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Lucylastic -> "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:07:52 AM)

Curtis Reeves Jr., accused of fatally shooting a man in a movie theater during an argument over texting, himself sent a text message from his seat in the Wesley Chapel Cobb 16 Theatres.

The revelation comes from court documents released Wednesday in the case that has drawn national attention. Matthew Reeves, the defendant's son, said in an interview with deputies after the Jan. 13 shooting that he was running late to meet his parents for a 1:20 p.m. show of Lone Survivor. He texted his father that he was on the way.

His father wrote back that he and his wife, Vivian, were in their seats.

About 15 minutes later, Matthew Reeves walked into the theater as a single shot rang out. Matthew Reeves, a Tampa police officer, told investigators he caught Chad Oulson, who was struck in the chest, as he collapsed in the aisle.

Authorities say Curtis Reeves, 71, who also made his career as a Tampa officer, shot Oulson, 43, during a confrontation over Oulson texting his daughter's babysitter during the previews.

Matthew Reeves told Pasco sheriff's deputies that he didn't see the argument or the shot but that "noise and light" was coming from the top row as he walked into the darkness of auditorium 10.

According to court documents, Matthew Reeves told investigators he immediately went upstairs toward the commotion. He didn't know where his parents were sitting. He could see one person stand, then take a few steps back and then a few steps forward to the end of the row. As the stranger collapsed, Matthew Reeves caught him and helped him to the ground.

He noticed the man was bleeding from what appeared to be a gunshot wound to the chest. Someone handed Matthew Reeves a T-shirt, and he pressed it against the wound to stanch the blood.

It was then, as he treated Chad Oulson on the floor of the theater, that Matthew Reeves looked toward the back row and saw his parents.

"He said his father appeared to have a shocked look on his face," according to the court records.

As stunned moviegoers fled, and Chad Oulson's wife, Nicole, screamed to witnesses that Reeves shot her in the finger, Matthew Reeves then got another bystander to take over tending to Oulson. He said he went to the lobby and told staff what happened and asked someone to call 911, then went to the kitchen and washed his hands. A theater employee said he gave Matthew Reeves some bleach to clean the blood.

Another sheriff's deputy said as she wrapped the seats with crime scene tape, Matthew Reeves re-entered the theater and told her he was a Tampa police officer and the suspect's son. He asked if his father had been arrested.

"He was obviously upset, so I sent him out into the hallway and advised detectives about him," wrote Deputy Christina Demas.

One witness reported hearing one of the men — the witness didn't know which — say "Touch me again and I'll kill you," before the shot was fired. Others heard one say something that sounded like "get out of my face."

Some left the theater immediately. One man said he crawled up the steps. A few others, including two nurses, stayed and aided Chad and Nicole Oulson. Off-duty Sumter sheriff's Deputy Alan Hamilton took Curtis Reeves' gun and made him stay seated until deputies arrived.

Pasco investigator Steven Greiner wrote in a statement that Curtis Reeves was seated and appeared calm when he came to arrest him inside the theater.

"I told the suspect to get up and put his hands behind his back," Greiner wrote. "He did not comply. I slung my AR-15 and grabbed his right arm. He got up from his seat but he still did not comply. . . . I moved him forward and bent his upper body over the chair in front of him. I then held his wrists behind him while (another deputy) applied handcuffs to his wrists."

Reeves, who is charged with second-degree murder and aggravated battery with a firearm, is being held without bail at the Pasco County jail until his trial, which is tentatively set for this fall. If convicted, he could face life in prison. At a pretrial hearing on Wednesday, his attorneys waived his right to speedy trial, saying they want to hire experts and do their own investigation.

The next pretrial hearing is set for July 9.

In an interview with a Pasco sheriff's detective after the shooting, Reeves said he was scared for his life after Oulson came over the seat and punched him in the face, setting up a possible self-defense claim.

Reeves' attorney Dino Michaels told reporters after the hearing that Reeves is holding up "the best he can" in jail.

"For a 71-year-old guy who's never been in trouble before, (and has) always been a pillar of his community, he's not in the best of health," Michaels said. "He has strong faith."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/pretial-set-for-this-morning-in-movie-theater-shooting-case/2169793





Moonhead -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:23:40 AM)

Hmmm. Does this mean the posters who've been insisting that the aging bully was right to shoot somebody for txting in a cinema as that should carry the death penalty will now repudiate him?




Lucylastic -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:26:11 AM)

I have more chance of becoming president of the USA




Musicmystery -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:28:09 AM)

The shooter is always right; he might have "felt threatened," which makes it all OK.




Moonhead -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:31:50 AM)

There is that.
I wonder if all of these tooled up pussies would feel less threatened if they grew a pair, rather than buying a gun?
[:D]




thishereboi -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:32:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Hmmm. Does this mean the posters who've been insisting that the aging bully was right to shoot somebody for txting in a cinema as that should carry the death penalty will now repudiate him?



Well I never claimed he was right to shoot the guy for texting but I am not sure what that has to do with the shooter texting someone 15 minutes before the show started. His complaint was that the guy was using the phone DURING the show, not that he was using it.





Lucylastic -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:37:50 AM)

it was during the preview, just as it was when he killed someone.
The movie hadnt started




thishereboi -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 8:50:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

it was during the preview, just as it was when he killed someone.
The movie hadnt started




According to the article you posted the couple was in their seats and it was over 15 minutes before the incident. No where does it say the previews had already started. So did you read this someplace else or are you just assuming they had.




Lucylastic -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 9:02:25 AM)

oh FFS why not look up the previous thread and information instead of making freaking stupid assumptions about me assuming




Musicmystery -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 9:03:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Hmmm. Does this mean the posters who've been insisting that the aging bully was right to shoot somebody for txting in a cinema as that should carry the death penalty will now repudiate him?



Well I never claimed he was right to shoot the guy for texting but I am not sure what that has to do with the shooter texting someone 15 minutes before the show started. His complaint was that the guy was using the phone DURING the show, not that he was using it.



He couldn't have called the manager?




cloudboy -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 9:10:04 AM)


You should have been around here for the "superpowers" challenge....




fucktoyprincess -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 9:45:35 AM)

When I read the facts of this case I feel both men involved behaved badly. Some plain decency on either side of this equation would have prevented this. And then, of course, there is the issue of the gun where its use leads inevitably to death (unlike a fist fight, or other altercation). [sm=2cents.gif]




kdsub -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 10:52:24 AM)

Lucy you have it all WRONG again!!!! Reeves was plainly heard yelling" GET BACK" three times before in self defense shooting Oulson at point blank range through the heart. Another excellent example of why guns are needed in America for self defense.

ps... the lighting was low so the cell phone in Oulson's hand i am SURE was mistaken for a weapon... and of course before any shots were fired Reeves made sure he had a clear field of fire... Mrs Oulson was clearly at fault when she was wounded for interfering with a citizens killing... I mean arrest and charges may be filed at a later time.

Butch




BamaD -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 10:59:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Hmmm. Does this mean the posters who've been insisting that the aging bully was right to shoot somebody for txting in a cinema as that should carry the death penalty will now repudiate him?



Well I never claimed he was right to shoot the guy for texting but I am not sure what that has to do with the shooter texting someone 15 minutes before the show started. His complaint was that the guy was using the phone DURING the show, not that he was using it.



He couldn't have called the manager?

He did, the manager was "to busy"




BamaD -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 11:01:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

it was during the preview, just as it was when he killed someone.
The movie hadnt started




According to the article you posted the couple was in their seats and it was over 15 minutes before the incident. No where does it say the previews had already started. So did you read this someplace else or are you just assuming they had.

Since that was before the lights went down it is a mote point.




Lucylastic -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 11:07:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Lucy you have it all WRONG again!!!! Reeves was plainly heard yelling" GET BACK" three times before in self defense shooting Oulson at point blank range through the heart. Another excellent example of why guns are needed in America for self defense.

ps... the lighting was low so the cell phone in Oulson's hand i am SURE was mistaken for a weapon... and of course before any shots were fired Reeves made sure he had a clear field of fire... Mrs Oulson was clearly at fault when she was wounded for interfering with a citizens killing... I mean arrest and charges may be filed at a later time.

Butch

sometimes hon I adore you:)




Lucylastic -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 11:13:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

it was during the preview, just as it was when he killed someone.
The movie hadnt started




According to the article you posted the couple was in their seats and it was over 15 minutes before the incident. No where does it say the previews had already started. So did you read this someplace else or are you just assuming they had.

Since that was before the lights went down it is a mote point.
its moot ...much bigger than a mote...
its also wrong




jlf1961 -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 11:24:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Hmmm. Does this mean the posters who've been insisting that the aging bully was right to shoot somebody for txting in a cinema as that should carry the death penalty will now repudiate him?



Who the fuck said the guy was justified for shooting someone for texting?

I mean talk about stretching the facts.... by a fucking lightyear.

And people criticize me for stretching the facts.




Lucylastic -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 11:29:49 AM)

you dont remember the thread?
really?? heres just one....... from the last page of 27 pages on the original thread,

"Actually Lucy, the subject is a rude theater fuckwit getting his ass blown away when he was asked to stop behaving like a fuckwit. " edited for relevancy to the point.




jlf1961 -> RE: "popcorn" Killer was texting before killing (3/17/2014 11:44:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you dont remember the thread?
really?? heres just one....... from the last page of 27 pages on the original thread,

"Actually Lucy, the subject is a rude theater fuckwit getting his ass blown away when he was asked to stop behaving like a fuckwit. We had the story of the guy who got stabbed in the head with an icepick for asking someone in a theater to get off the phone, now we have the counterpoint. "



I remember the thread, and reading and rereading the statement you quoted, I fail to see where the shooter is said to have been justified.

In fact, if I remember correctly, the thread title was something like "Death penalty for being an asshole"

Which indicates that shooting someone for being an asshole in a theater is far from justified. I mean dump your $5 medium soda over his head, or on his fucking phone, but you are not justified for shooting the asshole.

Maybe it is a difference in language or something, but I have to disagree with what you are saying.

Let me put it another way.

I live in the country, no noise ordinance. Neighbor's house is a good 250 yards away. Neighbor has fucking stereo system that when he has it at full blast, I can hear it in my home, over my tv and my windows rattle with the base.

Not to mention his parties tend to set my dogs to howling.

And worse, wakes up Damian, my two year old great nephew.

That does not mean I am justified in shooting him. Dumping a five gallon bucket of fresh cowshit in the driver's seat of his brand new beamer convertible, probably.

Hell if I still had my full sized working replica of a civil war napoleon, I would make home made canister rounds with cowshit in them and fire at his house.

But I would not be justified in killing the asshole.




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