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a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference?

There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid.

Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid.

Another dead kid.

Another dead kid shot.

Another dead kid who did not need to die

I have a dumb question for you, have you ever, in any way shape or form, ended a human life?

If not, how the fuck do you have any fucking idea what burden that places on a person?

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a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference?

There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid.

Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid.

Another dead kid.

Another dead kid shot.

Another dead kid who did not need to die

I have a dumb question for you, have you ever, in any way shape or form, ended a human life?

If not, how the fuck do you have any fucking idea what burden that places on a person?

no and no

it's a question you should be asking of all the people with guns who are apparently willing to kill.

and I repeat the real victim here is the dead kid

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference?

There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid.

Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid.

Another dead kid.

Another dead kid shot.

Another dead kid who did not need to die

I have a dumb question for you, have you ever, in any way shape or form, ended a human life?

If not, how the fuck do you have any fucking idea what burden that places on a person?

no and no

it's a question you should be asking of all the people with guns who are apparently willing to kill.

and I repeat the real victim here is the dead kid

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Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead.

Professor Emeritus James Q. Wilson, the UCLA public policy expert, says: "We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as 2 1/2 or 3 million. We don't know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it's not a trivial number."

Former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney David P. Koppel studied gun control for the Cato Institute. Citing a 1979-1985 study by the National Crime Victimization Survey, Koppel found: "When a robbery victim does not defend himself, the robber succeeds 88 percent of the time, and the victim is injured 25 percent of the time. When a victim resists with a gun, the robbery success rate falls to 30 percent, and the victim injury rate falls to 17 percent. No other response to a robbery -- from drawing a knife to shouting for help to fleeing -- produces such low rates of victim injury and robbery success."
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a few quotes up from here I said who is the biggest victim, not who was the only victim. Can you see the difference?

There is only one loser in this case, the dead kid.

Others will clearly suffer but there is only one person who is dead, so forgive me for so being unfeeling and horrible to everyone one else involved but the fact remains that the real, true victim is the dead kid.

Another dead kid.

Another dead kid shot.

Another dead kid who did not need to die

I have a dumb question for you, have you ever, in any way shape or form, ended a human life?

If not, how the fuck do you have any fucking idea what burden that places on a person?

no and no

it's a question you should be asking of all the people with guns who are apparently willing to kill.

and I repeat the real victim here is the dead kid

Nice choice of words, "willing to kill."

It might surprise you and every other person condemning guns that:

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Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead.

Professor Emeritus James Q. Wilson, the UCLA public policy expert, says: "We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as 2 1/2 or 3 million. We don't know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it's not a trivial number."

Former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney David P. Koppel studied gun control for the Cato Institute. Citing a 1979-1985 study by the National Crime Victimization Survey, Koppel found: "When a robbery victim does not defend himself, the robber succeeds 88 percent of the time, and the victim is injured 25 percent of the time. When a victim resists with a gun, the robbery success rate falls to 30 percent, and the victim injury rate falls to 17 percent. No other response to a robbery -- from drawing a knife to shouting for help to fleeing -- produces such low rates of victim injury and robbery success."
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Now here is a really funny statistic to go with how many times a gun is used in self defense.

The average number of all gun deaths in the US is 32,163, as of 2011.

Clearly the number of times that guns were used in self defense meant that a hell of a lot of people were not killed.

Now there is a very old saying that goes back who knows how long, "Don't pull a gun unless you are willing to use it, don't use it unless you are willing to kill."

Hollywood would have us believe that just wounding someone eliminates the threat. You might check out how many medal of honor winner were so severely wounded that the should have been incapacitated and continued to fire on and kill the enemy.

So yeah, willing to kill is probably a very important point to make when it comes to self defense.

You forgot the even more pertinent question, how many want to kill?

Are you really so misguided that you think that sane human gun owners want to kill?

There is a big fucking difference between willing and want to kill.

No sane human gun owner or not wants to kill someone.

I did not join the army because I wanted to kill, nor did I become a sniper because I wanted to kill. I knew there was the possibility that I might actually have to, but that is different.

Nor did I really want to kill the men that I did, it was my duty.

And I sure as hell dont like the nightmares, or any of the other wonderful gifts that killing another human being brings you.

Did you know that the suicide rates are higher among ground pounders (infantry) than say bomber crews? Care to guess why?

No, it is true that if you buy a gun for self defense, you better be willing to kill.

And I would be the first person to say that selling a gun to someone who wants to kill is a fucking mistake.

But hey, if you cant see the difference, I cant make you, and you probably never will.

I asked my shrink when the nightmares will stop, his answer wasnt comforting, "when you go senile and cant remember who you are, or when you die, or end up in a coma, although some research indicates that you dream in a coma."

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~ FR ~

Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.

Ah, no. He was invited and not against her will.

The 16 year old wasn't the homeowner, it was her parents house.

I know. He was holding a gun, so he's automatically right.

Get help.

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The U.S. homicide rate declined by nearly half (49%), from 9.3 homicides per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1992 to 4.7 in 2011, falling to the lowest level since 1963. From 2002 to 2011, the average homicide rate for males was 3.6 times higher than the rate for females. The average homicide rate for blacks was 6.3 times higher than the rate for whites.
From 2002 to 2011, young adults ages 18 to 24 had the highest homicide rate of any age group and experienced the greatest rate decline (down 22%) over the 10-year period, from 15.2 per 100,000 in 2002 to 11.9 in 2011.
The rate of homicides involving a firearm decreased by 49% from 1992 to 2011, while the percentage of homicide victims killed by a firearm (67%) remained stable.
Large cities of 100,000 or more residents experienced the largest decline (23%) in homicide rates from 2002 to 2011, compared to communities with less than 100,000 residents.
From 2002 to 2011, the majority (95%) of homicide incidents involved a single victim. In 2011, 66% of homicides with a single victim involved a firearm, compared to 79% of homicide incidents with multiple victims.

Part of the Homicide Trends in the United States Series

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Link to the police reports please

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Link to the police reports please

What? The statements from the authorities to the media not good enough?

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someone claimed you had police reports
Im wondering where they are

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Link to the police reports please

What? The statements from the authorities to the media not good enough?

Not if they don't say he is a mad dog killer

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FR
People are willing to do things they don't want to do if they have to.

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I never claimed that victim wise anyone was better off.

Let me help you out, victim wise the people who are alive are better off, the dead kid is worse off, it's not too complicated.

Who is the biggest victim?

Please answer without trying to deflect attention from what happened

And once again I never claimed one was better off. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM

Now if you want to nitpick the shit out of that then yes the dead kid definitely got the worst of the deal. I never claimed he didn't. That came out of your head. I said HE WAS NOT THE ONLY VICTIM


Is that clear enough for you or are you going to play dumb and ask the same question again?

No "nitpicking" has finally got someone to admit that the dead kid got the worse of the deal but I will stick to my guns, so to speak, about there being a pretty fucking big difference between being alive and dead. The gunners can twist and argue and deflect as much as they like but there was only 1 real victim, guess who that was?

The dead kid

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the real victim here is the dead kid

But the living are always the ones who suffer.

K.