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slaveashtaylor -> remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 2:16:40 PM)

my Master introduced me to the lifestyle about 3 1/2 to 4 months ago. im usually a good slave girl, sometimes i just forget my place. i try not to, but i dont mean to sometimes. any suggestions that could help me stay in the right mind set? i hate upsetting Master




mnottertail -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 2:21:17 PM)

Library. Book. Mindfulness. Read. Close. Live.


http://www.amazon.com/Mindfulness-Plain-English-Anniversary-Edition/dp/0861719069/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1407446442&sr=8-2&keywords=mindfulness





Maybeher -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 2:37:35 PM)

Try reading your rules. Also make sure you are actually forgetting your place and not just speaking your mind and him getting upset.
If you two are real time, a slap in the mouth may be a quick fix in private. Or quiet time kneeling.
Back in grade school a teacher told me something simple that has helped in my service. "think before you speak" ask yourself how will master take what I'm about to say and alter it to respectfully convey your point or feelings.
Also, conquer me is a good book to start with.




DarkSteven -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 2:40:48 PM)

No offense intended to your relationship, but usually submissives in new relationships need some time before they're ready for full slavery. Since this is your first non-vanilla relationship, expecting full slavery after four months is IMO unrealistic.

That said, what do you mean by "forgetting your place"?




slaveashtaylor -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 2:54:58 PM)

thank you maybeher! that could help. i should practice thinking before i speak.

and i knew the rules when i got into the relationship, my Master was very clear to me, and made sure i wasnt confused, and sometimes still checks me. so what i mean by act out of place is that i pitch a fit or question him, which i know is unexeptable. its like if hes not hard on me i push the limits as to my attitude, and what i say




HeartAndSoul31 -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 4:32:32 PM)

Do as I did. Tell him to kiss your ass.
And show him the door.
I really don't recommend that if you want to keep him. But it was just a thought.




BecomingV -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 5:16:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

No offense intended to your relationship, but usually submissives in new relationships need some time before they're ready for full slavery. Since this is your first non-vanilla relationship, expecting full slavery after four months is IMO unrealistic.

That said, what do you mean by "forgetting your place"?


Yes, THIS ^^^

To anyone... I performed a search but couldn't find it... Does anyone remember reading about the psychology of resistance in BDSM slaves? In a nutshell, it said that the path from vanilla to BDSM slave is NOT linear. When a person transforms to that depth, it takes a very long time and it's much like, one step forward, two steps back. Experienced Masters see when this happens and can help the slave deepen their submission by connecting what triggered the need to assert or rebel, with the behavior which reflects it.

So, in this view of BDSM slavery, it's an ongoing process and it takes TWO.

ETA - Not every "Master" is going to be upset by human failing (assuming commitment and sincere effort are involved). Some Masters enjoy teaching and training. Some Masters don't have a clue. It's important to know what a person means, specifically, when they use the title, "Master."




pussycatpussycat -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/7/2014 6:59:09 PM)

How do you know that you're a slave...you're only 20 for goodness sake! Are you a slave because your Master has told you that you're one or because of some other reason? Maybe you should ask yourself why you are questioning him and 'pitching a fit'?
To become someone sub or slave takes a lot of time and trust....you have only been seeing him for a short while, how well do you actually know him....maybe thats why you are questioning him...because you're not sure about anything as yet.
You have your whole life ahead of you.....you dont need to rush into being someones slave....just take it slow, make sure its what YOU want.
If your Master is getting upset with you for questioning him, then it doesnt sound as though he is being very patient which is a big requirement for a Dom/Master.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/8/2014 1:32:23 AM)

I might have some insight here. I started my first D/s relationship with my now-husband when I was 19. It also happened to be my first real adult relationship (as in living together, paying bills etc). So I think I understand a bit of how conflicted you might be feeling and the problems you are having.

To be honest, I was a bit of a nightmare. I was emotionally up and down as I tried to work out how this fitted with my ideas of how a woman should be and what I wanted from life. I made things much worse by having totally unrealistic expectations of myself. He was a little wiser, but in retrospect also a bit naive about how much time and work it would take to set up a Master/slave dynamic.

DarkSteven is right - 4 months is not very long to become someone's slave. In a vanilla relationship, four months is barely past the point where you might say 'I think we have something that could go long term'. To have already made that commitment to each other, with the additional complications of submission - well, that's fast moving. Of course you're going to chafe under his rule.

Add to that (and I know you won't like me saying this) you are really, really young. At 20 you are barely an adult. I promise you will be a very different person five years from now. You are still figuring out who you are and where your place is in the adult world. You are still getting used to more adult relationships with real responsibilities and pressures. Most people don't stay with the same boyfriend they had when they were 20.

Even when both parties are a bit older, both have been into D/s for a long time and done a lot of soul searching to work out what they need it's hard to figure out exactly how they will work together. It takes communication and compromise. You have the extra difficulty of youth and newness. I know, because I have been there. I bought into the fantasy stories about how it should be and surprisingly, real life didn't work out like that. So I got mad at myself and at him, and changed my mind about what I needed and so on...

So my advice for making it work:

- Forget about any ideas of how things 'should' be. Other people's ideas about D/s aren't relevant. Porn and erotica are not realistic. There is no secret society that will deem you 'not a real sub' if you don't do things the right way. All that matters is that it is working for both of you.
- Related to that, bear in mind that your own ideas about D/s might also need to change. Maybe you imagined that you'd have the house spotless every night but it turns out with work and school you just don't have the time and he has to take on some chores - that's fine. Maybe you turn out not to enjoy that hard caning you fantasised about. Fine. Things can be different without being worse.
- Talk to each other. All the time. Whenever you change a rule. Whenever you don't understand or are feeling unhappy. After you play (assuming you do). I don't see anything wrong with questioning an order, if needs be. Tell him what makes you feel good or bad, what worries you, and what you think would help. Listen when he does the same.
- Be a team. Don't keep score. Don't be petty with each other or sulk or deliberately make things hard on each other. Think of yourselves as one team, working together to make things work. That means sometimes one of you will pick up slack for the other, and you will both compromise.
- Take your time. If something isn't working, ease off. There's no prize for getting to ultimate mindless slave status faster than someone else.
- Stand firm on your dealbreakers. If something is a 'must have' for him and a 'no way in hell' for you, then consider walking away. Compromise over small things is healthy. Never compromise your safety or your core beliefs. Don't let yourself be manipulated into a situation which makes you miserable because that's what a slave has to put up with. You are first and foremost a human being and you deserve to feel valued and secure. If someone doesn't listen to you, breaks your limits, pressures you until you feel you have no choice but to agree, or ignores your needs - LEAVE. So many new submissives let themselves be mistreated in the name of being a better slave and they regret it forever.

That said - pitch a fit? Come on, you're 20, not 2. Sulking and tantruming should be long behind you. If you want to be in an adult relationship, you need to act like one. Maybe if you have problems controlling your emotions you need to have a 'time out' clause which allows you half an hour to go for a walk and get it under control so you can tackle the situation like a grown up.




SweetAmber32 -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/8/2014 12:31:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BecomingV

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

No offense intended to your relationship, but usually submissives in new relationships need some time before they're ready for full slavery. Since this is your first non-vanilla relationship, expecting full slavery after four months is IMO unrealistic.

That said, what do you mean by "forgetting your place"?


Yes, THIS ^^^

To anyone... I performed a search but couldn't find it... Does anyone remember reading about the psychology of resistance in BDSM slaves? In a nutshell, it said that the path from vanilla to BDSM slave is NOT linear. When a person transforms to that depth, it takes a very long time and it's much like, one step forward, two steps back. Experienced Masters see when this happens and can help the slave deepen their submission by connecting what triggered the need to assert or rebel, with the behavior which reflects it.

So, in this view of BDSM slavery, it's an ongoing process and it takes TWO.

ETA - Not every "Master" is going to be upset by human failing (assuming commitment and sincere effort are involved). Some Masters enjoy teaching and training. Some Masters don't have a clue. It's important to know what a person means, specifically, when they use the title, "Master."


And I double, "Yes, THIS^^^." And I'll add, climb too high too fast, and you'll fall, very hard.




DesFIP -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/9/2014 7:30:39 PM)

Giving someone a list of rules on day one is setting her up for failure. Apparently your dominant does not know anything about how people learn and what is required to form new habits.

No more than one rule a week and that is too much for most people.

Assuming you only see him on the weekends, and you spend the rest of the week speaking frankly, then it should take the better part of six months to remember to say "if you wish, master" or whatever phrase he wants. Because if you do something multiple times a day, every single day, it will take a minimum of a month before it becomes a habit.

He is being totally unrealistic and the result of this is that you are disheartened. Keep going on in this path and you will give up trying as it will have been made clear to you that you'll never be good enough. I suggest talking honestly with him and asking him if this is what he wants.




catize -> RE: remembering my place as a slave (8/12/2014 5:11:02 AM)

What does remembering your place even mean?
If remembering your place means you are never to speak your mind or have a bad day, or are not allowed to question his choices, then I'd say your 'master' has forgotten his place. To my way of thinking a master helps his slave achieve success.




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