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About 15 years ago, the Earth's temperature was rising fast. Most climate models predicted that trend would continue, as humans continued to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Instead, the Earth's surface temperature over the past 13 years has been mostly stable.

In recent years, scientists have worked to understand why this "pause" in warming has occurred and was not predicted by models (ClimateWire Nov. 1, 2013).

"The fact that [the pause] has lasted a full 13 years has really challenged the scientific community to explain this mismatch between models and observations," said Matthew England, a climate scientist with the Australian Research Council's Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

That's a libertarian thing, sadly. All of the blather about "objective reality" (one of the four planks of Ayn Rand's tiresome philosophy) in objectivism and libertarianism breaks down into meaning: "my facts are facts, whether they bear any relation to objective reality or not, while your facts are not facts, because I don't like them and refuse to accept them as facts."

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?

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While I am sure we are all enjoying your cut/paste-a-thon I thought I would round out the story you Repubs seem to cut short regarding your medieval warming.

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A couple of notes you left out--"Despite substantial uncertainties, especially for the period prior to 1600 for which data are scarce, the warmest period of the last 2,000 years prior to the 20th century very likely occurred between 950 and 1100, but temperatures were probably between 0.1 °C and 0.2 °C below the 1961 to 1990 mean and significantly below the level shown by instrumental data after 1980." So, basically, you're wrong.

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Also,"Secondly, the Medieval Warm Period has KNOWN causes which explain both the scale of the warmth and the pattern. It has now become clear to scientists that the Medieval Warm Period occurred during a time which had higher than average solar radiation and less volcanic activity (both resulting in warming). New evidence is also suggesting that changes in ocean circulation patterns played a very important role in bringing warmer seawater into the North Atlantic. This explains much of the extraordinary warmth in that region. These causes of warming contrast significantly with today's warming, which we know cannot be caused by the same mechanisms."

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"In 1965 British climatologist Hubert Horace Lamb examined historical records of harvests and precipitation, along with early ice-core and tree-ring data, and concluded that the MWP was probably 1–2 °C (1.8–3.6 °F) warmer than early 20th-century conditions in Europe.

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Attempts to calculate global temperature changes during the MWP, even using modern instrumental and ice-core sampling techniques, have been inconclusive."

"Overall, our conclusions are:

a) Globally temperatures are warmer than they have been during the last 2,000 years, and

b) the causes of Medieval warming are not the same as those causing late 20th century warming."

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ORIGINAL: Whippedboy
The reason young people are worried and old people are not worried is because the old people are going to be dead when this is getting worse.

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Well, I Googled ONE paragraph from one of your posts and THIS came up: http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783?print=1
Pretty much your whole argument, pics included in one "lucky" draw, I'd say? Yes, Global Research.
Do you think I was posting my opinions? No, I am posting the opinion of 97% of the scientists who think global climate change is real.
Tree rings? It also mentions correlating with ice-core samples, which you seem to be all hot and sticky about. So, I encourage you to read the entire quote as you have encouraged so many others to do the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
http://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/175842/medieval-warm-period-MWP
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

This goes back to my FIRST point--why NOT stop polluting REGARDLESS? I want to drink clean water, breathe clean air and not worry that my house is built on a toxic waste dump.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?

You picked a single moment in time as if that proves something? Do you know what is happening right now in the Eastern Pacific? Do you know the significance? Care to discuss the probable impact on global climate?

LOL. There are at least 3 events happening over the eastern pacific, that relate to global warming. So it would be easy for me to pick one and you to say I'm wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

I'd also like to point out DomKen, that your paper contradicts you strongly in another area.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

That's a libertarian thing, sadly. All of the blather about "objective reality" (one of the four planks of Ayn Rand's tiresome philosophy) in objectivism and libertarianism breaks down into meaning: "my facts are facts, whether they bear any relation to objective reality or not, while your facts are not facts, because I don't like them and refuse to accept them as facts."

Do you REALLY think Rand is the first to submit that if you don't agree with what I am saying then you are not right?
Come on, not that stupid, right?

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Randians are even more delusional than fundie evangelists

But not quite so much as 'tolerant' liberals.

I dont tolerate wilful ignorance...and Ive always claimed that, which is why..we dont get on.

You must have allergies.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?

You picked a single moment in time as if that proves something? Do you know what is happening right now in the Eastern Pacific? Do you know the significance? Care to discuss the probable impact on global climate?

LOL. There are at least 3 events happening over the eastern pacific, that relate to global warming. So it would be easy for me to pick one and you to say I'm wrong.

So you do not actually pay any attention to science news and only get the talking points from the right wing webs sites gotcha.

There is one and only one event in the eastern Pacific people interested in the climate are talking about right now. You wouldn't need to clutch at straws or go looking for some obscure paper about to be published if you were actually even moderately well informed.

I'll let you in on the not secret, the biggest El Nino ever appears  to be forming. It's only been all over the real climate news.

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ORIGINAL: Whippedboy

Well, I Googled ONE paragraph from one of your posts and THIS came up: http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783?print=1
Pretty much your whole argument, pics included in one "lucky" draw, I'd say? Yes, Global Research.
Do you think I was posting my opinions? No, I am posting the opinion of 97% of the scientists who think global climate change is real.
Tree rings? It also mentions correlating with ice-core samples, which you seem to be all hot and sticky about. So, I encourage you to read the entire quote as you have encouraged so many others to do the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
http://www.skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period.htm
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/175842/medieval-warm-period-MWP
https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

This goes back to my FIRST point--why NOT stop polluting REGARDLESS? I want to drink clean water, breathe clean air and not worry that my house is built on a toxic waste dump.

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Attempts to calculate global temperature changes during the MWP, even using modern instrumental and ice-core sampling techniques, have been inconclusive."

"Overall, our conclusions are:

a) Globally temperatures are warmer than they have been during the last 2,000 years, and

b) the causes of Medieval warming are not the same as those causing late 20th century warming."

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?

You picked a single moment in time as if that proves something? Do you know what is happening right now in the Eastern Pacific? Do you know the significance? Care to discuss the probable impact on global climate?

LOL. There are at least 3 events happening over the eastern pacific, that relate to global warming. So it would be easy for me to pick one and you to say I'm wrong.

So you do not actually pay any attention to science news and only get the talking points from the right wing webs sites gotcha.

There is one and only one event in the eastern Pacific people interested in the climate are talking about right now. You wouldn't need to clutch at straws or go looking for some obscure paper about to be published if you were actually even moderately well informed.

I'll let you in on the not secret, the biggest El Nino ever appears  to be forming. It's only been all over the real climate news.

In 40 words or less DomKen, explain the relationship of PDO's to el nino's.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Global ice cores,
Nasa satellite data,
European satellite data not enough.. eh?

So here's a pretty picture from earth observatory...


Does this look like global warming to you?

You picked a single moment in time as if that proves something? Do you know what is happening right now in the Eastern Pacific? Do you know the significance? Care to discuss the probable impact on global climate?

LOL. There are at least 3 events happening over the eastern pacific, that relate to global warming. So it would be easy for me to pick one and you to say I'm wrong.

So you do not actually pay any attention to science news and only get the talking points from the right wing webs sites gotcha.

There is one and only one event in the eastern Pacific people interested in the climate are talking about right now. You wouldn't need to clutch at straws or go looking for some obscure paper about to be published if you were actually even moderately well informed.

I'll let you in on the not secret, the biggest El Nino ever appears  to be forming. It's only been all over the real climate news.

In 40 words or less DomKen, explain the relationship of PDO's to el nino's.

Pacific Decadal Oscillations may be but are not conclusively related to the el nino. So that is not possible. But you'd know that as well if you actually knew what you were talking about which it is obvious you don't. So sad.

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Funny. https://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/PDO.html

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The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) is a pattern of Pacific climate variability similar to ENSO in character

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LOVE how you disregard the other 4 citations? You want more? Seriously?