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TheHeretic -> Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/24/2014 9:21:37 PM)
Our social safety net in the United States is a mess. Paul Ryan (you might remember him from the Democrat campaign ad that showed "him" pushing an old woman in a wheelchair off a cliff) is still ignoring the slings and arrows to push for government programs that work better, and waste less. At the link is a synopsis of his proposal to allow up to 11 states to create pilot programs that would combine existing program funding and see if they can provide a whole lot more bang for the buck. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/23/paul-ryan-an-opportunity-to-cut-poverty/13069345/ I think it is a great idea.

DomKen -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/24/2014 10:04:11 PM)
The problem is all the strings he would attach, time limits, very specific work requirements, and so on, in addition to the existing restrictions. I think block grants would be a good idea for states that want to try novel ideas but those ideas could take time to implement ( for instance sending welfare moms back to high school) that would interfere with stringent work requirements.

TheHeretic -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/24/2014 10:16:30 PM)
Well, Ken, things you have chosen to share previously lead me to believe you are more familiar with long-term programs, rather than TANF which would be the central program tinkered with here, so you might not be aware that time limits and work requirements have been part of the system since the '96 reforms. Now, if I get a chance to get in on this (and it's not outside the realm of possibility if things break right in November) there are certainly some loopholes in those rules that could be tightened up. Getting TANF and Section 8 under the same roof is something I would heartily endorse. We also absolutely need to get some time limits into Section 8 for able-bodied participants, and eradicate the provision that allows those vouchers to be inherited.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/24/2014 10:48:03 PM)
The problem with this idea is that this is Ryan talking - so we can safely presume this is another of his endless schemes to dismantle the safety net once and for all. It's a non-starter on that basis alone. [sm=bury.gif]

TheHeretic -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/24/2014 11:03:17 PM)
What was that, DNAV? Maybe spit out the President's balls and try saying it again? Or maybe you just like failed programs that keep people in poverty, so they will reliably vote for the people who manipulate them with such cruelty?

DomKen -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 2:40:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well, Ken, things you have chosen to share previously lead me to believe you are more familiar with long-term programs, rather than TANF which would be the central program tinkered with here, so you might not be aware that time limits and work requirements have been part of the system since the '96 reforms. Now, if I get a chance to get in on this (and it's not outside the realm of possibility if things break right in November) there are certainly some loopholes in those rules that could be tightened up. Getting TANF and Section 8 under the same roof is something I would heartily endorse. We also absolutely need to get some time limits into Section 8 for able-bodied participants, and eradicate the provision that allows those vouchers to be inherited. We get it. You really dislike poor people.

Lucylastic -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 4:31:38 AM)
and if they cant come up with programs to work better than the overlapping ones, (by now) who suffers in the mean time, people cut off, people losing benefits they rely on, people kicked off/denied until they find a way to work it out. Yanno like all the people denied their benefits when the drug testing programmes were started, only to find how many out of how many people were actually kicked off?1%??? denying someones benefits for two weeks, let alone months is inhuman...ryan, has been on a "year" long fact finding mission to find out about poverty, its a shame he relied on that "anti poverty expert" of his. A year actually spent in poverty would have been a better lesson. His budgets wanting and actually slashing money to poor people is now .....wanting to help? yeah, i was born at night, but it wasnt last night. no doubt he is the rights only true hope of salvation...SNORTS

Musicmystery -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 4:33:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Our social safety net in the United States is a mess. Paul Ryan (you might remember him from the Democrat campaign ad that showed "him" pushing an old woman in a wheelchair off a cliff) is still ignoring the slings and arrows to push for government programs that work better, and waste less. At the link is a synopsis of his proposal to allow up to 11 states to create pilot programs that would combine existing program funding and see if they can provide a whole lot more bang for the buck. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/23/paul-ryan-an-opportunity-to-cut-poverty/13069345/ I think it is a great idea. There's no Ryan Plan, and never has been. There's a medicare elimination plan...with magical thinking to take its place.

thishereboi -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 5:03:41 AM)
It's not a bad idea and it might even work, but the left will never agree because a republican said it and we all know how evil they are.

thishereboi -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 5:06:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well, Ken, things you have chosen to share previously lead me to believe you are more familiar with long-term programs, rather than TANF which would be the central program tinkered with here, so you might not be aware that time limits and work requirements have been part of the system since the '96 reforms. Now, if I get a chance to get in on this (and it's not outside the realm of possibility if things break right in November) there are certainly some loopholes in those rules that could be tightened up. Getting TANF and Section 8 under the same roof is something I would heartily endorse. We also absolutely need to get some time limits into Section 8 for able-bodied participants, and eradicate the provision that allows those vouchers to be inherited. We get it. You really dislike poor people. So tell us the truth, do you really have such poor reading comprehension that you think that's what he said or are you just so fond of lying that you can't help yourself? Inquiring minds and all...

Lucylastic -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 5:09:07 AM)
oh derp...this is paul ryan we are talking about, its not much different to what he talked about before and he has a reputation for budget slashing that even his own party disagree with.

Musicmystery -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 5:25:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi It's not a bad idea and it might even work, but the left will never agree because a republican said it and we all know how evil they are. We went through this in NY with Pataki's "Empire Zones." You guessed it . . . the money in the end went to cronies and their projects. But if you're making the point that given Paul Ryan's record of economic lies, bullshit, and fantasies that I just automatically don't trust him -- you're right. The trouble with your "evil republican" snark is that since they started rubber stamping Bush II, voters can never be sure whether they're supporting a person or another stamp. And yes, the tea contingent is bat shit crazy economically. And dangerous.

hot4bondage -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 5:47:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic oh derp...this is paul ryan we are talking about, its not much different to what he talked about before and he has a reputation for budget slashing that even his own party disagree with. If taking 30 years to balance the budget is extreme, what's reasonable? 60 years? 90?

Lucylastic -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 5:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic oh derp...this is paul ryan we are talking about, its not much different to what he talked about before and he has a reputation for budget slashing that even his own party disagree with. If taking 30 years to balance the budget is extreme, what's reasonable? 60 years? 90? amazing that its only been in the past five years that this has been important to republicans/tea parties and that its the poor that have to pay the price. oh no, its not amazing....it is hypocrisy and unadulterated hatred disguised as fiscal AND social conservative mores.

TheHeretic -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 6:02:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen We get it. You really dislike poor people. Nope. I did really dislike being poor, though.

Musicmystery -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 6:07:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hot4bondage quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic oh derp...this is paul ryan we are talking about, its not much different to what he talked about before and he has a reputation for budget slashing that even his own party disagree with. If taking 30 years to balance the budget is extreme, what's reasonable? 60 years? 90? Well, not trashing the surplus set up and then adding long term structural deficits would have been a good start in 2001.

TheHeretic -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 6:35:21 AM)
Well kiddies, I need to get ready for work. Y'all have a lovely day. The forecast is for a hundred and fuck all weekend long, so I'm sure I'll be back.

cloudboy -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 6:42:58 AM)
quote: There's no Ryan Plan, and never has been. There's a medicare elimination plan...with magical thinking to take its place. It that what it is?

kinksterparty -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 6:55:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic What was that, DNAV? Maybe spit out the President's balls and try saying it again? Or maybe you just like failed programs that keep people in poverty, so they will reliably vote for the people who manipulate them with such cruelty? AHAHA BRILLIANT! "Spit out the President's balls". Love it.

mnottertail -> RE: Paul Ryan: An opportunity to cut poverty (7/25/2014 7:05:58 AM)
Well, if one were to try that plan, I believe the pilot programs should be coming from the least impoverished 11 states. Since it looks to me like there are states that need to be told how it should be done. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate Go with the winners, not the losers.

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