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kinksterparty -> RE: Sub-Space (7/22/2014 3:29:17 PM)

Hm, well, if IMGUR is disabled, let's try Tiikoni.

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uwannabemyslave -> RE: Sub-Space (7/29/2014 2:37:18 PM)

I don't know whether you have gotten an answer to your question yet, so let me explain, based on my experience.

First of all sub-space is a psychological condition that you, as a Dom/Master can literally put your sub/slave into. The trick is finding her trigger. The most common way is to find the G-spot or clit, and rub it until she is on the verge of passing out. But, there are many other ways. Very hard impact play and whipping may work. I had a slave once who went into sub-space by using needles, pins, skewers, and nails. I kept another slave in sub-space for 5 hours by just rubbing her G-spot.

I'm sure you have heard the term "being on cloud 9). My favorite slave described it as being on cloud 29. So far out there, that she lost all sense of reality.

How will you know? Not to sound trite, but you will know. She will drift off into a trance-like state and probably not know you are doing this to her. The very key point is that you bring her back carefully and the after-care you give her will sure help.

I hope this clears up some questions you had.

Sir James



orgasmdenial12 -> RE: Sub-Space (7/31/2014 1:39:04 AM)

I don't really experience it very deeply. To me it is like a runner's high (if you have ever experienced that). I feel stronger, more able to take pain, I feel a sense of stamina and the unpleasant experience transcends into a pleasurable one. Whatever I am doing feels / seems easy so longer experiences seem like shorter experiences. It's often accompanied by a mild feeling of euphoria.

After-effects - food tastes *amazing*, colours seem very vivid and I sometimes fall asleep. Perfect aftercare for me is to leave me cuffed and blindfolded for approx thirty minutes, then come and untie me and bring me a cup of tea. I'm not really into lots of cuddling or attention, I like to be left alone.

A lot of so-called subspace is wildly exaggerated and I snigger to myself when I read it. If it reads like fantastic hyperbole then it probably is. There's also the placebo / psychosomatic / power of suggestion effect. If people believe they're going to experience such an effect, then they often do, but this would be down to the individual and how impressionable they are in general.



DarkSteven -> RE: Sub-Space (7/31/2014 2:13:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: uwannabemyslave

I don't know whether you have gotten an answer to your question yet, so let me explain, based on my experience.

First of all sub-space is a psychological condition that you, as a Dom/Master can literally put your sub/slave into. The trick is finding her trigger. The most common way is to find the G-spot or clit, and rub it until she is on the verge of passing out. But, there are many other ways. Very hard impact play and whipping may work. I had a slave once who went into sub-space by using needles, pins, skewers, and nails. I kept another slave in sub-space for 5 hours by just rubbing her G-spot.

I'm sure you have heard the term "being on cloud 9). My favorite slave described it as being on cloud 29. So far out there, that she lost all sense of reality.

How will you know? Not to sound trite, but you will know. She will drift off into a trance-like state and probably not know you are doing this to her. The very key point is that you bring her back carefully and the after-care you give her will sure help.

I hope this clears up some questions you had.

Sir James


My method is through impact play. I start off with gentle flogging, and then move into leather straps. I increase intensity, and then move to more hardcore things - tawses, canes, etc., and pretty much give my sub as much as she can take just prior to safewording. Then I back off and go to hard flogging followed by softer flogging. The combination of easing off intensity puts her in a bit of subspace, and the rhythm of flogging also helps put her under.

Five HOURS? Sheesh....

As far as how to know, the first time I put a woman into subspace, I asked her, "Now, I'm going to be flogging you. I want you to tell me how much pain you feel. Use a number between 1 and 10, with 10 being the most pain you can take." Her response was, IIRC, "urmmmmurmmmf." In other words, when a woman's in subspace, she disconnects. She becomes incapable of giving or withdrawing consent. Any play at that point should be maintaining a current or previous activity at previous or reduced intensity.



InHisHeart -> RE: Sub-Space (7/31/2014 5:20:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

A lot of so-called subspace is wildly exaggerated and I snigger to myself when I read it. If it reads like fantastic hyperbole then it probably is. There's also the placebo / psychosomatic / power of suggestion effect. If people believe they're going to experience such an effect, then they often do, but this would be down to the individual and how impressionable they are in general.


I can't speak for others but I know when I talk of me being in subspace it's not wildly exaggerated. The first time I entered subspace was many years ago with my former Dom/husband. At that time I didn't even know or have an understanding of what subspace was. I didn't try to get there, he didn't try to get me there, it just happened.

When I came down from it, it scared the hell out of me because I realized how out of reality and vulnerable I became during. The fear wasn't towards him or what he could have done because I trusted him with my whole being but the fear was knowing that I lost all my rational thinking and all control over the situation by not having the sense to stop it if I needed to. When I first started experiencing subspace, coming down from it was triggering to me so I would try to prevent it from happening. I was very scared and uncomfortable afterwards knowing how out of it I get but I liked being in it, just didn't like the feelings I got afterwards so I worked on getting rid of the negative aftereffects and was finally able to embrace the whole experience.

As for power of suggestion, we don't play with the intent of me going into it. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't but it's not a goal with either of us trying to make it happen.



PonyGroom -> RE: Sub-Space (7/31/2014 8:30:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge
1. What is sub-space and what is the experience like?


The way I experience sub-space is a loss of presence, loss of time, and when I come back I feel refreshed. This is also what my partner Lyndsey reports. However, there are many varieties of experience under the Sub Space banner.

There is pre-shock, which is something you can find described on the internet without the label "sub space". You can get there via SM.

There is Flow, which, like pre-shock, also has a definition and explanation that has nothing to do with SM, D/s or bondage.

There is Trance, and varieties of trance. Same thing there.

And there are others.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
2. How is a dominant to know when the submissive is experiencing it and are there guidelines (suggestions) of what to do and what not to do?


I look for dilation of pupils, increased heart rate, sweating, mumbling or slurred speech, and other physical signs. I try NOT to "feel it", but instead rely on things I can see, hear, or otherwise sense. Probably the easiest for me is "she has that look in her eye".

Sometimes when paddling I play a game where I require audible feedback. Please Sir may I have another is my cue to deliver the next blow to her ass. If she goes off into pre-shock, or trance, I stop until she comes back to me. She can't speak and ask unless she is "here".

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
3. How do you balance safety and letting your submissive drift into sub-space?


Well again, referring to the paddling scene and my requirement that she ask for it blow by blow, I stop when I cannot get feedback. I never hit her while she is in the trance or other sub-space like state.

Another style is to do some sort of impact play rhythmically so that she slips into "space", then once there, I continue to hit her at slightly less intensity and speed so that she stays there. If I stop, she will drift back out. The longer she stays in, the more time it will likely take for her to recover.

Safety is twofold.

For the sake of physical safety, I hit her no harder while she is away than I hit her while she was present.

For the sake of mental safety, I have to limit how long she is gone and how deep she gets. When she comes back from a longer and deeper session, her aftercare needs are different. It can take days to fully recover from a sufficiently intense session.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
4. I am normally interactive with my slut when we are playing. Is it better to maintain that interaction (I mainly am doing it to monitor her safety) or to not interfere? If it is better not to interfere, what is the best way to monitor her safety without causing her to come out of it?


Just watch her.

I like the way you think. These are excellent questions.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
5. I am very attentive to her after we are finished, touching her and reassuring her, she told me that this makes her feel very safe and secure. Is there anything more that I need to do for aftercare?


Aftercare needs are very personal and vary widely. This question is something only she can answer.

Except, she might not know to ask for a couple of things she might need. So, a couple of suggestions you might want to talk over with her.

1. What does she need from you the next day?
2. How is her blood sugar in the hour right after play ends? Have you tried chocolate, or meat snacks, or cheese? Everyone is different, of course, but the right nutritional boost might alter her mood for the better.






PonyGroom -> RE: Sub-Space (7/31/2014 8:36:11 AM)

In my profile pic, Lyndsey is the pony. We are at Fetishcon. She is in a trance. She does not remember this photo being taken. She does not remember the woman in the seat. While in this trance, she gave rides around the vendor floor and down the halls. She carried porn stars and guests, and me. This session lasted about 90 minutes. When she came out, she was very thirsty and rather out of it, drifty, for fifteen minutes or so. She could talk, but did not have a lot to say. Very compliant mood. Made some baby talk. Goo goo gaa gaa.

She calls it pony space, or "pony head space".

Aftercare for her pony head space is mostly about water, sitting down, and being brushed. There is no down time the next day. She recovers in minutees and often wants to go again.



GoddessManko -> RE: Sub-Space (7/31/2014 10:14:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

I am admitting my ignorance about sub-space and the fact that I simply want to understand it by interaction on the forums rather than read the likely hundreds of threads about it because I am certain that I will have questions.

My slut and I were discussing what it is that she experiences during our play time. From what I know about sub-space., what she described to me sounded like she was experiencing it. She told me that she sometimes goes somewhere else inside of her head, she also tells me that she often experiences a period of lost time. For example, the other evening we were playing and she had asked me if she fell asleep... (don't bust my balls about being a boring fucker although the temptation is there... I know) when she asked me I told her I was pretty certain she didn't because her body language didn't indicate she had and since she was kneeling, had she drifted off to sleep, from her position, she would have shown some sign. So, my questions are many:

1. What is sub-space and what is the experience like?

2. How is a dominant to know when the submissive is experiencing it and are there guidelines (suggestions) of what to do and what not to do?

3. How do you balance safety and letting your submissive drift into sub-space?

4. I am normally interactive with my slut when we are playing. Is it better to maintain that interaction (I mainly am doing it to monitor her safety) or to not interfere? If it is better not to interfere, what is the best way to monitor her safety without causing her to come out of it?

5. I am very attentive to her after we are finished, touching her and reassuring her, she told me that this makes her feel very safe and secure. Is there anything more that I need to do for aftercare?

OK, I will start with those questions. This is an area where my experience is lacking and I want to give her the very best I can give her because she deserves it. I want her to be able to enjoy every aspect of our play and if she is experiencing sub-space, I want her to truly be taken as far as she is able to go, and as far as I am able to take her.

Thank you in advance for your responses.


Gauge! How cool you're the OP as I enjoy many of your entries. I did address the issue of subspace on another thread about it here: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4656248/mpage_1/tm.htm

I will add that though I don't know what subspace feels like, I know what D space feels like and subspace looks like. D space is sort of a heady feeling, yes, like being punch drunk, for me personally, my face tingles as though I just rode a rollercoaster and adrenaline is pumping, it's intoxicating. I lose awareness of time and I'm completely overtaken by my sub and the scene and that's all, there's nothing else. For a sub, they have this glaze look in their eyes, it's very nice, there's a great amount of inhibition breakdown and they are willing to do almost anything to keep the scene going.
Communicating less would probably be a part of it as well as element of surprise. That is tough as a very nurturing D because you have to only rely on observation and possibly very subtle responses, doing this for the first time, I wouldn't recommend going all the way as her responses may differ to your usual scenes once you switch things up. Once she's comfortable with your little surprises like lack of communication then I would think all the sensory deprivation and such can come into play to allow herself to completely submerge herself into the scene and trust you. It definitely takes either trust or guts to allow a D to have such an approach, and for your slut, might be outside her comfort zone initially, but experimenting is always good. :)
It's how you have those ah-hah moments.
Best of luck and hope I was at least some help, The link has at least 8 reasons I listed to sweet young shifty as to why she had never experienced subspace.



PainSlutSM -> RE: Sub-Space (9/13/2014 7:19:00 PM)

Well I'll start with the format you provided.

1) Sub space is basically you entering a different place, I think the deep depths of our mind and/or consciousness that helps us feel things that pain and pleasure us and how they connect together to bring us to that space or place.

2) From what I remember, when I was in sub space...I wasn't really there. I would slowly muble or trail off, pretty much as if you're high or falling asleep. (yes I think I've fallen asleep or almost). What to do: make your partner feel at ease; don't force it upon them to automatically enter it, because it's something you slowly go into and they can get pretty badly hurt.

3) From what I can recall they always asked me if I was still there; count with them, use the colour code, numbers, safety words, etc. and they may be delayed and slowly drift off, but I don't think that's a bad thing. At one point I remember just laying there while the world kept on moving and my restraints were taken off me.

4) I'm really not sure there. I can't tell you, I'm not a Dominant.

5) That's very good. Maybe just do what you're doing and talk about the experience? What was fun and what wasn't, etc. Also depending on what you're doing help with the bruising or welts, or make them worse ;)

Hope I helped somehow.



muttmichael -> RE: Sub-Space (9/17/2014 11:28:36 AM)

its only happen to me 2 times, one was at a fetish event with a Mistress late at night on a stage, i crawled and kissed Her boots, and She and I to me my mind where the only two in the room, not all the people that really there

the other was Goddess Miki during a photo shoot for her..that was fun.
do not hink this will happen every time or all the...when it happens you will know



RockaRolla -> RE: Sub-Space (9/18/2014 9:15:24 AM)

I think the closest I've come to being in sub-space was during a particularly rowdy scene in which my friend was trying to top me and I kept struggling. Once we got to a particular sex position I got into a different headspace, was in my "happy place" and had no interest in fighting back. That said, I was well aware of what was happening, had no illusions of losing time or checking out. So whether that was actually subspace for me and I just process it differently, or it wasn't and that was just as close as my mind would dare go, is unknown.

Subspace as it's often described scares me in a way, because I don't want to be in that vulnerable of a position with someone else topping me. Even when I'm tied up and spanked/flogged/whatever, I've always been able to communicate and get out if needed. But because I'm only ever playing/having sex with someone when the trust and honesty is there, it realistically shouldn't be a problem.



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Sub-Space (9/18/2014 2:46:00 PM)

Daddy knows i have gone to space cuz i sound drunk and far away and dreamy. It's a release of endorphins, and i like continued sensation but i probably won't be responding in a way th ey want , iam just a melted puddle of happily moaning bliss.

After.care i usually want tucked in with a stuffed toy aand a nap



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Sub-Space (9/18/2014 5:19:03 PM)

Oh yee, and my eys dilate too. And i have a very spaced out look.



flutterby55 -> RE: Sub-Space (9/20/2014 1:29:52 AM)

Me too, I'm only able to murmur a few words if Master is talking to me, then I drift off to sleep.



flutterby55 -> RE: Sub-Space (9/20/2014 1:40:47 AM)

Sweet Amber, it's much the same for me, I am spaced out so cuddling and assurance I am a good sub go a long way toward comfort.



DerangedUnit -> RE: Sub-Space (9/20/2014 1:43:27 AM)

never experienced it, though being too aware i dont really let that happen, being in control of my facilties is something ive needed in the past. i can have the bajeebus beaten out of me and refresh back to what i was saying right befire it happened 30 seconds later.... on the flip side i have cum so many times i forgot how to count for that 30 seconds... but that had nothing to do with submission just some damn good masterbation.



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