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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 4:42:58 AM   
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yep, its all theory and supposition, see schrodinger's cat. Textbook definition of quantum theory

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 5:08:46 AM   
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I did not see the C57-D on the chart saying it had all the sci fi spaceships, thus the chart is inaccurate and the person making said statement needs to be taken out and flogged, followed by 4 days of water boarding, ending with 24 hours of "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo."

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 5:18:44 AM   
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A chart of every spaceship from every major sci-fi series


Once again... why does Kana get all the cool stuff?

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 5:33:59 AM   
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A chart of every spaceship from every major sci-fi series


Once again... why does Kana get all the cool stuff?

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The fact a significant ship is missing from that chart makes it uncool.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 5:41:56 AM   
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I wasn't talking about this ships.

Jus sayin

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 6:53:37 AM   
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I'm still waiting for a rational explanation from someone why no starship designer remembers to put in bathrooms (heads, latrines, water closets, whatever the hell you wanna call them) in their designs.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 7:06:46 AM   
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Cuz they just go in their suits, man. It's like techno diaper play.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 7:42:37 AM   
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I'm still waiting for a rational explanation from someone why no starship designer remembers to put in bathrooms (heads, latrines, water closets, whatever the hell you wanna call them) in their designs.

Isn't it obvious? Our robotic overlords won the war and all the "people" aren't really people, they are androids. So they have no need to pee.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 8:43:08 AM   
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It might be bigger on the inside but at least the rooms are well thought out.






This came to me last night after I saw this, and like every other SF design, it has one glaring flaw....

WHERE ARE THE FRIGGIN' BATHROOMS?

Seriously, every ship design and layout I've seen omits this one crucial facility. Or do people in the future not have to go?



I don't know about the designs themselves, but Firefly's Serenity had a bathroom. And so did The Enterprise D (in people's quarters). Also, the Romulan ship that Deanna was on had a bathroom...

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 8:45:41 AM   
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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 8:50:38 AM   
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I'm still waiting for a rational explanation from someone why no starship designer remembers to put in bathrooms (heads, latrines, water closets, whatever the hell you wanna call them) in their designs.


Actually, on the schematic display of the Enterprise on TNG, there is a bathroom noted, one bathroom, for 2000 crew and family.

It is on deck ten, lower hull midships.

However, it is implied on all star trek series that a bathroom is in the crew cabins, implied by the actors coming out of a hidden portion of the set in a towel or in the case of female actors, drying hair.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 9:08:20 AM   
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I know that, but when they're at the duty stations, what do they do? Tell their section chief they gotta go back to their cabins to take a leak? While it's not as cool as banks of turbolasers and fighter bays, little things like that are what makes a design more 'real' to me.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 10:09:01 AM   
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I know that, but when they're at the duty stations, what do they do? Tell their section chief they gotta go back to their cabins to take a leak? While it's not as cool as banks of turbolasers and fighter bays, little things like that are what makes a design more 'real' to me.


You did not say that, you said "WHERE ARE THE FRIGGIN' BATHROOMS? " and "I'm still waiting for a rational explanation from someone why no starship designer remembers to put in bathrooms (heads, latrines, water closets, whatever the hell you wanna call them) in their designs. "

With these two statements you indicated there were no bathrooms. I just explained that there were indeed bathrooms.

What you meant was convenient bathrooms.

The answer to this question is simple, in the future, nanobots will deal with all waste products in the body for a period of 8 hours, after which, your bladder and bowels will send the signal to the brain saying hit the toilet now or else. You can ignore this signal once in 24 hours, if you try to ignore it twice, you explode with the force of a matter conversion device or about 20 megatons, which as we know would destroy the ship and crew.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 4:20:09 PM   
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If you go back to the old NCC-1701 Tech Manual; the bathroom for the bridge was located behind the viewing screen. You saw people coming out of the shower in quarters on occasion. But, you never got to view the futuristic plumbing.

I still think it nifty the Tardis has a swimming pool but they never mention the loo.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/24/2014 11:26:21 PM   
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One of the coolest things out there is polluted glass. It has the remarkable property of allowing current to flow just one way. Sandwich two bits, and you have either a positive-negative-positive, or an n-p-n. This configuration has the remarkable ability to control a lot with a little. That is a deal you don't get very often. And that is what is wrong with my post, #59. Where does the energy equivalent to the mass of the Universe come from?

It doesn't come out of my starship fuel, that is for damn sure. There isn't enough of it. By about a million billion trillion orders of magnitude. Yet the energy seems to be there when I back into it. WTF, over?

What we are looking at here is the breakdown of general relativity under extreme conditions. My ship didn't just become a black hole, it crashed into the entire rest of the universe. That just is not going to happen. Relativity is an inadequate theory that cannot really explain the Universe, its' beginning, its' end, or many of the objects and effects already observed in it. You can use the theory to construct an atomic bomb. But you can't use it to design a faster than light stardrive. In light of limitations already demonstrated, we have to keep an open mind and try to feel what's real. And I have now a take on things that might solve the problems I earlier in this thread alluded to and pull the proverbial rabbit out by the ears.

Electrogravidics (remember the thread is sci-fi) is said by some to be a physical effect whereby gravity is altered electromagnetically. Some sources rumor the Roswell craft had a laminated aluminum / beryllium hull. The classic flying saucer has a metal hull and no apparent thruster. The classic saucer can also change speed or direction incredibly quickly and also hang there in the air just exactly the way a brick doesn't. And they ALL come from VERY far away. These things point at electrogravidics.

The chief advantage is, the craft is not being accelerated. Space is being bent. A hole in gravity is being temporarily created for the craft to fall into. That hole can be placed in any desired direction from the craft. It can be moved to any other direction at will. It can be arbitrarily deep. This means the craft can move in any direction at any time at any speed. Without the craft or crew ever feeling the acceleration. Because every atom, particle and wave in the field effect is accelerated at the same time, the same amount, the same direction. In addition to matter, the field will affect radiation. Bend light. Therefore extreme speed need not blueshift radiation as the craft approaches. The craft therefore need not be strong to be durable. Neither the crew.

Further, two such craft in formation need only use one engine. The gravity effect doesn't care how much mass it pulls. Or pushes. Or whatever. Two thousand such craft lined up like the classic cigar shaped craft would still need only one motor. And only one steering wheel. Presumably, that would be the motor of the biggest craft, and presumably it would also be the rearmost. That last bit, because no one ever noticed a saucer leaping into the air towing a bunch of dirt and rocks. So that would mean the effect would have to be terminated at the motor itself.

Cow tipping is a topic for another thread.


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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/25/2014 7:25:41 AM   
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Joss Whedon sure knows how to kill a guy. Sitting in the theater on opening night watching it was shocking. The theater gasped.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/25/2014 12:10:37 PM   
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Hah, I watched him doing a Q&A about making this movie, he talks about his thinking behind killing off major characters.
I'm pretty sure it's in the DVD extras.
Whatever the case, I think anyone who's seen the movie will agree... That was some good whed.

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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/25/2014 12:12:00 PM   
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For the coolest ships in a Sci Fi series, my vote goes to Babylon 5. I thought they did a fantastic job in creating different, unique and cool designs for the series.








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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/25/2014 12:15:07 PM   
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RE: A rational discussion on the merits of various ship... - 3/25/2014 3:59:00 PM   
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And a further brick in the wall of corporate network fuck-ups, there is "Crusade"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade_%28TV_series%29

Like Firefly, if you show episodes out of order with confusing messed up continuity; you lose all but the most dedicated audience.


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