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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:49:26 PM   
jezabelKH


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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: sirdontre

OK WHY ARE IN A FORUM DISCUSSING A WEDDING ......?



A question was asked and the wedding being talked about was a BDSM wedding.  I don't think the moderators will have a problem.

Besides, it's better than stirring up acrimony between the Goreans and the BDSM contingent.


Sir,

my original quote was for

"seeking truthfull, unbiased and educational answers"

acrimony, not even the case, i have not shown harsh or biting language or feelings of Gorean vs BDSM in any way shape or form. if You will kindly review my profile O/our household is mixed M/s, 24/7, Poly, BDSM and Gorean.

thank You.

jezabel{KH}
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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 2:54:05 PM   
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Well I have no problem with any BDSM community as long as we understand and respect each and learn from each.We do not have to agree we have learn to accept through learning the difference.

In my thoughts   it is the positve structure ,guidence ,and moral that is recieved through practice for one beginning in BDSM that concerns many .
Gorean vs.Leather   is that of simular to The teachings of Farahakan vs. Christainty.
Gorean and Farahakan if looked at closely can beseen as stepping tools to reality of what, where, how we are trying to get ppl to understand.

< Message edited by sirdontre -- 7/11/2006 2:56:45 PM >


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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 3:03:58 PM   
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Sir,

thank You for Your response, i agree positve structure, guidence and moral is recieved through practice.

sincerely,
jezabel{KH}
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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 3:07:23 PM   
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Thank You, yes i would have to agree with You it is a quest, a quest for unbiased, truthful and educational answers.

< Message edited by jezabelKH -- 7/11/2006 3:08:10 PM >

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 3:12:04 PM   
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I would have loved to see that....too bad you cant share the pics...<smile>

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 3:17:09 PM   
sirdontre


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Good luck with that quest

Unfortunately a sexual practice that is conducted primarily in secret is unlikely to have a lot of records and facts you can check.

Plus you'd need to define what you mean but "BDSM Leather Lifestyle" first before you could look for any evidence.


Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,

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It is a quest if one associated the lifestyle with sexual behavior.For many BDSM IS NOT ALL ABOUT BUSTING A NUT(SEX)!!!!

Leather Bdsm is not about Sex either .You watch a Leatherman play and watch the after care .I will admit yes leatherfolk have sex but not while beating the living out of the one on the table or wall .
Society even our community of kink has painted odd images of leathermen .That's why I say really meet leatherfolk .Heck ...if that is the Quest then I need to look beyond the het/bi/trans community and thier sleeping   quarters .

< Message edited by sirdontre -- 7/11/2006 3:21:37 PM >


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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 3:22:08 PM   
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Sir,

yes i agree this lifestyle is not about sex. it never has been and never will be.

sincerely,
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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 3:38:44 PM   
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While I don't have sex with every single person that I play with, there is definitely a sexual tension or chemistry involved.  There has to be for me.  Because while not every aspect of the lifestyle gets me wet, that's the main reason I'm here.  It's tied to my sexuality.  For me it's almost all about sex. 

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 3:41:24 PM   
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Ok the topic here is?
Well NOT about sex,a wedding, or what is what .

Can we stay on the topic of discussion here?


< Message edited by sirdontre -- 7/11/2006 3:44:20 PM >


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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 4:09:17 PM   
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MissTress,

I don't think you got the memo, just the bludgeoning...

You may not express anything which constitutes your opinion or in put into this thread, unless it is pre-approved to meet the needs and outcome of the House of Hussy and their chums (new and old, there seem to be a lot of people playing school marm today heh)!  .....


On that note, wanna come to my wedding? 

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 4:20:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sirdontre

Ok the topic here is?
Well NOT about sex,a wedding, or what is what .

Can we stay on the topic of discussion here?



Given the fact that there are few events which speak more to ritual, protocol and traditions than sex (and how it relates to BDSM) and BDSM weddings, I would venture to say that those items are entirely on topic given the OP changed her question midstream and decided to include 'personal' traditions, rituals and protocols from a 'personal viewpoint'.

The only thing that is missing would be a funeral. As it is quite clear the OP has zero desire to hear from anyone other than a Master or Mistress, I won't include my own personal traditions, rituals and protocols or the knowledge I have of them and have experienced of them for the past 24 years.

I wish you well.

Celeste

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 4:23:02 PM   
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I would LOVE to attend a wedding featuring such a stunning woman as the bride!  Will your marriage include sex?

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 4:29:09 PM   
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Well, not much else has, thus far lol but I am hoping the whole 'rights of the Lord' thing with Lordandmaster will go well.. plus if we do have some sort of masquerade ball... well yanno any veneer of anonymity usually lets people get quite kinked out!  If not, I think smilezz is planning the bachlorette party so, though there will be no YMCA dancers allowed, it should be a good time!  ;)

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 4:34:58 PM   
puella


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I wouldn't take it to heart, Celeste.... she just can not take a (BDSM) slave's post back to the Gorean forum (from whence this OP was kidnapped) and use it as fodder to defend  and bolster her own position, which is contrary to Master Malkinius'...

However, it is a shame your post was cropped.  You offer a lot to both sides of the lash on these forums, even if we don't all always agree.

< Message edited by puella -- 7/11/2006 4:36:03 PM >

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 4:42:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: yourMissTress

While I don't have sex with every single person that I play with, there is definitely a sexual tension or chemistry involved.  There has to be for me.  Because while not every aspect of the lifestyle gets me wet, that's the main reason I'm here.  It's tied to my sexuality.  For me it's almost all about sex. 


I agree completely.  I used to be not about sex, but as I have come to enjoy the S&M more over the years, quite frankly, it turns me on.  For me, now, S&M is foreplay!

Carolsea

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 4:54:50 PM   
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Dear jezabelKH, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
May I submit for consideration the following thoughts based on what I have personally experienced and or witnessed.
 
History can be misleading on it's own merits.  We are all a part of history as we live life and when gone and forgotten, what we do here will remain in text and perhaps archives, thus creating history.  It is also fact that history of civilization as well as history of debauchery, long before the coined labels of BDSM surfaced to put into a short capsule as to what we do/practice and or enjoy on a consensual basis.
However, history also provides variety of the authority/submission to authority throughout history, in various areas, such as Imperial (Nobility), Military, Religion and or Civilian.  Everybody borrows something from these four foundation categories and influences individuals to practice their individual styles making it 'their own.'
 
The elements to which are similar, is the authority, the enforcement, the protocols, the code of behavior, different 'caste' or 'castle/house' systems, which are similiar to global nations and practices of their government, military, social rules and so forth.  What is similar to the Red Caste/Warrior sort, is no different than current militaries around the globe in the 'code of war/engagement/battle' and the 'military code of justice,' "Code of Bushudo" as well as the treatment of slaves, prisoners, captured civilians and so forth.  There is also in modern military structures around the globe where there is an International practice of structure, protocol, military justice, protocols on handling prisoners, civilians and or servants as well as handling 'leaders.'  Then it cascades down into the national/country's level and all the way down to states, commonwealths, etc.
 
Although there has been discussions that BDSM is not in Gorean culture and or practice, I politely disagree based on the bare elements.  These are supported as such, in my mind's eye;
Gorean's practice of 'high and low leasha,' "cuffing", hair (leash), the collar itself, 'blanket' and other forms of physical and or command 'invisible bondage,' such as "at Master's will," are elements to which BDSM as far as the "bondage" element goes and discipline, e.g. protocol, command and obedience, physical elements of bondage, e.g. cuffs, bindings and or invisible but, held by command/will.
 
Gorean's practices of maintaining the D/s structure through protocols, such as 'karta' and asking permission to leave the Master's space, permission to lap, kneeling in the "tower" position, the nadu position all have roots to prisoner and or slave control from civilizations past, placing prisoners and or slaves at a tactical disadvantage.  How slaves follow the Master, is most similar to Greco-Roman slave protocols as slaves followed the Master steps behind and off side.
 
Sadism and masochism is at times tough to proffer however, in BDSM circles tickling can be a form of torture.  In the the period of the Church's Inquisition, pulling the hair and twisting it was a form of torture, tearing hair and scalp off of women's head.  The long whip, other means of 'whips' and the slave goad, is no different from TENS and cattle prods and electric shock collars.  And, although the Gorean philosophy does petition that Free Men and or Jarls, Masters are to avoid hurting their slaves through the whip and such, the fact that it exists as a form of punishment has elements of S&M.
 
In my mind's eye it is a style that is seen more than a means to disqualify or to qualify any one 'style' available, as Gorean practices are similar to BDSM; just as European BDSM is similar to American BDSM and similar to other areas that practice BDSM.  To my mind's eye, it is more important to appreciate the common threads rather than the uncommon ones.  In general, such practices, regardless of the label worn and or style worn; the history of civilization gives a rich deposit of elements, tools used, protocols,etiquettes, bondage furniture, whips, rods, canes and single tails and or bull whips, the roles of authority and submission to authority, etc., just adds to the richness of the color to the tapestry of what we do and who we are.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 5:04:57 PM   
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TY.VERY WELL PLACED

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 5:38:53 PM   
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Dear jezabelKH, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I wish to submit for consideration to expand from BDSM and Gorean and into the Leathermen/Gay Leather, as to promote some appreciation for the similarities this big community has to offer.
 
Rituals/Custom/Ceremony.  All three practices rituals/ceremony and or customs, to which we go through a practice to which is easily recognized and holds meaning for each step, gesture and purpose.  From presenting a flogger, kneeling to petition for a collar, present position and or honor position, "pinning" ritual (running/vest pin), investiture of leathers, the wearing of the cover to honor a practice rooted in Rome, where free wore hats as to identify the difference between free or slave.  The kowtow, honor position, presentment, genuflect, obedience position and or obeisance and so very much more and to much to list.
 
Protocol.  A standard of behavior, etiquette, practice and or rules to which are followed.  This includes discipline, establishing the role and the acknowledgment of dominant and submissive behavior.  How an individual grows through the ranks and earns their title, respect, acknowledgment, earns 'their leathers' per se and lives such as to inspire others to behave in a similar manner.
 
Maintaining a dominant/submissive role.  Through the course of a scene, a relationship and responsibilities, with the exception of Switches, the elements of authority and submission to authority is established for that time be it short or lifetime.  Yet, it does not spill outside the relationship, as to cause others to give respect by force and or non-consent but, respect is given to the 'roles' people have chosen, regardless if Master/slave; Dominant/submissive, to which the role is gender, race, class and status neutral.  Switches commit to either role, depending on their partner(s) and again gender, race, class and or status neutral.
 
Promotion of education, safety, good conduct/manners/behavior, tolerance, compassion and community.  Each does this within their ranks and when the community joins.
 
Groups.  Be it International Tridents, DELTA, Highwaymen, MaST, MOD (Men of Discipline), SigMa, Iron Guard BC, GMSMA, Black Rose, CUFF, WHIP, there are also chapters, such as Tridents and such.  Each group is a gateway to those who wish to learn and experience, to take up the banner or be the next 'guard' per se.  Each group fills a need and if the need remains, support for such a group to be created to meet the needs are necessary.  Groups come to aid a larger need, such as funds for research, funds to help victims of fire, flood or theft.  It is a group but, it is also a community.  Nothing moves forward without community cooperation.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 6:01:07 PM   
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Lady Hugs,

Thank You so much for Your wonderfull contribution to the board. I enjoyed reading everything and feel very fortunate that You took the time to share it.

Sincerely,

jezabel{KH}
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Property Of Master Ken

p.s. W/we are members of MAsT, NLA, NCSF, and ALE (Advanced Leather Education) All are wonderful sources of information, cultures, differences and various lifestyle paths. W/we use to have two Dungeons here in Dallas, ID shut down but W/we still have The Sanctuary For Lifestyle Arts a beautifull 7,500 sq pt Private Dungeon which W/we have founding memberships in, again a great community resource as well. Speaking of community if You are ever in Dallas W/we have dinner at the club every Wednesday night and You are always welcome to stop in.

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RE: BDSM Masters and Mistresses someone needs truthfull... - 7/11/2006 6:01:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kedikat
I would not have My one call anyone else Master. I would explain this, and would think all decent folks involved could understand and respect each others ideas. Knowing respect was there on a level beyond mere words.



Well said. This subject comes up over and over again, and I have finally come up with an answer I am content with...

I will not use the term Master to refer to anyone, unless I have agreed that that is our relationship. I don't want to, I don't have to, and anyone who feels I should give up my belief system, in order to satisy their belief system, is not someone I care to interact with.

Kedikat is right, it's about respect, and I expect it, in return for giving it.

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