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ORIGINAL: Sanity

This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture.

The only tradition there is regarding "culture" is that it is always changing. I suppose you would like to go back to the "traditions" where those pesky wimmins and negros were't allowed to vote?

Ah, the good old traditions!

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture.

Wow. So, is this policy of strict non-assignment of gender at birth quite widespread your side of the pond, then? If so, how do you see it destroying American/traditional culture, exactly?

Again, a part of the overall effort. Words mean things...

And no, this particular aspect of said effort is not simply emanating from some fringe isolated individual

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/78606/

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking?

"Innie" or "outie?" Not really a difficult thing to determine at birth, is it? Gender certainly can be changed at a later date, but at birth, it's pretty much going to be obvious (there are exceptions).

Really? To you it all comes down to 'what's on the surface of an individual'? That's a pretty shallow view you hold....

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So if a person is of black skin color, they can not do as well as that of someone with white skin color?

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That a tall person can not ride as well as a midget?
A fat person can not government as well as a slim person?

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The topic here, is of the outlook of the individual's view of their sex. That for some people, what's on the outside is not a true determination of what's on the inside. In this day and age, its ok for people to show what is on the inside to the out without the out-right fear of persecution by the law, religious nuts, or mental prisons. The DSV-4 removed the notion that being homosexual was a mental disorder back in 1994, but the process of change had taken place as early as the 2nd edition in 1974. The DSM-5 was just published last month.
From what I understand of it, that changing one's gender in a physical sense becomes harder and harder as one grows older. There are many examples of individuals whom started as one gender but turned to the other early on and have led good, healthy lives. The only people I find that cant handle this concept are the bigots in the nation.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture.

Wow. So, is this policy of strict non-assignment of gender at birth quite widespread your side of the pond, then? If so, how do you see it destroying American/traditional culture, exactly?

Again, a part of the overall effort. Words mean things...
And no, this particular aspect of said effort is not simply emanating from some fringe isolated individual
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/78606/

From your link:
"In August of 2013, California Governor Jerry Brown passed bill AB 1266, giving transgender students the right to not only end sex discrimination, but use bathrooms and join sports teams that correspond with their gender identity. "
I'm really not seeing how a few TG students using this or that bathroom or joining one or another sports team is a threat to the American tradition, Sanity. These are minor things: even taken together, it's hard for me to grasp how they're a threat to anything very much at all. Could you explain, more precisely, the nature of this threat? How will the damage be caused, exactly?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture.

Wow. So, is this policy of strict non-assignment of gender at birth quite widespread your side of the pond, then? If so, how do you see it destroying American/traditional culture, exactly?

Again, a part of the overall effort. Words mean things...
And no, this particular aspect of said effort is not simply emanating from some fringe isolated individual
http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/78606/

From your link:
"In August of 2013, California Governor Jerry Brown passed bill AB 1266, giving transgender students the right to not only end sex discrimination, but use bathrooms and join sports teams that correspond with their gender identity. "
I'm really not seeing how a few TG students using this or that bathroom or joining one or another sports team is a threat to the American tradition, Sanity. These are minor things: even taken together, it's hard for me to grasp how they're a threat to anything very much at all. Could you explain, more precisely, the nature of this threat? How will the damage be caused, exactly?

How do we determine what one's "gender identity" is? Is it simply what the person says it is? Is that fluid? Should it be fluid? While it's not a guarantee, sports performance relying on speed, strength and agility tend to favor males. Could a male athlete take a shortcut to success and claim a female "gender identity" so as to compete against females rather than males? Isn't that inherently unfair to the female athlete?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking?

"Innie" or "outie?" Not really a difficult thing to determine at birth, is it? Gender certainly can be changed at a later date, but at birth, it's pretty much going to be obvious (there are exceptions).

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From your link:

"In August of 2013, California Governor Jerry Brown passed bill AB 1266, giving transgender students the right to not only end sex discrimination, but use bathrooms and join sports teams that correspond with their gender identity. "

I'm really not seeing how a few TG students using this or that bathroom or joining one or another sports team is a threat to the American tradition, Sanity. These are minor things: even taken together, it's hard for me to grasp how they're a threat to anything very much at all. Could you explain, more precisely, the nature of this threat? How will the damage be caused, exactly?

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The way it's been proposed, it seems that anyone can use any restroom or shower etc

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I remember going to the University of Heidelberg (for parties, not for school) and they had 'unisex bathrooms' and that was the 70's.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I remember going to the University of Heidelberg (for parties, not for school) and they had 'unisex bathrooms' and that was the 70's.

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Different cultures, OI?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Because this isn't about political correctness. This is a part of the overall effort to destroy American / traditional culture.
Political correctness is more, looking the other way while it happens.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Yep. I've got to say: I don't give a flying one if females come into the male toilets.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
How do we determine what one's "gender identity" is? Is it simply what the person says it is? Is that fluid? Should it be fluid? While it's not a guarantee, sports performance relying on speed, strength and agility tend to favor males. Could a male athlete take a shortcut to success and claim a female "gender identity" so as to compete against females rather than males? Isn't that inherently unfair to the female athlete?

The male athlete would have to convince a psychologist the he actually had gender dysphoria which is not easy for kids who actually have it. And how many guys do you think would be willing to live their life as a girl just to run track against the girls?

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Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Why not hold off assigning gender to newborns until they pick it themselves? What's the harm in that? Beyond the fact that it offends your rigid way of thinking?

"Innie" or "outie?" Not really a difficult thing to determine at birth, is it? Gender certainly can be changed at a later date, but at birth, it's pretty much going to be obvious (there are exceptions).

The question is why assign gender to newborns at all? There is absolutely no reason to do so. If we raised all children gender neutral until they expressed their own gender preference that would do no harm to the vast bulk of kids who are born where the biology matches the brain. But for those kids where there is a mismatch not forcing the kid into the wrong gender would save a great deal of psychological harm.

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