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AQRMZ -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 12:06:37 PM)
TWW I completely agree with you on this, Cops are a target and usually the good ones get hit, I have seen that happen and it really sucks while the real a-holes go on to retire. I have had a few instances of seeing both kinds while as security and more than a decade as a first responder, years as a dispatcher, and you really can believe I have not seen it all but, I have seen a bunch of it. Berkeley, in the 60's was an interesting experience. A few years in AR. and some in TX. too. We were told repeatedly in training, that "this ain't TV or a Movie". This is REAL!! Took some of us a bit to get that straight but after a while a fella catches on. Shit can happen anywhere and usually does. You only get one shot with a Taser, and the range is limited and the target needs to be sober/not drugged, Cameras are expensive, you would not believe the prices that they have to pay for them. AND REMEMBER THIS AIN'T A MOVIE OR TV. When a guy threatens you, you react. A cop is not getting paid to have a "cage fight". Probably in this case, from what we have gleaned from all the bs put out on this issue, the guy was a big bully, in the street to intimidate and maybe start something with a car and driver. Maybe act like he did when he attacked the small store clerk. We will never know probably. But, with almost 300# dude coming towards me lookin for a tussel, you can believe I am not gonna pussyfoot around. I would not expect a cop to do so either. And neither should you. His buddy has changed his story several times. Experience tells us that really "good" witnesses usually see an event differently. It is doubtful if any stories we have gotten are from "good" witnesses. So the cop says something, the guy does what he does like in the store, the "in the car" stuff may be the guy hitting the cop. The shots may be all off center mass because the cop's eyesight is impaired from the attack. Who knows at this point? It could have happened this way. If you wish to refute this, ok, do you have first hand experience? Have you carried a gun in a situation like this. I have. And it ain't as simple as folks are makin' it. As to "non-lethal", unless you have actual experience with them, I would suggest that you ease off a bit. They are not always as reliable as you think. Shit happens, and shit happens really fast. First and last thing our cops are told is to "get home safe". If they do then they can respond to your distress call when you need them, whether you are black, white, Asian, Hispanic or whatever. Our guys do that and do it well. Our guys are carefully selected and well trained and a small "diverse" group. OK I did not mean to take sides, upset anyone or otherwise cause distress to M3. So, I am ready now, start pissin all over this one. BOTTOM LINE: If you ain't walked a mile in his shoes, then back off a bit till all the facts are in, and count on it. They will be in...

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 12:07:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They have military gear but no personal cameras....I am sure they have tasers. I know they had personal cameras, not distributed, which seems rather lame. It aint much to clip them on like their little ties and flip the switch on. Dont know what that holdup was. Would have been all over at the outset. So, the Sheriff or Chief got his own issue. I was really watching the video for the Powell shooting, out of the dozen or so police, I saw two tasers. The two who had them, they were clear as day, none of the others did, and that included the two who arrived first. I couldn't get a clear enough look at rank, but both of the officers with tasers arrived later. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were both Sergeants. And tasers don't always work, a bean-bag to the chest damn near always does! Can't breath, can't fight. (That would be police procedure care of The Karate Kid II)

DomKen -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 12:20:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen You want to cry. That is too fucking bad. I tried polite. Go back and look. I may have attacked your ideas, which truly are poorly thought out and parochial, but never you until you attacked me. I'm truly sorry that this concept is too hard for you to understand. Grow up or at least calm down. Getting upset over an internet thread is pretty fucking pointless. You're the only one crying Ken. You still don't get it, I'm not upset. I'm having fun watching you dance. When that loses it's appeal, I'll stop bothering. Till then, dance little bitch. And you're still avoiding that other shooting I keep asking you about. But that's ok, everyone here saw you call it justified. Unarmed suspect. Sitting in his car. Not fleeing, and even if he was no felony involved. Cop "thought he was reaching", and shot him dead. But the DA wouldn't indict, so you said it was a good shooting. Funny, every other time a DA won't indict, it's a cover-up. Only difference this time, black cop, white suspect. But you're not biased, nah, not you. No you fucking moron, I already dealt with that and you ignored it. why should I keep going over the same ground. The prosecutor and an arbitrator both found it to be a legit self defense despite the bullshit claims of crazy ass right ring sites trying to make it into a racist thing. So after some checking I'm sure there is more to it than those sites are claiming. Because in this case the Texas cops want the black cop prosecuted but the DA won't indict so he must have a damn good defense and the arbitrator told the police to reinstate him with back pay so it must be more than air tight. But all you see is the crazy racist right wing nut job sites you read.

DomKen -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 12:30:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They have military gear but no personal cameras....I am sure they have tasers. I know they had personal cameras, not distributed, which seems rather lame. It aint much to clip them on like their little ties and flip the switch on. Dont know what that holdup was. Would have been all over at the outset. So, the Sheriff or Chief got his own issue. I was really watching the video for the Powell shooting, out of the dozen or so police, I saw two tasers. The two who had them, they were clear as day, none of the others did, and that included the two who arrived first. I couldn't get a clear enough look at rank, but both of the officers with tasers arrived later. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were both Sergeants. And tasers don't always work, a bean-bag to the chest damn near always does! Can't breath, can't fight. (That would be police procedure care of The Karate Kid II) All the less lethal weapons work its' just how often do they actually still kill. I know that last year there was a bean bag fatality in the Chicago area. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-28/news/chi-autopsy-bean-bag-rounds-fired-by-police-killed-park-forest-man-95-20130728_1_park-forest-man-metal-cane-bean-bag-rounds

Gauge -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 12:51:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen That is not a direct quote and I can pretty much guarantee that no pathologist said gunpowder residue wouldn't be deposited at 1 foot. Find the actual quote and then maybe you'll have something. I'll do you one better. Here is the complete press conference. If you want to skip to the quote start around 21 minutes in. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/watch-michael-browns-family-hold-press-conference/

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 1:37:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They have military gear but no personal cameras....I am sure they have tasers. I know they had personal cameras, not distributed, which seems rather lame. It aint much to clip them on like their little ties and flip the switch on. Dont know what that holdup was. Would have been all over at the outset. So, the Sheriff or Chief got his own issue. I was really watching the video for the Powell shooting, out of the dozen or so police, I saw two tasers. The two who had them, they were clear as day, none of the others did, and that included the two who arrived first. I couldn't get a clear enough look at rank, but both of the officers with tasers arrived later. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were both Sergeants. And tasers don't always work, a bean-bag to the chest damn near always does! Can't breath, can't fight. (That would be police procedure care of The Karate Kid II) All the less lethal weapons work its' just how often do they actually still kill. I know that last year there was a bean bag fatality in the Chicago area. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-28/news/chi-autopsy-bean-bag-rounds-fired-by-police-killed-park-forest-man-95-20130728_1_park-forest-man-metal-cane-bean-bag-rounds Well sure, something like a bean bag can still kill, no argument there at all. It's kind of like getting hit with a major-league fast-ball, it can break bones, crack ribs, etc. But until someone can come up with something that's guaranteed non-lethal that works consistently, it's less-than-lethal or a bullet. As long as police depts. keep getting sued by the relatives of someone they tried to avoid killing by using less-than-lethal means, then they have very little incentive to not just use bullets. (Also just my opinion) Pepper spray works ok, but it isn't instant, doesn't stop everyone, and can kill in rare cases. Tasers work more often, but can still kill. Bean-bags are probably the most effective at stopping someone in their tracks, but they're more likely to kill then either of the other two. I don't know if anyone's done a study on how often bean-bag rounds kill, but I'd say it's likely that Brown and Powell would probably both still be alive (maybe laying in the hospital with broken ribs, but alive) if the officers had used them. (That is just an opinion, I don't know for sure one way or the other.)

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 1:44:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They have military gear but no personal cameras....I am sure they have tasers. I know they had personal cameras, not distributed, which seems rather lame. It aint much to clip them on like their little ties and flip the switch on. Dont know what that holdup was. Would have been all over at the outset. So, the Sheriff or Chief got his own issue. I was really watching the video for the Powell shooting, out of the dozen or so police, I saw two tasers. The two who had them, they were clear as day, none of the others did, and that included the two who arrived first. I couldn't get a clear enough look at rank, but both of the officers with tasers arrived later. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were both Sergeants. And tasers don't always work, a bean-bag to the chest damn near always does! Can't breath, can't fight. (That would be police procedure care of The Karate Kid II) All the less lethal weapons work its' just how often do they actually still kill. I know that last year there was a bean bag fatality in the Chicago area. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-28/news/chi-autopsy-bean-bag-rounds-fired-by-police-killed-park-forest-man-95-20130728_1_park-forest-man-metal-cane-bean-bag-rounds Well sure, something like a bean bag can still kill, no argument there at all. It's kind of like getting hit with a major-league fast-ball, it can break bones, crack ribs, etc. But until someone can come up with something that's guaranteed non-lethal that works consistently, it's less-than-lethal or a bullet. As long as police depts. keep getting sued by the relatives of someone they tried to avoid killing by using less-than-lethal means, then they have very little incentive to not just use bullets. (Also just my opinion) Pepper spray works ok, but it isn't instant, doesn't stop everyone, and can kill in rare cases. Tasers work more often, but can still kill. Bean-bags are probably the most effective at stopping someone in their tracks, but they're more likely to kill then either of the other two. I don't know if anyone's done a study on how often bean-bag rounds kill, but I'd say it's likely that Brown and Powell would probably both still be alive (maybe laying in the hospital with broken ribs, but alive) if the officers had used them. (That is just an opinion, I don't know for sure one way or the other.) A logistic problem with bean bags is that they have too much mass to use in a handgun, or for that matter a rifle, so officers would have to carry a shotgun with them all the time. Other than that I agree they are more dependable than other non lethal weapons.

Gauge -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 1:45:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted As long as police depts. keep getting sued by the relatives of someone they tried to avoid killing by using less-than-lethal means, then they have very little incentive to not just use bullets. (Also just my opinion) I have the solution. The police can ask politely for people to stop. If that doesn't work, they can say pretty please with a cherry on top.

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 1:49:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They have military gear but no personal cameras....I am sure they have tasers. I know they had personal cameras, not distributed, which seems rather lame. It aint much to clip them on like their little ties and flip the switch on. Dont know what that holdup was. Would have been all over at the outset. So, the Sheriff or Chief got his own issue. I was really watching the video for the Powell shooting, out of the dozen or so police, I saw two tasers. The two who had them, they were clear as day, none of the others did, and that included the two who arrived first. I couldn't get a clear enough look at rank, but both of the officers with tasers arrived later. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were both Sergeants. And tasers don't always work, a bean-bag to the chest damn near always does! Can't breath, can't fight. (That would be police procedure care of The Karate Kid II) All the less lethal weapons work its' just how often do they actually still kill. I know that last year there was a bean bag fatality in the Chicago area. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-28/news/chi-autopsy-bean-bag-rounds-fired-by-police-killed-park-forest-man-95-20130728_1_park-forest-man-metal-cane-bean-bag-rounds Well sure, something like a bean bag can still kill, no argument there at all. It's kind of like getting hit with a major-league fast-ball, it can break bones, crack ribs, etc. But until someone can come up with something that's guaranteed non-lethal that works consistently, it's less-than-lethal or a bullet. As long as police depts. keep getting sued by the relatives of someone they tried to avoid killing by using less-than-lethal means, then they have very little incentive to not just use bullets. (Also just my opinion) Pepper spray works ok, but it isn't instant, doesn't stop everyone, and can kill in rare cases. Tasers work more often, but can still kill. Bean-bags are probably the most effective at stopping someone in their tracks, but they're more likely to kill then either of the other two. I don't know if anyone's done a study on how often bean-bag rounds kill, but I'd say it's likely that Brown and Powell would probably both still be alive (maybe laying in the hospital with broken ribs, but alive) if the officers had used them. (That is just an opinion, I don't know for sure one way or the other.) If you are going to use bean bags you might want to consider #8 shot, also known as trap loads. Small enough bbs that it is highly unlikely to be lethal, unless they are charging right at you. Of course you still have to carry a shotgun all the time. Not really advocating these just something to think about.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 1:54:52 PM)
~FRing it~ This brings a good point of discussion. People (not necessarily here) were screaming because less-than-lethal options were not utilized in a lot of deadly force shootings. Yet taser use and bean bag rounds have caused deaths as well. So what are police officers honestly supposed to do if they face situations where weapons of any sort have to be utilized? To me, it kind of seems like "damned if you do, damned if you don't" because even things that are designed to be less lethal options have proven to be lethal in some cases. Do police try to reason with people who may not be reasonable and pose a threat to the officer or other citizens? Just let the subject kick the shit out of them and hope it doesn't injure them too badly or kill them? Not do their job by just walking away from someone who is that highly escalated? Are you as taxpayers willing to foot the bill as far as higher salaries for police officers to let themselves become human punching bags? Are you willing to live in a world with inadequate police protection because who in their right mind would sign on for low pay AND being a human punching bag? I'm asking this not to be a smartass, but rather because Im genuinely interested in hearing the thoughts of those who are on both sides. Look, Ill be the first to admit that there are some scumbag cops out there who do some seriously fucked up shit. Those guys who killed that homeless guy in California come to mind. The officers from the Rodney King beating come to mind as well. But not every cop who takes some person's life in the line of duty is a murderous asshole either.

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 1:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity ~FRing it~ This brings a good point of discussion. People (not necessarily here) were screaming because less-than-lethal options were not utilized in a lot of deadly force shootings. Yet taser use and bean bag rounds have caused deaths as well. So what are police officers honestly supposed to do if they face situations where weapons of any sort have to be utilized? To me, it kind of seems like "damned if you do, damned if you don't" because even things that are designed to be less lethal options have proven to be lethal in some cases. Do police try to reason with people who may not be reasonable and pose a threat to the officer or other citizens? Just let the subject kick the shit out of them and hope it doesn't injure them too badly or kill them? Not do their job by just walking away from someone who is that highly escalated? Are you as taxpayers willing to foot the bill as far as higher salaries for police officers to let themselves become human punching bags? Are you willing to live in a world with inadequate police protection because who in their right mind would sign on for low pay AND being a human punching bag? I'm asking this not to be a smartass, but rather because Im genuinely interested in hearing the thoughts of those who are on both sides Everything in your second paragraph had been suggested in this thread by people being completely serious.

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 2:07:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They have military gear but no personal cameras....I am sure they have tasers. I know they had personal cameras, not distributed, which seems rather lame. It aint much to clip them on like their little ties and flip the switch on. Dont know what that holdup was. Would have been all over at the outset. So, the Sheriff or Chief got his own issue. I was really watching the video for the Powell shooting, out of the dozen or so police, I saw two tasers. The two who had them, they were clear as day, none of the others did, and that included the two who arrived first. I couldn't get a clear enough look at rank, but both of the officers with tasers arrived later. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were both Sergeants. And tasers don't always work, a bean-bag to the chest damn near always does! Can't breath, can't fight. (That would be police procedure care of The Karate Kid II) All the less lethal weapons work its' just how often do they actually still kill. I know that last year there was a bean bag fatality in the Chicago area. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-28/news/chi-autopsy-bean-bag-rounds-fired-by-police-killed-park-forest-man-95-20130728_1_park-forest-man-metal-cane-bean-bag-rounds Well sure, something like a bean bag can still kill, no argument there at all. It's kind of like getting hit with a major-league fast-ball, it can break bones, crack ribs, etc. But until someone can come up with something that's guaranteed non-lethal that works consistently, it's less-than-lethal or a bullet. As long as police depts. keep getting sued by the relatives of someone they tried to avoid killing by using less-than-lethal means, then they have very little incentive to not just use bullets. (Also just my opinion) Pepper spray works ok, but it isn't instant, doesn't stop everyone, and can kill in rare cases. Tasers work more often, but can still kill. Bean-bags are probably the most effective at stopping someone in their tracks, but they're more likely to kill then either of the other two. I don't know if anyone's done a study on how often bean-bag rounds kill, but I'd say it's likely that Brown and Powell would probably both still be alive (maybe laying in the hospital with broken ribs, but alive) if the officers had used them. (That is just an opinion, I don't know for sure one way or the other.) A logistic problem with bean bags is that they have too much mass to use in a handgun, or for that matter a rifle, so officers would have to carry a shotgun with them all the time. Other than that I agree they are more dependable than other non lethal weapons. Hmmm, I was thinking about in cars, but you're right if they suddenly needed it and it was left behind, they're screwed. I wonder if it's possible to make one that could be used in something like a flare gun? Small enough to wear on a belt, not too heavy with a few extra rounds. The bean-bags might have to be redesigned to act like low powered cartridges, like in a 40mm grenade casing. Hard to say.

Gauge -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 2:20:12 PM)
This is a fast reply. Anything that is powerful enough to stop another human being in their tracks is likely to have the power to kill them. I doubt that there will ever be something, in my lifetime anyway, that will be able to stop someone cold without killing them or causing serious injury.

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 2:20:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They have military gear but no personal cameras....I am sure they have tasers. I know they had personal cameras, not distributed, which seems rather lame. It aint much to clip them on like their little ties and flip the switch on. Dont know what that holdup was. Would have been all over at the outset. So, the Sheriff or Chief got his own issue. I was really watching the video for the Powell shooting, out of the dozen or so police, I saw two tasers. The two who had them, they were clear as day, none of the others did, and that included the two who arrived first. I couldn't get a clear enough look at rank, but both of the officers with tasers arrived later. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they were both Sergeants. And tasers don't always work, a bean-bag to the chest damn near always does! Can't breath, can't fight. (That would be police procedure care of The Karate Kid II) All the less lethal weapons work its' just how often do they actually still kill. I know that last year there was a bean bag fatality in the Chicago area. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-28/news/chi-autopsy-bean-bag-rounds-fired-by-police-killed-park-forest-man-95-20130728_1_park-forest-man-metal-cane-bean-bag-rounds Well sure, something like a bean bag can still kill, no argument there at all. It's kind of like getting hit with a major-league fast-ball, it can break bones, crack ribs, etc. But until someone can come up with something that's guaranteed non-lethal that works consistently, it's less-than-lethal or a bullet. As long as police depts. keep getting sued by the relatives of someone they tried to avoid killing by using less-than-lethal means, then they have very little incentive to not just use bullets. (Also just my opinion) Pepper spray works ok, but it isn't instant, doesn't stop everyone, and can kill in rare cases. Tasers work more often, but can still kill. Bean-bags are probably the most effective at stopping someone in their tracks, but they're more likely to kill then either of the other two. I don't know if anyone's done a study on how often bean-bag rounds kill, but I'd say it's likely that Brown and Powell would probably both still be alive (maybe laying in the hospital with broken ribs, but alive) if the officers had used them. (That is just an opinion, I don't know for sure one way or the other.) A logistic problem with bean bags is that they have too much mass to use in a handgun, or for that matter a rifle, so officers would have to carry a shotgun with them all the time. Other than that I agree they are more dependable than other non lethal weapons. Hmmm, I was thinking about in cars, but you're right if they suddenly needed it and it was left behind, they're screwed. I wonder if it's possible to make one that could be used in something like a flare gun? Small enough to wear on a belt, not too heavy with a few extra rounds. The bean-bags might have to be redesigned to act like low powered cartridges, like in a 40mm grenade casing. Hard to say. In the 80's Ithica (sp) made a three round, 13 inch 12 ga pump handgun. That would cover it.

kdsub -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 3:34:49 PM)
quote: WTF? Did you even look at the stats? Whites were caught breaking the law far more often in Ferguson despite blacks being pulled over far more often. Yes and you don't read what I say... Let me say it again... Blacks commit more crime... they SHOULD be pulled over more in suspicious situations... if they are not the police are not doing their jobs... If in an area where whites commit more crime... they should be pulled over more. What you failed to read and understand... it the pull overs in Ferguson are LOWER than the state average and LOWER then the US average. Searches is what you are talking about where whites buying drugs from pushers are more likely to have contraband when searched than blacks when searched. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 3:43:41 PM)
Ken you have been using the mothers hired pathologist... what about THIS. It turns out he is not even a forensic pathologist. Now the results may be valid because of the other pathologists... but it is creepy that a shyster was allowed to touch the body. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 3:54:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gauge This is a fast reply. Anything that is powerful enough to stop another human being in their tracks is likely to have the power to kill them. I doubt that there will ever be something, in my lifetime anyway, that will be able to stop someone cold without killing them or causing serious injury. The fallacy that most people buy into is that not all force is lethal, you are correct any application of force can end in death. Before a certain segment goes bananas some force is more likely to be lethal than others.

DomKen -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 4:43:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Ken you have been using the mothers hired pathologist... what about THIS. It turns out he is not even a forensic pathologist. Now the results may be valid because of the other pathologists... but it is creepy that a shyster was allowed to touch the body. Butch No one is doubting Dr.. Baden. There are always going to be guys hanging around a case like this trying to make a quick buck. If you expect perfection from a suburban lawyer who likely has never dealt with setting up a death investigation then you are going to be disappointed.

DomKen -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 4:46:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: WTF? Did you even look at the stats? Whites were caught breaking the law far more often in Ferguson despite blacks being pulled over far more often. Yes and you don't read what I say... Let me say it again... Blacks commit more crime... they SHOULD be pulled over more in suspicious situations... if they are not the police are not doing their jobs... If in an area where whites commit more crime... they should be pulled over more. What you failed to read and understand... it the pull overs in Ferguson are LOWER than the state average and LOWER then the US average. Searches is what you are talking about where whites buying drugs from pushers are more likely to have contraband when searched than blacks when searched. Butch You need to look at those numbers again. Here is a report that details the travesty that is the Ferguson PD. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwptqn3mhq9xvy7/ArchCity%20Defenders%20Municipal%20Courts%20Whitepaper.pdf

AQRMZ -> RE: Rioting is the answer (8/21/2014 4:51:31 PM)
More food for thought. or something to get pissie about. http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/black-cop-kills-white-man-media-hide-race/ Black cop kills white man, media hide race --------------------------------- What do you think of the media? Well..... I watched the national news tonight and the interview with Brown's mom and dad. Wow the BS, they showed the sweet boy picture, they had never seen the theft and assault video. Just more and more of the same old bs... We have learned more on here than you would watching and reading the media. Just saw this one, supposedly Ch 2 @ 5pm reported that Brown was inside police car and that is where shot in hand happened. http://fox2now.com/category/news/ I can't find it to look at and no powder residue and raises questions again about the media reporting. Ok start the pissin on this one.

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