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truckinslave -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/7/2014 9:09:19 PM)

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is it just more polyana thinking on your part.
All I said was that they have announced their willingness to commit violence,


It's more than mildly humorous that the study he linked started with:

Robbery is an intrinsically violent crime....





truckinslave -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/7/2014 9:11:47 PM)

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On the topic of worst winter.. gotta love that global warming, eh? Guess at the very least we should count it an asset that it lowers gun violence, eh?


Great pickup. Great.




BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/7/2014 9:12:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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is it just more polyana thinking on your part.
All I said was that they have announced their willingness to commit violence,


It's more than mildly humorous that the study he linked started with:

Robbery is an intrinsically violent crime....



Well they don't expect you to give them your stuff because they are so likable




truckinslave -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/7/2014 9:17:58 PM)

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Well they don't expect you to give them your stuff because they are so likable


True.
They expect you to give them your stuff because they are the only one armed....




Phydeaux -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/7/2014 9:21:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



Another liberal misconception shredded by its encounter with reality.


That many liberals are gunowners shreds this moronic encounter with reality.


This. Liberal feminist with an arsenal. I'm from Maine it's how we roll..seriously. Generalizations suck.


The number of people that continue to be unable to read is staggering. In no place did I ever say that liberals don't own guns.

I said the decline of violence in chicago shreads the liberal misconception that CCW increases violence.




DomKen -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 5:59:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

"Most of the gun violence in this city is kids with guns shooting at other kids with guns. "


And your gun ban did so much good so I guess this gun hating is just crap.

Yes, it is amazing. the same worthless scum that run the pot and coke up from Texas bring in cheap guns they buy on the way and sell right along with the drugs. Every time they bust a drug shipment they always find a bunch of guns too.

Now the question is why are there gun dealers selling trunk loads of guns to the same people every few days and getting away with it?

Left wing myth that defies reason.
DC used that excuse so does Chicago.
So why don't the places the guns come from have as high a crime rate?
Is it some vile right wing conspiracy against progressive cities?
Or is it because only the bad guys have guns?
Or maybe the law there thinks like you and if you aren't bleeding it isn't self defense.

Based on the rate of executions in Texas they do. They just spread it out more. So maybe you should stop the bullshit. Texas is exceptionally well armed and has a busy death chamber so guns do not work as deterrent. That is simple fact.




DomKen -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 6:03:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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On the topic of worst winter.. gotta love that global warming, eh? Guess at the very least we should count it an asset that it lowers gun violence, eh?


Great pickup. Great.

Maybe one day the two of you will understand the idea that climate and weather are not the same thing.

If you're actually interested, climate change is the cause of this exceptionally bad winter. The arctic cyclone destabilized and pushed polar air masses into the central US over and over again. Alaska and Europe actually had very mild winters in comparison. It may turn out that overall this was the warmest winter in the northern hemisphere ever.




BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:02:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

"Most of the gun violence in this city is kids with guns shooting at other kids with guns. "


And your gun ban did so much good so I guess this gun hating is just crap.

Yes, it is amazing. the same worthless scum that run the pot and coke up from Texas bring in cheap guns they buy on the way and sell right along with the drugs. Every time they bust a drug shipment they always find a bunch of guns too.

Now the question is why are there gun dealers selling trunk loads of guns to the same people every few days and getting away with it?

Left wing myth that defies reason.
DC used that excuse so does Chicago.
So why don't the places the guns come from have as high a crime rate?
Is it some vile right wing conspiracy against progressive cities?
Or is it because only the bad guys have guns?
Or maybe the law there thinks like you and if you aren't bleeding it isn't self defense.

Based on the rate of executions in Texas they do. They just spread it out more. So maybe you should stop the bullshit. Texas is exceptionally well armed and has a busy death chamber so guns do not work as deterrent. That is simple fact.

No they don't.
Crime always goes down when ccw laws are passed that is a simple fact.
So your rebuttal is to deny reality.




Moonhead -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:05:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Crime always goes down when ccw laws are passed that is a simple fact.
So your rebuttal is to deny reality.

That's why the 'States has much lower statistics for murder and violent crime than any western country with gun control.




BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:12:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Crime always goes down when ccw laws are passed that is a simple fact.
So your rebuttal is to deny reality.

That's why the 'States has much lower statistics for murder and violent crime than any western country with gun control.

A We were comparing apples and apples in the US crime goes down when CCW laws are passed.
B You were comparing apples to oranges
The US has a higher murder rate with non firearms than the UK has total.




thompsonx -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:18:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



I said the decline of violence in chicago shreads the liberal misconception that CCW increases violence.



It has been shown that the ccw laws in chicago had no influence on the lower murder rate.
No proof has been offered that liberals think ccw increases violence.





BamaD -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:20:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux



I said the decline of violence in chicago shreads the liberal misconception that CCW increases violence.



It has been shown that the ccw laws in chicago had no influence on the lower murder rate.
No proof has been offered that liberals think ccw increases violence.



You haven't been reading these threads.




Lucylastic -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:22:50 AM)

It wouldnt be so bad if people stopped making strawman or misinterpreting what is said.
also plain twisting of facts would be nice if it stopped




Phydeaux -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:24:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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On the topic of worst winter.. gotta love that global warming, eh? Guess at the very least we should count it an asset that it lowers gun violence, eh?


Great pickup. Great.

Maybe one day the two of you will understand the idea that climate and weather are not the same thing.

If you're actually interested, climate change is the cause of this exceptionally bad winter. The arctic cyclone destabilized and pushed polar air masses into the central US over and over again. Alaska and Europe actually had very mild winters in comparison. It may turn out that overall this was the warmest winter in the northern hemisphere ever.


Yeah. It might. Except it wasn't.

From NOAA (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/02/)

Northern Hemisphere, land: 53rth warmest winter, ever.

Damn those inconvenient facts.


Besides, let me get this straight. You're arguing that the cold weather is responsible for our levels of gun violence. So if it was the warmest winter ever (snicker) wouldn't that mean gun violence increased?

Except of course, it didn't.




Tkman117 -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:37:52 AM)

Jesus man, he means global temperature. You say you know the difference between climate and weather yet you continuously demonstrate that you don't on a regular basis.




mnottertail -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:47:58 AM)

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So if it was the warmest winter ever (snicker) wouldn't that mean gun violence increased?


Yeah, the northern hemisphere covers a great deal of country. (snicker)

See the thing about great numbers being added together is it obfuscates everything. (snicker)

Innumerates are unaware. (snicker)

In Minnesota for example, it was our 5th coldest winter on record. (snicker)

And we have some cold winters here. (snicker)

I wasn't gonna go outside to shoot anybody, they would have had to come in the house. (snicker)

I am sure the chicagoans felt about the same with that fuckin hawk breathin down their neck. (snicker)




DomKen -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:53:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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On the topic of worst winter.. gotta love that global warming, eh? Guess at the very least we should count it an asset that it lowers gun violence, eh?


Great pickup. Great.

Maybe one day the two of you will understand the idea that climate and weather are not the same thing.

If you're actually interested, climate change is the cause of this exceptionally bad winter. The arctic cyclone destabilized and pushed polar air masses into the central US over and over again. Alaska and Europe actually had very mild winters in comparison. It may turn out that overall this was the warmest winter in the northern hemisphere ever.


Yeah. It might. Except it wasn't.

From NOAA (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/02/)

Northern Hemisphere, land: 53rth warmest winter, ever.

Damn those inconvenient facts.

damn your lies.
No where on that page does it say that. No where. You just made it up. What it does say is this.
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The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the December–February period was 0.57°C (1.03°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.8°F), making it the eighth warmest such period on record.

and this
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The Northern Hemisphere had its eighth warmest winter

And I'll have to acknowledge that the data had been updated since I last checked and the mean had come down some. but 53rd? Bullshit.



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Besides, let me get this straight. You're arguing that the cold weather is responsible for our levels of gun violence. So if it was the warmest winter ever (snicker) wouldn't that mean gun violence increased?

Except of course, it didn't.

In Chicago? You bet your ass the weather co-relates with gun violence. We have less when it is really cold and we have more when it is really hot. Anybody with even a tiny bit of sense knows why.




DomKen -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:55:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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So if it was the warmest winter ever (snicker) wouldn't that mean gun violence increased?


Yeah, the northern hemisphere covers a great deal of country. (snicker)

See the thing about great numbers being added together is it obfuscates everything. (snicker)

Innumerates are unaware. (snicker)

In Minnesota for example, it was our 5th coldest winter on record. (snicker)

And we have some cold winters here. (snicker)

I wasn't gonna go outside to shoot anybody, they would have had to come in the house. (snicker)

I am sure the chicagoans felt about the same with that fuckin hawk breathin down their neck. (snicker)


There were some days we wouldn't have gone outside if the house had caught fire.




DomKen -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 9:56:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

"Most of the gun violence in this city is kids with guns shooting at other kids with guns. "


And your gun ban did so much good so I guess this gun hating is just crap.

Yes, it is amazing. the same worthless scum that run the pot and coke up from Texas bring in cheap guns they buy on the way and sell right along with the drugs. Every time they bust a drug shipment they always find a bunch of guns too.

Now the question is why are there gun dealers selling trunk loads of guns to the same people every few days and getting away with it?

Left wing myth that defies reason.
DC used that excuse so does Chicago.
So why don't the places the guns come from have as high a crime rate?
Is it some vile right wing conspiracy against progressive cities?
Or is it because only the bad guys have guns?
Or maybe the law there thinks like you and if you aren't bleeding it isn't self defense.

Based on the rate of executions in Texas they do. They just spread it out more. So maybe you should stop the bullshit. Texas is exceptionally well armed and has a busy death chamber so guns do not work as deterrent. That is simple fact.

No they don't.
Crime always goes down when ccw laws are passed that is a simple fact.
So your rebuttal is to deny reality.

Nonsense. Texas!




Phydeaux -> RE: Concealed Carry bans overturned in Chicago, Violent crime down sharply (4/8/2014 10:31:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Jesus man, he means global temperature. You say you know the difference between climate and weather yet you continuously demonstrate that you don't on a regular basis.


Except, Jesus man.. he doesn't.

Let me quote you...

"It may turn out that overall this was the warmest winter in the northern hemisphere ever. "

I'm not the one saying that the weather is proof of global warming. In fact... who would that be.. why, that would be DomKen.

Let me quote him for you.

"If you're actually interested, climate change is the cause of this exceptionally bad winter."


Learn to read sonny.





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