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TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/10/2014 9:40:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Palin is a nut job. Well, duh. So are a lot of the people with an R by their name that the media make famous, and Dems make a killing in their fundraising on. Guess what? Barack Obama is a nut job too, even if you are still in denial about it. How's all that magical thinking working out for him? Well, he seems to be hiding out on golf courses, and giving petulant little campaign speeches, while his little shitbags run around shrieking "racist" at the 60% of the country who see him for the empty suit and empty words he is.

joether -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/10/2014 9:48:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Palin is a nut job. Well, duh. So are a lot of the people with an R by their name that the media make famous, and Dems make a killing in their fundraising on. Guess what? Barack Obama is a nut job too, even if you are still in denial about it. How's all that magical thinking working out for him? Well, he seems to be hiding out on golf courses, and giving petulant little campaign speeches, while his little shitbags run around shrieking "racist" at the 60% of the country who see him for the empty suit and empty words he is. 60%, eh? Try 12%.... The other 18% of conservatives in the nation, while not 'out right' racists, are borderline. Frankly, Congress's inability to accomplish anything useful for America is NOT the President's problem. While his ability to accomplish things is reduces due to Congress, he's not sporting a 5% approval rating. Likewise, the 'Part of No', and 'Obstruction Party' didn't just come up as fancy attack ads, but due to the history of one party's actions/words on just about every subject matter. After the first 3-5 attempts to defund the Affordable Care Act, one would think Republican/Tea Partiers would 'get the clue'. After 10-14 attempts, you would think maybe, just maybe, one of them would have grown a brain and used it. When they send bills to the Senate they KNOW, before the House vote, would never get into law; why waste the taxpayer dollars doing the actions? Because the GOP/TP is not trying to appeal to liberals, moderates, Democrats, intelligent/wise individuals; but to 'The Low Information Voter', the types that not only cant think for themselves, but need to be told what to think.

TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/10/2014 10:10:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether I don't read the Drudge Report Nope. You study that shit, yet still manage to miss the fact that it is an aggregate site, on an internet that is full of them. Are you even intelligent enough to know you are practicing straight from the book Alinsky, by trying to put his name on any opinion you disagree with? Could you even name the book I'm talking about? I don't hit his site, so I have no idea what Drudge is linking to. Personally, I like RealClearPolitics as a convenient place to surf opinion with my coffee. They offer a nice range, and even update around lunchtime, if I'm out for a smoke at work. Try as hard as you can to get this through your head, Joether. When I offer my thoughts on this forum, you are getting a dose of unvarnished me. And completely unrelated to anything political, if anybody wants a bug, fun, summer action movie, go catch Guardians of the Galaxy. Great ride. (Except for Glenn Close - she fucking sucks)

Musicmystery -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/10/2014 10:28:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Palin is a nut job. Well, duh. So are a lot of the people with an R by their name that the media make famous, and Dems make a killing in their fundraising on. Guess what? Barack Obama is a nut job too, even if you are still in denial about it. How's all that magical thinking working out for him? Well, he seems to be hiding out on golf courses, and giving petulant little campaign speeches, while his little shitbags run around shrieking "racist" at the 60% of the country who see him for the empty suit and empty words he is. Well, if you want to have a conversation with me, you'll have to accept that your rubber stamp won't do the job instead of assuming what my positions might be. If you simply want to create a lock-step leftist either/or caricature, I can just talk to Sanity.

TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/10/2014 10:43:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I can just talk to Sanity. Whatever end of the pool you are most comfortable with, Muse. I know you get those cognitive dissonance headaches claiming to not know what I'm talking about.

Musicmystery -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/10/2014 10:49:58 PM)
Uh-huh.

TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/10/2014 10:51:01 PM)
http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AP-GfK-July-2014-Poll-Topline-FINAL_FP.pdf Study that, Joether.

joether -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/11/2014 10:39:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AP-GfK-July-2014-Poll-Topline-FINAL_FP.pdf Study that, Joether. All that states is the following: Americans expect the President to simply over-ride Congress, handle all the problems that Congress can not deal with, while not over extending the powers of the President. In other words, turn lead into gold using only alchemy. The GOP/TP have done an amazing job of trying to undermine this nation in every conceivable way, including partially shutting it down. Its not the President's job to fix the immigration in this nation. The people that wish to blame the President for that, are simply showing they are part of 'The Low Information Voter'. That would be Congress's job (which includes Democrats, Republicans and Tea Partiers). While the President's approval rating in in the mid-to-high 40s, where is Congress's approval rating? At one time it was 13%. So if your bitching about the President not getting stuff done, why are not bitching at all of Congress (that includes those conservative/libertarian Republicans and Tea Partiers....not just the Democrats)? They all said immigration and a hundred other issues are....REALLY IMPORTANT...to get done. So why are they on vacation and not in the halls of Congress getting this stuff done? My Representative and senators would be back in Washington tomorrow, if Republican/Tea Partiers wanted to make some serious deals on immigration and those other hundred important issues. So its not the Democrats that are the problem in this and other issues....

cloudboy -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/21/2014 10:45:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic "Failure" is the word Hillary is using to describe Obama's role in the development of the terrorist group currently calling itself the Islamic State. I think if she wants to have a go at winning the White House in '16, she's going to be using that word to describe a lot more of what this administration has done over their time in power. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/?single_page=true Thomas Friedman answers this question HEAD-ON. I failed all his "questions" that might otherwise qualify me to comment, but he has me convinced the US was better staying out of it. Hillary Clinton recently reignited the who-lost-Syria debate when she suggested that President Obama made a mistake in not intervening more forcefully early in the Syrian civil war by arming the pro-democracy rebels. I’ve been skeptical about such an intervention — skeptical that there were enough of these “mainstream insurgents,” skeptical that they could ever defeat President Bashar al-Assad’s army and the Islamists and govern Syria. So if people try to sell you on it, ask them these questions before you decide if you are with Clinton or Obama: For his take read on: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/opinion/thomas-friedman-will-the-ends-will-the-means.html?_r=0

joether -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/21/2014 11:43:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic "Failure" is the word Hillary is using to describe Obama's role in the development of the terrorist group currently calling itself the Islamic State. I think if she wants to have a go at winning the White House in '16, she's going to be using that word to describe a lot more of what this administration has done over their time in power. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/?single_page=true Thomas Friedman answers this question HEAD-ON. I failed all his "questions" that might otherwise qualify me to comment, but he has me convinced the US was better staying out of it. Hillary Clinton recently reignited the who-lost-Syria debate when she suggested that President Obama made a mistake in not intervening more forcefully early in the Syrian civil war by arming the pro-democracy rebels. I’ve been skeptical about such an intervention — skeptical that there were enough of these “mainstream insurgents,” skeptical that they could ever defeat President Bashar al-Assad’s army and the Islamists and govern Syria. So if people try to sell you on it, ask them these questions before you decide if you are with Clinton or Obama: For his take read on: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/opinion/thomas-friedman-will-the-ends-will-the-means.html?_r=0 Its so funny to listen to the ones that are full of shit. The President didn't go into Syria with full force for two reasons: 1 ) The nation is drawing down from two costly warzones, and Americans were not in the mood to push another struggle. Having a tough economy that was getting better, and a host of other problems; kept the nation from really stepping into that area. 2 ) Conservatives were against him doing anything in Libya a year before. Given that conservatives are the biggest 'full of shits' in America, it stands to reason, no matter which direction the president took; conservatives would have been automatically against him. Its best understood in the following example: If Mr. Obama is for Option 'A'; conservatives, Republicans, Tea Partiers and libertarians are for Option 'B'. If Mr. Obama is for Option 'B'; conservatives, Republicans, Tea Partiers and libertarians are for Option 'A'. If Mr. Obama is for a combination of 'A' and 'B'; conservatives, Republicans, Tea Partiers, and libertarians are for Option 'C'. The country has watched as these people try to figure out which position the President will take, and then take the opposite. They are happy to bash him when he makes a fault. But can not congratulate him when he has done a good job. What does that tell the rest of the nation (moderates and liberals)? That those people are full of shit and shouldn't be taken seriously on anything useful or important. Its one thing to have long term values and the President does something else. Its quite another for them to 'decide' they are against the President's view...AFTER...the President makes his views public. Since much of the Affordable Care Act came directly from Republican ideas not more than a few years previously. If conservatives/libertarians were so hellishly against the ACA, why were they not hellishly against those very ideas they once supported a few years ago? What if former President George W. Bush had not invaded Iraq? But instead let the sanctions which were already quickly evaporating Saddam's power on a daily basis, continue in place? We could have focus our attention solely on one enemy. And George W. Bush would have been the hero. McCain would have won in 2008 and have two terms. But history shows what happens when you get greedy and foolish.

mnottertail -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/21/2014 11:47:38 AM)
Well, essentially (cuz it wasn't that long ago) he was thinking heavily about going in and the 'conservatives' (which they are absolutely not) raised up their fat asses and loud mouths saying, not until you get an ok from us........at which point he went sorta public and said what do you think, and they were all agin it. But it is not uncommon for them to be agin it before they are for it, as the case is here.

cloudboy -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/21/2014 5:10:14 PM)
Here you go: [image]local://upfiles/210115/F2183318481B40819E8B4628CA4F8442.jpg[/image]

TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/21/2014 8:40:59 PM)
Really, Joether? You want to wake the thread up with ISIS taking the top of the Google news feed away from Ferguson so you can insist that President Obama is so bad at his job that it's all still Bush? 5 1/2 years, dude. The OP is about internal Democrat politics. There will be plenty of time to get into the why's of Obama taking us into Iraq War III.

cloudboy -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/22/2014 6:56:14 AM)
Didn't even read the article. Classic. Some of us don't live in a ahistorical world.

joether -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/23/2014 1:48:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Really, Joether? You want to wake the thread up with ISIS taking the top of the Google news feed away from Ferguson so you can insist that President Obama is so bad at his job that it's all still Bush? 5 1/2 years, dude. The OP is about internal Democrat politics. There will be plenty of time to get into the why's of Obama taking us into Iraq War III. Ok Heretic.....try to keep up.... Who created the circumstances that created the ISIS? That would be former President George W. Bush. The ISIS has among its many persons, many former high ranking officers from Saddam's military. The sort of guys that know the full defensive capabilities of the country. Where the strong and weak points in Iraq are located. And they seem to be able to acquire the resources and knowledge to handle a wide range of problems. Thanks to that Iraq war, they have many former United States military equipment in their possession. Which President 'gave' them that stuff? While your thinking on that, where did Al Qaeda get all its equipment and training from? Your so quick to blame anything and everything on President Obama and give a blank check to the Republican/Tea Party.....

Sanity -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/23/2014 6:25:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Here you go: [image]local://upfiles/210115/F2183318481B40819E8B4628CA4F8442.jpg[/image] Leftists don't give a fuck who he bombs, because he is a Democrat.

Sanity -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/23/2014 6:29:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Really, Joether? You want to wake the thread up with ISIS taking the top of the Google news feed away from Ferguson so you can insist that President Obama is so bad at his job that it's all still Bush? 5 1/2 years, dude. The OP is about internal Democrat politics. There will be plenty of time to get into the why's of Obama taking us into Iraq War III. Ok Heretic.....try to keep up.... Who created the circumstances that created the ISIS? That would be former President George W. Bush. The ISIS has among its many persons, many former high ranking officers from Saddam's military. The sort of guys that know the full defensive capabilities of the country. Where the strong and weak points in Iraq are located. And they seem to be able to acquire the resources and knowledge to handle a wide range of problems. Thanks to that Iraq war, they have many former United States military equipment in their possession. Which President 'gave' them that stuff? While your thinking on that, where did Al Qaeda get all its equipment and training from? Your so quick to blame anything and everything on President Obama and give a blank check to the Republican/Tea Party..... Bush left a stable Iraq that Barack and his old buddy Joe were quite proud to take the credit for Despite the propaganda, Bush hasn't been running things for the last six years Barack Flashback: 'We're Leaving Behind a Sovereign, Stable and Self-Reliant Iraq' http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/14/remarks-president-and-first-lady-end-war-iraq Joe Biden: quote: “I am very optimistic about Iraq. I think it’s gonna be one of the great achievements of this administration. You’re gonna see 90,000 American troops come marchin’ home by the end of the summer. You’re gonna see a stable government in Iraq that is actually movin’ toward a representative government. I’ve been there 17 times now. I go about every two months, three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It’s impressed me. I’ve been impressed, how they have been deciding to use the political process, rather than guns, to settle their differences.” Then Joe rode off on a unicorn down a road made of rainbows. http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/12/watch-joe-biden-call-iraq-one-of-the-great-achievements-of-this-administration/

Sanity -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/23/2014 6:39:51 AM)
Barack could have done a lot more to stop ISIS early on, but he was literally too ignorant to even consider it quote: Unlike 'Mission Accomplished,' Press Barely Mentions Obama's 'JV Team' Ridicule of ISIS Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2014/08/22/unlike-mission-accomplished-press-barely-mentions-obamas-jv-team-ridicul#ixzz3BDpck03i

mnottertail -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/23/2014 7:12:00 AM)
At the core of Obama’s thinking is that American military involvement cannot be the primary instrument to achieve the new equilibrium that the region so desperately needs. And yet thoughts of a pacific equilibrium are far from anyone’s mind in the real, existing Middle East. In the 2012 campaign, Obama spoke not only of killing Osama bin Laden; he also said that Al Qaeda had been “decimated.” I pointed out that the flag of Al Qaeda is now flying in Falluja, in Iraq, and among various rebel factions in Syria; Al Qaeda has asserted a presence in parts of Africa, too. “The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” Obama said, resorting to an uncharacteristically flip analogy. “I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian. So, now we see the lies, he said nothing of ISIS. And of course you premise your asswipe on lies, and have a grand pronouncement, with no facts, no realities. What might he have done to prevent ISIS one of the multitude of factional terrorist organizations in the area? People who were actually grounded in the area with knowledge and fact said at the outset this sort of thing is inevitable when the foolish nutsackers who helped W commit this treason in the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses. Look at that, there were no terrorist cells in Iraq, and Saddam kept them out. Now we have the split into three areas, which we said at the outset would happen after W et al fucked it up and continued to do so. The Kurds have increased their holdings by 40% in that country, and again, ISIS or ISIL or whatever you want to call it, is of no real concern to us, they are bent on establishing an Iran in Iraq. What is that to us? We said at the outset this would happen. We will end up in a Nato beef with Turkey over the strengthening we have to do with the Kurds who want their own land.......as they had before WWI, and that will be our biggest problem for us. But we have to support the Kurds, because we sure can't support the ineffective Iraquis that we have slaughtered and deconstructed. And Bush left a stable Iraq? When he left those people gave him his shoes they were so on their feet, hah?

TheHeretic -> RE: Hillary, Obama, and the "F" word (8/23/2014 8:22:13 AM)
It's a shame you aren't an honest person, Ron, because you and I had exactly this conversation once - the need to make damn sure we got the exit right, lest we wind up having to turn around and go back in to Iraq. You were full of shit then, too.

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