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AlexisANew -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 1:37:56 AM)

For those of us who say we have friends in the community who we could turn to, I doubt any of us mean online friends but people we have got to know well in real life. Munches and gatherings are plentiful and its a good start for making what may go on to become long term friendships. I for example have some very good friends. Some are vanilla and some are not. I don't discuss my kink with my vanilla friends but I do with my kinky ones.

Like someone else said, once you speak out there is no taking it back. I decided to tell my best friend about my kink because I believed she was an incredibly open minded person. She dropped all contact with me, ignored my calls, pretended she was out when I called round. I wish, more than anything else that I'd kept my mouth shut. We are friends again now but it will never go back to what we had before I told her. She told me a few years ago that she felt her children were at risk when I was around [8|]

Simple answer is, people don't need to know. Its okay to keep parts of your life private. If you are worried about your safety then you tell people you are going out on a new date and can you do a safe call with them. What else can they do? and why worry them about something that is out of their hands?




TNDommeK -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 3:04:20 AM)

My friends know. My family does not.
His family does, and accepts.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 5:03:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AlexisANew

For those of us who say we have friends in the community who we could turn to, I doubt any of us mean online friends


You have a typo there... "Many" is the world you were looking for.

Jus sayin
Exiled




LafayetteLady -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 7:19:48 AM)

What are you worried about happening OP? That you will be kidnapped, raped and left in a ditch on a first mee? Same thing can and has happened on totally vanilla first meets.

Its great to be safe, its not great to live in fear. You seem intent on making things more than they are.

Do you meet in public places or do you go and have casual play dates with people yoouve never met? Do you go to BDSM clubs?

What exactly is it you are afraid is going to happen?




DaddySatyr -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 7:37:47 AM)

I am an extremely lucky man. My best friend (of many years) is female. Any time I think I may be handling something the wrong way, I bounce ideas off of her.

Additionally, when I met her - twelve or thirteen years ago - she was identifying as submissive. While she's an aesthetically very pleasing lady, she is not submissive. I knew this from the beginning so, there was never any attempt at a "relationship". After just a year or so, she came to see that she wasn't submissive. She is, indeed, dominant.

I bring this up because while I am lucky enough to have a best friend that's a female, I really "hit the lottery" because I can share certain specifics about my life with her. While I don't share anything sexual in nature, I am able to share a lot of things with her that I would not be able to share with people that I know who know nothing about D/s.

For example; if I told my buddy, Victor, that when a lady comes off sideways out of her mouth, she gets some corner time, he'd look at me with that deer-in-the-headlights look. To him (and people like him) that kind of behavior will always be "abuse".

I don't have that with Dana.

So, while I don't know that we need a support system, per se, I think there's a comfort to being able to truly be ourselves with some people. It's priceless, to me, to not have to censor myself when I am amongst people with whom I am close.







OsideGirl -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 8:06:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AlexisANew

For those of us who say we have friends in the community who we could turn to, I doubt any of us mean online friends but people we have got to know well in real life.
up. Exactly. And several of those friends are close enough that we'd help each other bury the body. But, even my kinky friends don't know the details of our relationship because, quite simply, it's none of their business.

quote:

Simple answer is, people don't need to know. Its okay to keep parts of your life private.
It's all about healthy boundaries. I don't hide my relationship, I just don't discuss it. It's none of their business. To the outside world, it just appears that we have an old fashioned, male led relationship. Very few people have ever commented on it and it's usually ended quickly when I point out that our relationship works and is happy.




angelikaJ -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 8:34:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

I never said that you had to discuss intimate details with anyone, just shouldn't you have someone you could go to in case something happened? And how can you rely on friends you've made in "the community" if you aren't part of "the community"?

And if you thought I was talking about sharing intimate details, then maybe it is you that secretly want to share details with friends and family. Just saying



I am unclear about what sort of situation you concerned about in the "in case something happened" department?
A medical emergency?
I would go to either my doctor or the nearest emergency room.

Someone to set up a safe call with?
I could do that and not discuss the nature of the date.

And perhaps you could go check out a local munch.
Maybe you would find you enjoy being a part of your local community.





FriendlyMuppet -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 10:07:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Does it matter? Is there some reason you need to tell your family and friends of your sex life?


I see that a lot of people in this thread treat this as some kind of "sex" discussion, where for many people it may have absolutely little to do with that. An example would be my situation. I did come out to my family at one point, but not to discuss my "sex life" but to discuss my lifestyle. For me, I was living a life as a submissive, a slave, to a woman I loved very much. My family treated her as my "girlfriend" and every time they came in contact with her, my mistress had to pretend to be something she wasn't, just to avoid upsetting my family. I was thankful she was willing to do that, but when I finally came out as what I actually was, and would always be, it took my family some time but she no longer had to tiptoe around why she was making decisions for me, or why when they called and she picked up the phone, why it was significant for her to make decisions for the two of us, and specifically, for me.

Before I came out, the discussion was always someone insulting, where they saw me as henpecked (and all variations of that). After they found out, they started to understand why I always made sure to run everything by her first rather than just answering for the two of us.

That's massively different than discussing my "sex life" with my family. As a matter of fact, not once has my family ever inquired about the "sex" part of the situation after realizing how inappropriate that might appear.




JeffBC -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 10:07:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa
Having a support system is important in all aspects in life, maybe more so in regards to BDSM. The problem becomes, how do you learn if a friend of family member is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo? Logically, if they are open minded about some things, they might be open to others, but just because 1 + 1 = 2, doesn't mean you have two of the same item

I don't think what Carol and I do is "BDSM" -- we basically have a "man runs the house" dynamic. Oddly enough, that's pretty taboo in modern culture... in certain circles MUCH more so than some kinky sex. Because my marriage is a critical part of who I am I feel compelled to share how it works with friends & family. If they didn't know, they couldn't possibly be friends to me... they'd be friends with someone who didn't really exist.

Right along with that, however, is that I don't care if they are "open minded" enough. I just see it quite simply as "do they like me?" If they feel that how I run my marriage is evil then it's best they find out about that early so we can both avoid each other. I think every other person has the right to make such choices and I demean them by taking that right away. So once again, to choose not to say anything is not only preventing them from choosing to like me but also openly declaring I have no respect for them. Such people are not my friends.

Even a lot of just acquaintances know about my marriage. Honesty I've never found it very hard to discuss "difficult" topics with people. I have always suspected that's largely because I don't see it as "taboo" or "wrong" and I'm not trying to shock anyone when I have these discussions. It probably also has a lot to do with the sort of people who make it into my inner circles -- and even outer circles -- to start with.

So in your case you are apparently discussing sexuality. Why not simply say what needs to be said and let the chips fall where they may? What would it mean to you if one of your [alleged] friends turned out to be unable to like you if they found out you like <insert weird sexuality here>? All it would mean to me is that this person wasn't a good friend for me... excise from circles and move on... no big deal.




GoddessManko -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 10:09:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

Having a support system is important in all aspects in life, maybe more so in regards to BDSM. The problem becomes, how do you learn if a friend of family member is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo? Logically, if they are open minded about some things, they might be open to others, but just because 1 + 1 = 2, doesn't mean you have two of the same item


My siblings know, no one else does apart from those I have dommed in the past or present. Neither care for it, nor do we discuss it.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 10:17:01 AM)

FR

Like many, I have friends who know, I have friends and family who don't.

The CM forum is my favorite BDSM group, the depth and breadth of viewpoints and knowledge is marvelous to me. If I needed support about something BDSM related, I'd come here. I know I'd get what I *need* to hear, not what I want to hear. And that has great value to me.

In my mind it's the big value of online forums. You can have a support group without having to leave the house.





LadyConstanze -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 10:27:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

What are you worried about happening OP? That you will be kidnapped, raped and left in a ditch on a first mee? Same thing can and has happened on totally vanilla first meets.

Its great to be safe, its not great to live in fear. You seem intent on making things more than they are.

Do you meet in public places or do you go and have casual play dates with people yoouve never met? Do you go to BDSM clubs?

What exactly is it you are afraid is going to happen?


Considering the stalking thread we had recently, I think there is always the danger of that, then if somebody knows your "secret" and you aren't out (as most of us aren't, it's a need to know basis and most people don't need to know about my sexuality) it can lead to complications and might make people a lot less eager to report somebody...




kalikshama -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 10:43:54 AM)

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The CM forum is my favorite BDSM group, the depth and breadth of viewpoints and knowledge is marvelous to me. If I needed support about something BDSM related, I'd come here. I know I'd get what I *need* to hear, not what I want to hear. And that has great value to me.


Me too.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 10:45:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

I never said that you had to discuss intimate details with anyone, just shouldn't you have someone you could go to in case something happened? And how can you rely on friends you've made in "the community" if you aren't part of "the community"?


In all honesty, Ive been doing this in one form or another for almost 20 years now. I'm not a real big "community" person to begin with, so I've not come to depend on anyone else for safety or support. I've never arranged safety calls, never left the personal information about who I plan to meet just in case. I've honestly used common sense, meeting in public places, and took my own responsibility for my safety. I'm a private person by nature, so I honestly just prefer to keep my personal business my personal business. Take my guy Ive been with for two years now. Family and friends know he exists, however they do not know the nature of our connection. I personally don't care how open minded my friends or family are. My personal business is none of theirs. That's just how I honestly feel.

To each their own though. If involving others in your affairs works for you, do it. But no amount of involving others in your affairs is going to replace the ultimate responsibility for your safety and well being resting squarely on your shoulders. That too is my honest opinion...we all bear responsibility for ourselves above all else.

quote:

And if you thought I was talking about sharing intimate details, then maybe it is you that secretly want to share details with friends and family. Just saying


The point of this little swipe at people was...?




kkaliforniaa -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 4:09:16 PM)

Page 2: Thank you AlexisANew, DaddySatyr, FriendlyMuppet, JeffBC, LadyConstanze, your responses have been the most helpful and supportive!!

The thing with making friends with people at munches and gatherings is, it usually takes a while to develop a great relationship with someone. And even then, there is no guarantee that you'll be good friends with them for very long. Factor in outside influences. I had a friend who recently left everything kink because the person they are married to finds it repulsive. This is a person I had been friends with for about 5 years.

Wow! Just wow! That friend of yours AlexisANew. It's good, if that's what you want it to be, that you're friends again, but talk about closed minded!!

To Lafayette: Yes, I've read news stories about people who had been attacked and such, although kink was never mentioned, so it can only be assumed that all the situations were vanilla. But once kink enters the picture, close minded people could think stuff like, "but I thought you liked that sort of thing" or "you should have known that it was dangerous", etc.. .. And yes, I do meet in public places, but not all clubs are in locations with dozens of other clubs or businesses, which is where a risk could come in. Especially if you are walking to and from the club.. .. Call me a boy/girl scout, "always be prepared" *haha*

To JeffBC: Your answer is helpful, and while it may seem like I was talking about just sex, I didn't mean for it to appear that way. Going to bdsm clubs and such doesn't mean you'll be engaging in orgies and such, but sadly, that's what people may think happens.. .. You asked, "What would it mean to you if one of your [alleged] friends turned out to be unable to like you if they found out you like <insert weird sexuality here>?" It's one thing to lose a friend, but to lose a family member because they are soooo close minded!! Especially a parent. I mean yes, I am old enough to make my own decisions, but they are still my parents, and if something happened, like I'd hope with all parents, I'm sure they would be very sad. So it's a tough decision to make. Tell them and become further alienated, or find someone else who would be more understanding, and if my parents needed to know, would only tell them the bare essentials.. I think someone had mentioned, basically, treating all situations like vanilla situations. But if something happens.. Example, you get mugged in a part of town you don't go to very often, the question becomes, "what were they doing there?"


I just remembered, the original reason for posting!!, "how do you learn if a friend of family member is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo?"





angelikaJ -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 4:31:06 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

I never said that you had to discuss intimate details with anyone, just shouldn't you have someone you could go to in case something happened? And how can you rely on friends you've made in "the community" if you aren't part of "the community"?

And if you thought I was talking about sharing intimate details, then maybe it is you that secretly want to share details with friends and family. Just saying



I am unclear about what sort of situation you concerned about in the "in case something happened" department?
A medical emergency?
I would go to either my doctor or the nearest emergency room.

Someone to set up a safe call with?
I could do that and not discuss the nature of the date.

And perhaps you could go check out a local munch.
Maybe you would find you enjoy being a part of your local community.




quote:

I just remembered, the original reason for posting!!, "how do you learn if a friend of family member is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo?"...


...which has nothing what-so-ever to do with your previous "in case something happened" post.

It sounds like you desire validation and acceptance.

Let me ask you a question: are there personal details about your friends and family that you would prefer not to know?

Bear in mind that even outside of "the taboo", there are probably things that some people who are close to you, would prefer not to know.

So, again, I am unclear what you are specifically looking for within your question.







NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 4:34:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

Having a support system is important in all aspects in life, maybe more so in regards to BDSM. The problem becomes, how do you learn if a friend of family member is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo? Logically, if they are open minded about some things, they might be open to others, but just because 1 + 1 = 2, doesn't mean you have two of the same item

First of all, I'm not sure why you'd need a support system for being kinky. I can see having a mentor or something if you're new, but a support system? Anyway, I have friends who do know I'm kinky and friend and (most of my) family who don't. The one family member who does know because she kept badgering me for the name of the so-called dating site that I'm on and I told her "collarme." She asked what it was, I told her & she came unglued. lol Now she's okay with it, er, more or less. Otherwise, I'd have never told her as I don't think my family needs to know about my sex life. But, my sister did out me as poly over last Thanksgiving dinner, so I figure it's just a matter of time til she blabs that I'm kinky. If/when that happens, I'll just...deal with it.

NBMG




LeatherBentOne51 -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 5:28:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity

quote:

ORIGINAL: kkaliforniaa

I never said that you had to discuss intimate details with anyone, just shouldn't you have someone you could go to in case something happened? And how can you rely on friends you've made in "the community" if you aren't part of "the community"?


In all honesty, Ive been doing this in one form or another for almost 20 years now. I'm not a real big "community" person to begin with, so I've not come to depend on anyone else for safety or support. I've never arranged safety calls, never left the personal information about who I plan to meet just in case. I've honestly used common sense, meeting in public places, and took my own responsibility for my safety. I'm a private person by nature, so I honestly just prefer to keep my personal business my personal business. Take my guy Ive been with for two years now. Family and friends know he exists, however they do not know the nature of our connection. I personally don't care how open minded my friends or family are. My personal business is none of theirs. That's just how I honestly feel.

To each their own though. If involving others in your affairs works for you, do it. But no amount of involving others in your affairs is going to replace the ultimate responsibility for your safety and well being resting squarely on your shoulders. That too is my honest opinion...we all bear responsibility for ourselves above all else.

quote:

And if you thought I was talking about sharing intimate details, then maybe it is you that secretly want to share details with friends and family. Just saying


The point of this little swipe at people was...?


OP:
Once something happens it's already too late. You are ultimately responsible to use your common sense as you would do in meeting any stranger. Being in a hurry to find "someone" is almost always a mistake. Remember, this person is a stranger, like any other stranger.

Have fun and be safe,
LBO51






theshytype -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 6:15:47 PM)

I have no interest in openly sharing this part of me. It's on a need to know basis and most don't need to know. It's okay if not everyone knows all the details of my life.
Now, because of my brand of humor, those close to me most likely wouldn't be shocked if they found out. If they asked me a specific question, I'd be inclined to answer honestly. That's how I am.
Otherwise, I'll leave them guessing and coming up with their own conclusions as they typically do. And typically, they're close if not spot on.
Even from strangers I have heard "it's always the shy and quiet ones..."
So, I feel I have no reason to specify.

I will say that it is nice to share and learn from like-minded individuals, otherwise I wouldn't be here.




kkaliforniaa -> RE: Friends and family (3/18/2014 7:47:54 PM)

Okay. I guess I need to word the question differently. How would you go about learning if someone is open minded enough to accept your interest in the taboo?




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