quite easily. You have honestly been answered by each one of us. If you are not willing to take advice without having a temper tantrum yourself, you need to assess yourself before you can start leading others in any capacity. I advise you to read the threads based on age and experience. I liken it to this analogy: when you are five years old it might be cool to get a barney tattoo. Not so much advice taken from the parents generation, hey, what do they know, barney is cool! Later, that tends to fuck you in the ass, and not in the good way. Sit back and please take everyone's advice with a grain of salt. There really are some great people here, among them there are people who told you things that you did not like to hear. This IS an open community, and just like dealing with the fact that everyone here has a strong personality because of our preferences, they are strong and how they represent themselves. You asked a question if you don't like the answer, at least realize that some effort was put into a response whether it was something you were willing to hear. Again, most of the people on here will have different opinions. Some of them actually like the things that you said you didn't. Some of them may be offended by your practices. Go back and read my original answer. I took no offense to your post and gave you an honest answer. I realize that you were not offended by my answer, but you should not be offended by anyone else's answer on this posting either. We're all individuals, regardless of your preference. It's what you do with your advice that makes the difference. Again, good luck, I hope you can sit back and learn something. ~toys

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 7:48:05 AM)
I consider humiliation and degradation on the more extreme end of emotional sadism b/c you can so easily hurt someone with words. Physical blows do heal over time, emotional ones? Not so much. Even if you know the person extremely well you are taking the chance of hitting a nasty emotional trigger every time you engage in this type of play. As has been pointed out, males and females tend to be quite different in terms of what types of humiliation or degradation they enjoy. Many females don't enjoy any at all. In order to really understand what I'm talking about, you need years of personal relationship experience as well as a solid BDSM background, which at your age you can't possibly have. This is why people have made fun of you. It's like a fresh medical student asking the surgeon questions. The surgeon may well answer, but the response will be far over his or her head. If you want to know what gets people off, I suggest you ask them. Then listen very carefully.

Toysinbabeland -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 8:09:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt I consider humiliation and degradation on the more extreme end of emotional sadism b/c you can so easily hurt someone with words. Physical blows do heal over time, emotional ones? Not so much. Even if you know the person extremely well you are taking the chance of hitting a nasty emotional trigger every time you engage in this type of play. As has been pointed out, males and females tend to be quite different in terms of what types of humiliation or degradation they enjoy. Many females don't enjoy any at all. In order to really understand what I'm talking about, you need years of personal relationship experience as well as a solid BDSM background, which at your age you can't possibly have. This is why people have made fun of you. It's like a fresh medical student asking the surgeon questions. The surgeon may well answer, but the response will be far over his or her head. If you want to know what gets people off, I suggest you ask them. Then listen very carefully. Chatte sums it nicely, again.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Degradation and names (3/6/2014 8:10:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YoungDom55 It's cute how hard your trying on a forum to hurt someones feelings, but the truth is I came here for advise and what I got from you is a 12 year old girl on a temper tantrum, did one of my words trigger you or something? To everyone else, I know I'm not going to make a bloody business of this very small market, it's just a fetish, I'm not forcing you to listen to me, I'm not forcing you to do anything, I didn't even come here with the intention of talking to any sub girls, my idea was a few guys who are into younger straight guys and that's exactly what I got, all I wanted was some info on how to improve but instead I get some people on power trips. Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to which you can clearly see on my first post, although I have learned a lot, I'll update my profile and all that. Oh try and force me, you mighty YoungDom. Does it work with the domly voice or would you need to type more domly? I wasn't trying to hurt you, trust me you would have noticed that. As for people on power trips, seems you want the power trip and humiliate and degrade others on the phone (while being paid for it, I believe your introduction about that was janked by the mods), yet you are playing with something that can really have consequences, but the only thing that concerns you is if they will be repeat customers. That basically is not a very responsible or mature way to play. We honestly don't give a damn if you make some money with your little phone sex thing, but if you need to ask how to do it, are you really ready for it? Now since you put so much effort into trying to put us into our place (not too successfully), why not use the same effort to satisfy the desires of your customers? I can guarantee you that it will be much more successful. Unless of course you are doing your phone domination and humiliation for free and out of the goodness of your heart, but surely then they would be far happier to give you pointers than if you charge them.

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